Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 02/06/15


Total Messages Posted: 22



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:29 AM - Re: Re: Hot Mag Fatality. (danhelsper@aol.com)
     2. 12:40 PM - Any Piets/Builders in the Charlotte area? (dfwplt)
     3. 01:02 PM - Cub Fuel Tank from project (tkreiner)
     4. 01:14 PM - Air Camper vs SLSA (taildrags)
     5. 01:23 PM - Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (AircamperN11MS)
     6. 01:24 PM - Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
     7. 01:27 PM - Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Charlotte area? (Charles N. Campbell)
     8. 01:54 PM - Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (AircamperN11MS)
     9. 01:55 PM - Re: Cub Fuel Tank from project (Ben Charvet)
    10. 03:03 PM - Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (taildrags)
    11. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
    12. 05:28 PM - Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (wheelharp)
    13. 05:29 PM - Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (wheelharp)
    14. 05:32 PM - Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (taildrags)
    15. 06:07 PM - Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Charlotte area? (Jack)
    16. 06:59 PM - Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (Ray Krause)
    17. 07:07 PM - Re: Cub Fuel Tank from project (Ray Krause)
    18. 07:54 PM - Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (wheelharp)
    19. 08:03 PM - Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (wheelharp)
    20. 09:17 PM - Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Charlotte area? (William Wynne)
    21. 09:45 PM - Ray Krause (Gary Boothe)
    22. 10:17 PM - Re: Air Camper vs SLSA (William Wynne)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:29:46 AM PST US
    From: danhelsper@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Hot Mag Fatality.
    I will chime in with another educational story. It was Brodhead 2013 I think. It had been a long day of giving one ride after another. I had taken a lunch break, and the Model A had turned cold. So I climbed back in with the next passenger in line. One of the older members (and very experienced) of our group volunteered to prop me. So I said what I always do in this situation, "Turn the prop through four blades with the mags off". So he dutifully does just what I asked, then I, without further thought, turned the mag switch to "on", anticipating he would pause before touching the prop once again....WRONG! We were both very surprised when he grabs the prop again without missing a beat and the A predictably fires off! I assure you he was startled by the look in his eyes, and I shuddered when I thought what might have happened to a man who's aging reflexes might not have allowed his body to get out of the way. That bullet was dodged....and a lesson learned. Dan Helsper Loensloe Airfield Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> Sent: Thu, Feb 5, 2015 3:03 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hot Mag Fatality. Marcus, I never turn my engine backwards. I used to do that but have found a better way of clearing a flooded Cont. engine. To answer your question. Once the coil in the Magneto is charged it can fire and hurt you if the mags are not grounded. When the points break then you will get a spark to the plugs no mater which direction you turn the engine. By turning the engine backwards you are also pushing all the oil from the oil pump back into the oil tank. I need to run to a meeting right now. More later if you want. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438093#438093


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    Time: 12:40:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Any Piets/Builders in the Charlotte area?
    From: "dfwplt" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    I'll have trips in the next couple weeks to Anderson, SC and Newton, NC and wonder if there are any Piet People in the area? Flying into/out of Charlotte. Jim in Pryor Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438120#438120


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    Time: 01:02:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Cub Fuel Tank from project
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    A SE TX project plane is available, and for the right $$$, I might be interested in getting it. Project has ribs, two sets of spars, steel tube fuse, and a box full of extra tubing, etc. The tank is a new, unused J3 Cub tank, and it still has stickers on it... So, the question is: is anyone using a J3 Cub fuel tank in their Piet? If so, please let me know your experience, i.e., not enough fuel, just right, etc., also, let me know whether it's a drop in, or requires a lot of work to use. Since I have a fuse, the steel tube fuse might become available. Thanks, -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438121#438121


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    Time: 01:14:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Air Camper vs SLSA
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    So I was catching up on my stack of reading on a recent commercial flight and I get to a page in Flying magazine where they are showing a very special deal... a Quicksilver Sport 2SE, only $39,999. It's a 2-place, open cockpit, double-surface wing, strut braced. 65HP, 1000 lb. max takeoff weight, cruises at a max of about 60 MPH. Sounds a lot like an Air Camper, right? Considering that I'm going to be offering my Air Camper for sale for something a little south of $10k, this means I could possibly find four Air Campers for the price of one new SLSA, and I could fly a different airplane every other day of the week if I wanted to. There is something in my mind that cannot understand this, but I'm hoping it's only because I'm in early- to mid-geezerhood and this is normal for us. Oh, and also- a simple "glass panel" instrument for an LSA, plus an ADS-B gadget, seem to add up to the same cost as my Air Camper. It's a good thing I'm headed for senility... that's probably the only way any of this will make sense. I'm glad it's Friday. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438123#438123


