---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/10/15: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:29 AM - Re: A65 Primer Lines (Peter Johnson) 2. 02:41 AM - Re: A65 Primer Lines (Jack Philips) 3. 08:32 AM - Re: A65 Primer Lines (taildrags) 4. 08:53 AM - Fw: A65 Primer Lines (woodflier) 5. 09:26 AM - Usable fuel--- gravity flow fuel systems (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 6. 09:55 AM - short Piet video---of possible interest (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 7. 01:44 PM - Re: Aerial progress (AircamperN11MS) 8. 01:52 PM - location of "Starting" controls (Steven Dortch) 9. 06:42 PM - Re: location of "Starting" controls (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 10. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Aerial progress (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 11. 08:58 PM - Re: location of "Starting" controls (nightmare) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:29:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 Primer Lines From: Peter Johnson Jack/Matt, Another question if I may: If I use a spray fitting (AN4022-1) on the inlet manifold end it seems I need to use a copper tube. If I use a standard AN816-2D fitting (no spray), I can use aly tube. Which is best? Cheers Peter On 10/02/2015 6:23 pm, "Peter Johnson" wrote: > > >Thanks Guys, > >I blew some fuel into the spider primer hole today, started second pull? > >Looks like I need to order a primer and fittings. > >Thanks > >Peter > > >On 10/02/2015 12:31 am, "Jack Philips" wrote: > >> >> >>Peter, >> >>I have a primer on my A65, plumbed exactly as Matt describes. I don't >>use it much in the summer, but in the winter, after the plane has sat for >>several weeks and is cold, it makes all the difference in the world. >> >>Different engines seem to have different personalities. I know some who >>use their primer every time they start the engine, and other who like me, >>don't seem to need it unless the weather is cold. The C-145 Continental >>in my Cessna 170 needs priming anytime I start it unless it has run >>within an hour or so. >> >>I used to have an RV-4 with an O-320 Lycoming in it. It had no primer >>and was a real bear to start if the temperature was below freezing. Many >>is the time I ran the battery dead trying to start that airplane in cold >>weather. >> >>Jack Phillips >>NX899JP >>Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt >>Paxton >>Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 6:27 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Fwd: Pietenpol-List: A65 Primer Lines >> >> >>Peter, there should be a plug in the aluminum casting that the carburetor >>hangs from and the induction pipes come out of. On my engine, it's on the >>left side. I plumbed a 1/8" copper line in there from the primer. You >>need a compression fitting where that plug comes out, and, of course, a >>line from the gascolator to the primer. >> >>Matt Paxton >>NX629ML >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>From: Peter Johnson >>Date: Feb 9, 2015 2:06 AM >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 Primer Lines >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Cc: >> >>> --> >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I managed to get the A65 to run for the first time after the rebuild >>> on Saturday but after exhausting my energy I think a primer is called >>>for. >>> >>> Where do you run the lines, to the spider or to each cylinder? >>> >>> Will in make much difference or should I just continue to use arm >>> power to pull through the prop a few times? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Peter >>> Wonthaggi Australia >>> http://repiet.cpc-world.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Ex >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:26 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 Primer Lines Peter, I used the spray fitting with a copper tube. Be sure to bend a loop in the tubing to allow the tube to flex as the engine moves on its mounts. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 5:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 Primer Lines --> Jack/Matt, Another question if I may: If I use a spray fitting (AN4022-1) on the inlet manifold end it seems I need to use a copper tube. If I use a standard AN816-2D fitting (no spray), I can use aly tube. Which is best? Cheers Peter On 10/02/2015 6:23 pm, "Peter Johnson" wrote: > > >Thanks Guys, > >I blew some fuel into the spider primer hole today, started second pull? > >Looks like I need to order a primer and fittings. > >Thanks > >Peter > > >On 10/02/2015 12:31 am, "Jack Philips" wrote: > >> >> >>Peter, >> >>I have a primer on my A65, plumbed exactly as Matt describes. I don't >>use it much in the summer, but in the winter, after the plane has sat >>for several weeks and is cold, it makes all the difference in the world. >> >>Different engines seem to have different personalities. I know some >>who use their primer every time they start the engine, and other who >>like me, don't seem to need it unless the