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1. 03:24 AM - Re: Piet on eBay (Matt Paxton)
2. 06:01 AM - Re: Piet on eBay (AircamperN11MS)
3. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Jack Philips)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Jack)
5. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Jack Philips)
6. 10:35 AM - Re: Piet on eBay (wheelharp)
7. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Jack Philips)
8. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Jack)
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
I've been a glider pilot for 45 years and the idea of thermalling and ridge soaring
my Piet never occurred to me. I'm definitely going to try it. In keeping
with the tradition of the design, an old pellet variometer would be cool to install.
The green pellet goes up and you're climbing, the red pellet goes up...well,
that's what I'd see most often.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Cc:
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> Jeff,
>
> Makes sense.
>
> I would just get the smallest one I could find. You don't need a big one to ride
the thermals. On second thought, with my eyes, I probably need the big one...
[Wink]
>
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> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438247#438247
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
I hava a variometer in my plane. I put it in there to fill the hole where my
compass once lived. The compass was unreliable in that part of my panel. Anyway,
it turns out that it is a very useful gauge. I fly around a lot of mountains
here in So Ca. The slightest up or down draft has a big effect on the piets
performance. My variometer reads in vertical knots. I did the math and one
knot vertical is almost exactly 100 feet per minute. The variometer is much
more sensitive than the standard VSI. If you can find one I say get it and
have some fun with it.
Oh, the Piet on EBAY was at our West coast gathering last year. I believe the
gentleman who owns it is not the builder. That C-90 engine on the front makes
the plane a good performer. The engine sticks out front a long way, probably
because of all the weight in the rear cockpit. I remember it being a well built
plane.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
I put a VSI in my Pietenpol primarily because I was given one as a wedding
presence (I still have the VSI, but not that wife. She was just a
"Practice" wife). I have found it to be pretty useful, particularly when
flying to Brodhead across West Virginia. I usually stop at Beckley for
fuel. The airport at Beckley is located in the New River Gorge, and is
surrounded by mountains. A takeoff with a heavily loaded Pietenpol on a hot
day invariably involves flying around the gorge looking for lift or thermals
in order to climb over the mountains on either side of the gorge. The VSI
helps a lot (a variometer would be even better).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
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jarheadpilot82
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
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Jeff,
Makes sense.
I would just get the smallest one I could find. You don't need a big one to
ride the thermals. On second thought, with my eyes, I probably need the big
one... [Wink]
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
Hello Jack,
Several of us are doing some early planning to fly to Brodhead this year as a "gaggle"
of Piets. I'm beginning from basically Columbia, SC. I'll be going west
to hopefully join up with the Ga. Group then north to join the Tn group and
then on to Brodhead. It would be great if you could join us. The plans at this
point are only draft so any changes are fully open. Please give your thoughts.
Thank
Jack
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> On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:
>
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> I put a VSI in my Pietenpol primarily because I was given one as a wedding
> presence (I still have the VSI, but not that wife. She was just a
> "Practice" wife). I have found it to be pretty useful, particularly when
> flying to Brodhead across West Virginia. I usually stop at Beckley for
> fuel. The airport at Beckley is located in the New River Gorge, and is
> surrounded by mountains. A takeoff with a heavily loaded Pietenpol on a hot
> day invariably involves flying around the gorge looking for lift or thermals
> in order to climb over the mountains on either side of the gorge. The VSI
> helps a lot (a variometer would be even better).
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jarheadpilot82
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:47 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
>
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>
> Jeff,
>
> Makes sense.
>
> I would just get the smallest one I could find. You don't need a big one to
> ride the thermals. On second thought, with my eyes, I probably need the big
> one... [Wink]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438247#438247
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
Hi Jack,
I'm planning to go to Brodhead, but not in my Pietenpol. My wife will be
joining me for the first time so we're going to be flying up in our Cessna
170B. I've flown my Piet there 5 times, and that's enough. I'm tired of
struggling to make it over the mountains and under the inevitable weather.
The Cessna is fully instrument equipped and better suited for flying a long
trip. Maybe some other year, if she's not going and the weather is perfect,
I'll take the Piet back to Brodhead.
Going around the mountains and up from Tennessee should be a much easier way
to go than flying over West Virginia. Several times I have come home that
way, after making a stop in west Tennessee to visit my Mom. Flying back to
the Carolinas by way of Huntsville, AL and Rome, GA avoids the highest of
the mountains and the worst of the weather.
Contrast these two views - the first is the typical terrain I find flying
over West Virginia:
And here is what it looks like flying over the Midwest:
You decide which place you'd rather be in the event of a forced landing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
<mailto:fastnaught@windstream.net> fastnaught@windstream.net>
Hello Jack,
Several of us are doing some early planning to fly to Brodhead this year as
a "gaggle" of Piets. I'm beginning from basically Columbia, SC. I'll be
going west to hopefully join up with the Ga. Group then north to join the Tn
group and then on to Brodhead. It would be great if you could join us. The
plans at this point are only draft so any changes are fully open. Please
give your thoughts.