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    Time: 01:23:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Oscar, Have you been swimming around inside my head??????? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438124#438124


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    Time: 01:24:24 PM PST US
    From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    Its easy. Why would you drive a Bentley for upwards of $300,000 when you could drive a dozen Chevrolets or Fords or whatever for that price? Don't you hold your pinkies out when you fly? dennis -----Original Message----- From: taildrags Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper vs SLSA So I was catching up on my stack of reading on a recent commercial flight and I get to a page in Flying magazine where they are showing a very special deal... a Quicksilver Sport 2SE, only $39,999. It's a 2-place, open cockpit, double-surface wing, strut braced. 65HP, 1000 lb. max takeoff weight, cruises at a max of about 60 MPH. Sounds a lot like an Air Camper, right? Considering that I'm going to be offering my Air Camper for sale for something a little south of $10k, this means I could possibly find four Air Campers for the price of one new SLSA, and I could fly a different airplane every other day of the week if I wanted to. There is something in my mind that cannot understand this, but I'm hoping it's only because I'm in early- to mid-geezerhood and this is normal for us. Oh, and also- a simple "glass panel" instrument for an LSA, plus an ADS-B gadget, seem to add up to the same cost as my Air Camper. It's a good thing I'm headed for senility... that's probably the only way any of this will make sense. I'm glad it's Friday. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438123#438123 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com


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    Time: 01:27:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Charlotte area?
    From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gmail.com>
    Jim, I live in Salisbury, NC which is about 40 miles from Charlotte up Interstate 85. I have a Piet about done except for welding up the landing gear and engine mount. After that I'll get an IA to look at it and then comes the covering. Would love to meet you. Chuck On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:40 PM, dfwplt <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote: > > I'll have trips in the next couple weeks to Anderson, SC and Newton, NC > and wonder if there are any Piet People in the area? Flying into/out of > Charlotte. > > Jim in Pryor > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438120#438120 > >


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    Time: 01:54:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Wow, The Quicksilver does everything a Piet does, but only slower. Did you notice that the TBO on the engine is only 300 hours????? The stall speed is 38 MPH, I think most Piets stall a lot slower than that. Oscar, Please burn that rag of an article so nobody else can read it. Geesh, Some people will buy most anything. I hope I have not offended anyone on this list that may have one. It is Friday and the list is always slow on Fridays. I think Fridays should be our "we can say what we want day without offending". All in fun folks. Cheers all, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438130#438130


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    Time: 01:55:35 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Cub Fuel Tank from project
    I'm using a J3 tank. It was an easy fit amd 12 gallons is more than i need Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2015, at 4:02 PM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote: > > > A SE TX project plane is available, and for the right $$$, I might be interested in getting it. Project has ribs, two sets of spars, steel tube fuse, and a box full of extra tubing, etc. The tank is a new, unused J3 Cub tank, and it still has stickers on it... > > So, the question is: is anyone using a J3 Cub fuel tank in their Piet? If so, please let me know your experience, i.e., not enough fuel, just right, etc., also, let me know whether it's a drop in, or requires a lot of work to use. > > Since I have a fuse, the steel tube fuse might become available. > > Thanks, > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438121#438121 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:03:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Dennis; I do not hold my pinkies out when I fly. I have found that it adds drag and slows the airplane when I do that. I am not out to bad-mouth anyone else's favorite airplane; not at all. The point I wanted to make is that the Pietenpol Air Camper has a fantastic cost-to-benefit ratio. My other point was that neither a glass panel nor ADS-B gadget does anything to make me a better pilot or the airplane a better performer, but they certainly cost plenty of money. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438136#438136


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    Time: 04:37:12 PM PST US
    From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    I understood, I was trying to be tongue in cheek but you know how the interweb is, you can't show humor. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: taildrags Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 5:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA Dennis; I do not hold my pinkies out when I fly. I have found that it adds drag and slows the airplane when I do that. I am not out to bad-mouth anyone else's favorite airplane; not at all. The point I wanted to make is that the Pietenpol Air Camper has a fantastic cost-to-benefit ratio. My other point was that neither a glass panel nor ADS-B gadget does anything to make me a better pilot or the airplane a better performer, but they certainly cost plenty of money. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438136#438136 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com


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    Time: 05:28:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp@gmail.com>
    Oscar, You are going to put NX41CC up for sale? -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438141#438141