weather is cold. The C-145 >>Continental in my Cessna 170 needs priming anytime I start it unless >>it has run within an hour or so. >> >>I used to have an RV-4 with an O-320 Lycoming in it. It had no primer >>and was a real bear to start if the temperature was below freezing. >>Many is the time I ran the battery dead trying to start that airplane >>in cold weather. >> >>Jack Phillips >>NX899JP >>Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt >>Paxton >>Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 6:27 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Fwd: Pietenpol-List: A65 Primer Lines >> >> >>Peter, there should be a plug in the aluminum casting that the >>carburetor hangs from and the induction pipes come out of. On my >>engine, it's on the left side. I plumbed a 1/8" copper line in there >>from the primer. You need a compression fitting where that plug comes >>out, and, of course, a line from the gascolator to the primer. >> >>Matt Paxton >>NX629ML >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>From: Peter Johnson >>Date: Feb 9, 2015 2:06 AM >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 Primer Lines >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Cc: >> >>> --> >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I managed to get the A65 to run for the first time after the rebuild >>>on Saturday but after exhausting my energy I think a primer is called >>>for. >>> >>> Where do you run the lines, to the spider or to each cylinder? >>> >>> Will in make much difference or should I just continue to use arm >>> power to pull through the prop a few times? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Peter >>> Wonthaggi Australia >>> http://repiet.cpc-world.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Ex >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A65 Primer Lines From: "taildrags" I'm probably going to catch some flak for this, especially since my airplane does not have a primer, but there is a very inexpensive one available through Great Plains, here: http://www.greatplainsas.com/scfuel.html The ones from Aircraft Spruce and other aircraft supply houses are typically much more expensive. What I don't like about the Great Plains primer is that it uses push-on tubing over barbed nipples, without any real fittings. And all of this goes in your cockpit (unless you do like some of the Model A setups and install the primer up front). -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438210#438210 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:09 AM PST US From: woodflier Subject: Fwd: Pietenpol-List: A65 Primer Lines Peter, I', pretty sure I just used the straight AN816-2D fitting. And like Jack said, I never have to prime when it's warm. I pull the prop through 5-8 blades and it starts easy and no blades when it's warm. This time of year, when the temp is in the 40s or 50s, I do need one good shot of prime. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Peter Johnson Sent: Tue, Feb 10, 2015 5:30 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 Primer Lines Jack/Matt, Another question if I may: If I use a spray fitting (AN4022-1) on the inlet manifold end it seems I need to use a copper tube. If I use a standard AN816-2D fitting (no spray), I can use aly tube. Which is best? Cheers Peter On 10/02/2015 6:23 pm, "Peter Johnson" wrote: > > >Thanks Guys, > >I blew some fuel into the spider primer hole today, started second pull? > >Looks like I need to order a primer and fittings. > >Thanks > >Peter > > >On 10/02/2015 12:31 am, "Jack Philips" wrote: > >> >> >>Peter, >> >>I have a primer on my A65, plumbed exactly as Matt describes. I don't >>use it much in the summer, but in the winter, after the plane has sat for >>several weeks and is cold, it makes all the difference in the world. >> >>Different engines seem to have different personalities. I know some who >>use their primer every time they start the engine, and other who like me, >>don't seem to need it unless the weather is cold. The C-145 Continental >>in my Cessna 170 needs priming anytime I start it unless it has run >>within an hour or so. >> >>I used to have an RV-4 with an O-320 Lycoming in it. It had no primer >>and was a real bear to start if the temperature was below freezing. Many >>is the time I ran the battery dead trying to start that airplane in cold >>weather. >> >>Jack Phillips >>NX899JP >>Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt >>Paxton >>Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 6:27 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Fwd: Pietenpol-List: A65 Primer Lines >> >> >>Peter, there should be a plug in the aluminum casting that the carburetor >>hangs from and the induction pipes come out of. On my engine, it's on the >>left side. I plumbed a 1/8" copper line in there from the primer. You >>need a compression fitting where that plug comes out, and, of course, a >>line from the gascolator to the primer. >> >>Matt Paxton >>NX629ML >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>From: Peter Johnson >>Date: Feb 9, 2015 2:06 AM >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 Primer Lines >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Cc: >> >>> --> >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I managed to get the A65 to run for the first time after the rebuild >>> on Saturday but after exhausting my energy I think a primer is called >>>for. >>> >>> Where do you run the lines, to the spider or to each cylinder? >>> >>> Will in make much difference or should I just continue to use arm >>> power to pull through the prop a few times? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Peter >>> Wonthaggi Australia >>> http://repiet.cpc-world.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Ex >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:29 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Usable fuel--- gravity flow fuel systems http://spirit.eaa.org/apps/magazines/eaa_articles/1973_03_05.pdf I've attached a good fuel system article by Tony Bingelis but if you have t he books by Tony Bingelis he will show you how to install a flawless fuel system and also show you how to exactly calculate how much fuel you have that is usable an unusable in your system. I have a 17 gallon nose tank and I did the prescribed static fuel flow mea surements for my Piet setup on a earthen barn ramp that was in the back of an old farmhouse I was renting while building. The barn ramp simulated my plane at a climb angle and the fuel flow was mea sured into a Rubbermaid iced-tea container which had both ml and oz graduations on it. That, a stopwatch on my watch (now cell phone stop watches work great) and some fuel and I all I needed. The method Bingelis suggests puts the plane in a climb attitude and his cal culations account for a full-power climb out situation. Those four books are worth their weight in platinum or gold (depending on which is higher!) Best $89 you'll ever spend on your Pietenpol! https://www.eaa.org/en/eaa-shop/homebuilders_corner/2251598800000__bingelis -set-of-4 Mike C. Ohio ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:33 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: short Piet video---of possible interest Just stumbled upon this searching "Pietenpol" in YouTube at lunch time. Mike C. http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2007/06/12/met_131957.shtml ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aerial progress From: "AircamperN11MS" Glen, It looks good. It's amazing how quickly the structures take shape. I hope to see you come down to the Piet gathering at Frazier Lake in June. Bring some parts you have made and show them off. Keep it up my friend, Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438221#438221 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: location of "Starting" controls From: Steven Dortch Oscar mentions the thought of putting the Primer up front where you hand prop. My FlyBaby buddy has his mag switches up front on the outside so that he can turn them on and off when he is hand propping. He can also reach them from the pilot seat. That way he is not going around the wind and back and forth. What do y'all think? -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: location of "Starting" controls From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com Dh60,and Dh82 tigermoth have mag switch located on the port side exterior . They've always been that way for safety. Of the guy flipping the prop. Glen Aerial in progress Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Steven Dortch wro te: > > Oscar mentions the thought of putting the Primer up front where you hand p rop. > > My FlyBaby buddy has his mag switches up front on the outside so that he c an turn them on and off when he is hand propping. He can also reach them fro m the pilot seat. That way he is not going around the wind and back and fort h. > > What do y'all think? > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aerial progress From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com Thank you for the invitation to Frazer Lake. I've offered to "fly" ground support for Oscar. I hope he'll fly Scout from Medford. I definitely plan to be there. Blauer Himmel Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2015, at 1:44 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Glen, > > It looks good. It's amazing how quickly the structures take shape. I hope to see you come down to the Piet gathering at Frazier Lake in June. Bring some parts you have made and show them off. > > Keep it up my friend, Cheers, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438221#438221 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: location of "Starting" controls From: "nightmare" i think its a great idea. I was going to build mine with the same feature but ended up deciding on a corvair with electric start. you could hand prop it from behind the prop yourself (like i used to do in cubs) and turn the other mag switch on after you start her up. maybe a remote throttle too. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438226#438226 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.