Thank
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Jack Philips <
<mailto:jack@bedfordlandings.com> jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:
>
> --> < <mailto:jack@bedfordlandings.com> jack@bedfordlandings.com>
>
> I put a VSI in my Pietenpol primarily because I was given one as a
> wedding presence (I still have the VSI, but not that wife. She was
> just a "Practice" wife). I have found it to be pretty useful,
> particularly when flying to Brodhead across West Virginia. I usually
> stop at Beckley for fuel. The airport at Beckley is located in the
> New River Gorge, and is surrounded by mountains. A takeoff with a
> heavily loaded Pietenpol on a hot day invariably involves flying
> around the gorge looking for lift or thermals in order to climb over
> the mountains on either side of the gorge. The VSI helps a lot (a
variometer would be even better).
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [ <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jarheadpilot82
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:47 PM
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
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> --> < <mailto:jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Jeff,
>
> Makes sense.
>
> I would just get the smallest one I could find. You don't need a big
> one to ride the thermals. On second thought, with my eyes, I probably
> need the big one... [Wink]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438247#438247>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
> Contrast these two views - the first is the typical terrain I find flying over
West Virginia:
Jack P,
I have often dreamed of coming over to the B&B with my wife when my Piet is done,
but I've looked at sat images, and looks like it would be some pretty serious
rock hopping to get there from Missouri (I fly field to field like i'm jumping
from stone to stone crossing a creek)
On the other hand, a trip to Brodhead for me would be 73 NM to Carlyle lake in
Illinois, then- straight north and 238 NM of green quilt squares!
--------
Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
That's one of the reasons no one has yet flown a Pietenpol here to spend the
night. Matt Paxton has stayed here at our Bed & Breakfast, and he's flown
his Pietenpol here, but not at the same time. South and east of here the
terrain is fine. North and west there are some serious mountains (not as
high as the Rockies, but about as tall above the surrounding terrain).
Flying from here to Beckley in a straight line I have to get to at least
5,000' to have reasonable clearance over the mountains, and to feel
comfortable I like to get to 6,000'. Since our field elevation here is just
under a thousand feet, and at those altitudes a heavily loaded Pietenpol
climbs at about 150 feet per minute, I'm looking at climbing steadily for
over half an hour.
Flying here requires careful study of the terrain. For example, flying a
straight line between here and Matt's field you've got to cross a peak on
the Blue Ridge that is 4,225' MSL at the summit. But by bending just a bit
east of course, and following the valley of the James River you can cut
through a gap in the Blue Ridge and never have to get above 2500'. Of
course there's no place to land but the river if you lose the engine, but
you get used to that.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wheelharp
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
> Contrast these two views - the first is the typical terrain I find flying
over West Virginia:
Jack P,
I have often dreamed of coming over to the B&B with my wife when my Piet is
done, but I've looked at sat images, and looks like it would be some pretty
serious rock hopping to get there from Missouri (I fly field to field like
i'm jumping from stone to stone crossing a creek) On the other hand, a trip
to Brodhead for me would be 73 NM to Carlyle lake in Illinois, then-
straight north and 238 NM of green quilt squares!
--------
Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
Jack,
Thanks for the reply. I fully understand. Look forward to meeting you.
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrot
e:
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> I'm planning to go to Brodhead, but not in my Pietenpol. My wife will be j
oining me for the first time so we're going to be flying up in our Cessna 17
0B. I've flown my Piet there 5 times, and that's enough. I'm tired of stru
ggling to make it over the mountains and under the inevitable weather. The C
essna is fully instrument equipped and better suited for flying a long trip.
Maybe some other year, if she's not going and the weather is perfect, I'll
take the Piet back to Brodhead.
>
> Going around the mountains and up from Tennessee should be a much easier w
ay to go than flying over West Virginia. Several times I have come home tha
t way, after making a stop in west Tennessee to visit my Mom. Flying back t
o the Carolinas by way of Huntsville, AL and Rome, GA avoids the highest o
f the mountains and the worst of the weather.
>
> Contrast these two views - the first is the typical terrain I find flying o
ver West Virginia:
>
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> And here is what it looks like flying over the Midwest:
>
> <image002.jpg>
>
> You decide which place you=99d rather be in the event of a forced la
nding.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 11:07 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
>
>
> Hello Jack,
> Several of us are doing some early planning to fly to Brodhead this year a
s a "gaggle" of Piets. I'm beginning from basically Columbia, SC. I'll be go
ing west to hopefully join up with the Ga. Group then north to join the Tn g
roup and then on to Brodhead. It would be great if you could join us. The pl
ans at this point are only draft so any changes are fully open. Please give y
our thoughts.
> Thank
> Jack
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wr
ote:
> >
> > --> <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
> >
> > I put a VSI in my Pietenpol primarily because I was given one as a
> > wedding presence (I still have the VSI, but not that wife. She was
> > just a "Practice" wife). I have found it to be pretty useful,
> > particularly when flying to Brodhead across West Virginia. I usually
> > stop at Beckley for fuel. The airport at Beckley is located in the
> > New River Gorge, and is surrounded by mountains. A takeoff with a
> > heavily loaded Pietenpol on a hot day invariably involves flying
> > around the gorge looking for lift or thermals in order to climb over
> > the mountains on either side of the gorge. The VSI helps a lot (a vario
meter would be even better).
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> > NX899JP
> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > jarheadpilot82
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:47 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
> >
> > --> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Makes sense.
> >
> > I would just get the smallest one I could find. You don't need a big
> > one to ride the thermals. On second thought, with my eyes, I probably
> > need the big one... [Wink]
> >
> > --------
> > Semper Fi,
> >
> > Terry Hand
> > Athens, GA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438247#438247
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