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    Time: 05:29:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp@gmail.com>
    Oscar, You are going to put NX41CC up for sale? -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438142#438142


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    Time: 05:32:27 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Yes, Scout will be up for sale this spring. I'm not even bothering with it right now, since it's still cold and rainy up here in the PacNW, but come springtime it's going to be available. I have two other projects waiting for me in the hangar and I'll never work on them if I have an airplane to fly. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438143#438143


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    Time: 06:07:28 PM PST US
    From: Jack <fastnaught@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Charlotte area?
    Jim, I'm in Gilbert, SC. That's about an hour away. It's just west of Columbia. You're welcome anytime if you like. My airplane is finished and waiting for the DAR on the 14th. Jack Sent from my iPad > On Feb 6, 2015, at 3:40 PM, dfwplt <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > I'll have trips in the next couple weeks to Anderson, SC and Newton, NC and wonder if there are any Piet People in the area? Flying into/out of Charlotte. > > Jim in Pryor > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438120#438120 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:59:09 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    Oscar, I could just buy your plane and part it out for more than 10K! Hmm, engine 10K, turn buckles $500, wheels $300, instruments $800, prop $1000, your time ZILTCH. Had a great visit with Gary Boothe today. Poor guy had to listen to my blabbing for about two hours! Too big a price to pay for a breakfast! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Feb 6, 2015, at 1:14 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > So I was catching up on my stack of reading on a recent commercial flight and I get to a page in Flying magazine where they are showing a very special deal... a Quicksilver Sport 2SE, only $39,999. It's a 2-place, open cockpit, double-surface wing, strut braced. 65HP, 1000 lb. max takeoff weight, cruises at a max of about 60 MPH. Sounds a lot like an Air Camper, right? > > Considering that I'm going to be offering my Air Camper for sale for something a little south of $10k, this means I could possibly find four Air Campers for the price of one new SLSA, and I could fly a different airplane every other day of the week if I wanted to. > > There is something in my mind that cannot understand this, but I'm hoping it's only because I'm in early- to mid-geezerhood and this is normal for us. > > Oh, and also- a simple "glass panel" instrument for an LSA, plus an ADS-B gadget, seem to add up to the same cost as my Air Camper. It's a good thing I'm headed for senility... that's probably the only way any of this will make sense. > > I'm glad it's Friday. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438123#438123 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:07:14 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Cub Fuel Tank from project
    I'm using one in the Sky Scout, but had to cut a triangle piece off the bott om rear area, now it holds only 10 gals. Easy installation. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 6, 2015, at 1:55 PM, Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I'm using a J3 tank. It was an easy fit amd 12 gallons is more than i need > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 6, 2015, at 4:02 PM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> A SE TX project plane is available, and for the right $$$, I might be int erested in getting it. Project has ribs, two sets of spars, steel tube fuse , and a box full of extra tubing, etc. The tank is a new, unused J3 Cub tan k, and it still has stickers on it... >> >> So, the question is: is anyone using a J3 Cub fuel tank in their Piet? I f so, please let me know your experience, i.e., not enough fuel, just right, etc., also, let me know whether it's a drop in, or requires a lot of work t o use. >> >> Since I have a fuse, the steel tube fuse might become available. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -------- >> Tom Kreiner >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438121#438121 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 07:54:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp@gmail.com>
    If I wasn't so looking forward to building my own Piet, I would jump on that deal so fast your head would spin : ) -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438148#438148


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    Time: 08:03:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp@gmail.com>
    If I wasn't so looking forward to building my own Piet, I would jump on that deal so fast your head would spin : ) -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438149#438149


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    Time: 09:17:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Charlotte area?
    From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com>
    If you are headed over to see Jack in Gilbert, Barnwell is about 45 more minutes south. It is the home of two flying Corvair powered Pietempols, P.F. Beck's: http://flycorvair.net/2014/11/16/the-cherry-grove-trophy-2014/ . and Don Harper's http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/17/nwe-pietenpol-2700-corvair-don-harper-sc/ Tim Freer is the airport manager, he knows both men well, you can touch base with him and make sure they are around. All three men are the central crew that are the local host of the 5 Corvair Colleges we have held in Barnwell. I am not sure if Jack is at the White Plains airport (I think it is in Gilbert) but that was the Location of Corvair Colleges #12 and #16. With local host Ed and Val Fisher. A friendly residential airport. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438151#438151


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    Time: 09:45:17 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Ray Krause
    "Had a great visit with Gary Boothe today. Poor guy had to listen to my blabbing for about two hours! Too big a price to pay for a breakfast!" I think I have posted these pictures before of Ray's absolutely impeccable Waiex, and his Sky Scout, now getting fabric. You can bet that when Ray has something to say, I'll be listening! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper vs SLSA --> <raykrause@frontiernet.net> Oscar, I could just buy your plane and part it out for more than 10K! Hmm, engine 10K, turn buckles $500, wheels $300, instruments $800, prop $1000, your time ZILTCH. Had a great visit with Gary Boothe today. Poor guy had to listen to my blabbing for about two hours! Too big a price to pay for a breakfast! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Feb 6, 2015, at 1:14 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > > --> <taildrags@hotmail.com> > > So I was catching up on my stack of reading on a recent commercial flight and I get to a page in Flying magazine where they are showing a very special deal... a Quicksilver Sport 2SE, only $39,999. It's a 2-place, open cockpit, double-surface wing, strut braced. 65HP, 1000 lb. max takeoff weight, cruises at a max of about 60 MPH. Sounds a lot like an Air Camper, right? > > Considering that I'm going to be offering my Air Camper for sale for something a little south of $10k, this means I could possibly find four Air Campers for the price of one new SLSA, and I could fly a different airplane every other day of the week if I wanted to. > > There is something in my mind that cannot understand this, but I'm hoping it's only because I'm in early- to mid-geezerhood and this is normal for us. > > Oh, and also- a simple "glass panel" instrument for an LSA, plus an ADS-B gadget, seem to add up to the same cost as my Air Camper. It's a good thing I'm headed for senility... that's probably the only way any of this will make sense. > > I'm glad it's Friday. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438123#438123 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:17:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Camper vs SLSA
    From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA@aol.com>
    Oz, The math says building a Pietenpol is poor investment of one's money, While the heart says that it is an excellent investment in one's life. As you well know, you can figure out costs with a calculator, but the can not measure value, which is best done with that organ in your chest. . Consider that a $3,000 overhaul at 300 hrs is about twice the hourly amortization rate of a Lycoming. which will cost four times as much but go eight times as long, to say nothing about down time nor reliability. . I have 3 close friends at our airport, Dan Weseman, Vern Stevenson and Alex Follen, who each flew hundreds of hours behind two stroke Rotaxes in the 1990s. They are all super mechanical guys, alert to fine signals of an issue, all into extreme maintenance. They liked those engines, but I have to think that any two stroke engine is a poor match for a typical S-LSA buyer who might like flying, but has no real interest in nuts and bolts. Conversely, I think a big part of the success story of planes like J-3's was the fact the A-65 (or 75) on the front of your Piet, required no such special attention when it was the "S-LSA" of it's day. . In 1946, almost every modest sized or larger airport in the US had a professional mechanic ready and skilled in the care and feeding of the A-65 for the "S-LSA" pilot of that day. Today, no such service system exists to support a non-mechanical flyer trying to operate a $40K plane with a two stroke Rotax power plant. (there isn't really one for the 912 either) Yes, there are plenty of people who have been through some 20-40 hour Rotax training session, but suggesting such a person is then qualified to determine what is airworthly on a human carrying aircraft is a morbid joke. My A&P from Embry-Riddle had an FAA mandated 2,880 classroom and lab hours. If I suggested to the department chair Dick Ulm, USMC ( http://flycorvair.net/2014/02/23/erau-models-of-integrity/ ) that I was ready to work on planes at the end of my first week in the program, he would have laughed his ass off....and then probably punched my lights out. . Real Homebuilders, people in it to learn build and Fly, are immune to the vulnerabilities of typical S-LSA flyers, who are often just looking for another mechanical toy. Homebuilders are looking for freedom in all it's forms, and this includes educating oneself so you are free of being dependent on the availability and quality of maintenance professionals. The quote below is the core of the matter. Every few years they roll out a program to "get new people" interested in flying. All of these programs that fail to acknowledge that the commitment and motivation for success in aviation are higher, are bound to fail. Yet they never stop trotting out the comparisons between the cost of S-LSA planes and new boats, as if the whole issue can be solved with a calculator, ignoring the organ in the chest. . ------------------------------------------------ . At any real level, flying is not a sport, a hobby a pastime nor entertainment. It is an Endeavor, worthy of every hour of your life you invest; Those that dabble in it find only high cost, poor reward and serious risk. They are approaching it as consumers. Conversely, for those who devote their best efforts and their serious commitment, the rewards are without compare.-ww . (From the 'thought for the day' http://flycorvair.net/2015/01/12/thought-for-the-day-collection/) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438153#438153




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