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1. 02:43 AM - Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen (William Wynne)
2. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen (Kip Gardner)
3. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
4. 10:38 AM - Varnish (Scott Knowlton)
5. 10:51 AM - Re: Varnish (Charles N. Campbell)
6. 11:46 AM - Re: Varnish (Lorenzo)
7. 12:31 PM - Re: Varnish (Chris Tracy)
8. 12:35 PM - Re: Varnish (Scott Knowlton)
9. 01:37 PM - Re: Varnish (Jack Philips)
10. 02:03 PM - Re: Varnish (Charles Burkholder)
11. 03:42 PM - Wavy grain in capstrip (Pocono John)
12. 05:35 PM - Re: Wavy grain in capstrip (tools)
13. 05:41 PM - Re: Wavy grain in capstrip (Pocono John)
14. 05:45 PM - Re: Wavy grain in capstrip (tools)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen |
Glen,
I don't remember who taught it to me, but I really like the saying
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"The Early bird gets the worm, but the Second mouse gets the cheese."
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The implication is that the first mouse got his head caught in the trap. CA glue
would probably work fine, but do you really want to be that first mouse?
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In the conversion manual I teach people the ww axiom of airplane building " It
isn't the probability of being right it is the cost of being wrong." Example:
Being 95% sure your paint will not peel is fine, but being 95% sure your wing
spar will not break is not acceptable because they have different costs associated
with the undesirable outcome.
.
Just use T-88 and you will never have to think about it again.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen |
Another one in the same vein:
"It just proves that the worm should have stayed in bed"
On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:42 AM, William Wynne wrote:
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> Glen,
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> I don't remember who taught it to me, but I really like the saying
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> "The Early bird gets the worm, but the Second mouse gets the cheese."
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> The implication is that the first mouse got his head caught in the trap. CA glue
would probably work fine, but do you really want to be that first mouse?
>
> .
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> In the conversion manual I teach people the ww axiom of airplane building " It
isn't the probability of being right it is the cost of being wrong." Example:
Being 95% sure your paint will not peel is fine, but being 95% sure your wing
spar will not break is not acceptable because they have different costs associated
with the undesirable outcome.
>
> .
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> Just use T-88 and you will never have to think about it again.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438298#438298
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen |
Thank you for the replies. No first mouse issues(thanks William). I'll be using
T88 for ribs. Currently kitting all ribs for top wing. That's a lot of little
sticks! Thanks again. Glen
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> On Feb 13, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Another one in the same vein:
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> "It just proves that the worm should have stayed in bed"
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>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:42 AM, William Wynne wrote:
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>> Glen,
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>> I don't remember who taught it to me, but I really like the saying
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>> .
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>> "The Early bird gets the worm, but the Second mouse gets the cheese."
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>> The implication is that the first mouse got his head caught in the trap. CA
glue would probably work fine, but do you really want to be that first mouse?
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> In the conversion manual I teach people the ww axiom of airplane building "
It isn't the probability of being right it is the cost of being wrong." Example:
Being 95% sure your paint will not peel is fine, but being 95% sure your wing
spar will not break is not acceptable because they have different costs associated
with the undesirable outcome.
>>
>> .
>>
>> Just use T-88 and you will never have to think about it again.
>>
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438298#438298
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There is something beyond description when the first coat of varnish goes on
the fuselage after hundreds of iterations of clamping procedures, sanding, h
ead scratching , fitting, scratching again, and fine carpentry. I can hear a
popping sound in my shop as the airframe goes from a dusty light coloured g
rain -less contraption to a fine wooden piece of antiquity!!! Sorry for the
verbosity but those of you have reached this point must be able to relate t
o my absolute fulfillment... Those of you yet to reach this hallmark I encou
rage you to continue the journey. It is most definitely worth it.
Scott Knowlton.
Sent from my iPhone
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Speaking of varnishing the fuselage I'm about to that point. Someone wrote
recently that he thinned the varnish. Anyone know how much to thin it? I
asked once before but got no response. Chuck
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> There is something beyond description when the first coat of varnish goes
> on the fuselage after hundreds of iterations of clamping procedures,
> sanding, head scratching , fitting, scratching again, and fine carpentry.
> I can hear a popping sound in my shop as the airframe goes from a dusty
> light coloured grain -less contraption to a fine wooden piece of
> antiquity!!! Sorry for the verbosity but those of you have reached this
> point must be able to relate to my absolute fulfillment... Those of you yet
> to reach this hallmark I encourage you to continue the journey. It is most
> definitely worth it.
>
> Scott Knowlton.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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I'm just doing some varnishing of my own. First coat on the fuselage. Minwax Helmsman
spar urethane, full strength, straight from the can. Spread with a Harbor
Freight throwaway bristle brush (and picking out the occasional loose hair).
Lorenzo
Tellico Plains, TN
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My notes say thin on a- 50/50 ratio first coat. Full strength there after
. =0A=0AChris Tracy=0ASent from AT&T Mail on Android=0A=0A
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I used helmsman straight from the can. It's pretty thin and I suspect you'd g
et runs if you thinned it out.
Scott
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> On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:53 PM, "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gm
ail.com> wrote:
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> Speaking of varnishing the fuselage I'm about to that point. Someone wrot
e recently that he thinned the varnish. Anyone know how much to thin it? I
asked once before but got no response. Chuck
>
>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k@hotmail.co
m> wrote:
>> There is something beyond description when the first coat of varnish goes
on the fuselage after hundreds of iterations of clamping procedures, sandin
g, head scratching , fitting, scratching again, and fine carpentry. I can h
ear a popping sound in my shop as the airframe goes from a dusty light colou
red grain -less contraption to a fine wooden piece of antiquity!!! Sorry fo
r the verbosity but those of you have reached this point must be able to rel
ate to my absolute fulfillment... Those of you yet to reach this hallmark I e
ncourage you to continue the journey. It is most definitely worth it.
>>
>> Scott Knowlton.
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That's what I did, Chris. First coat thinned 50/50, full strength after
that. The theory behind this is that thinning it allows the varnish to
penetrate beneath the surface, then subsequent coats bond to that first coat
much more strongly, preventing the varnish from just peeling off in a few
years.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Tracy
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish
My notes say thin on a 50/50 ratio first coat. Full strength there after.
Chris Tracy
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From:"Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924@gmail.com
<mailto:charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> >
Date:Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:51 AM
Subject:Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish
Speaking of varnishing the fuselage I'm about to that point. Someone wrote
recently that he thinned the varnish. Anyone know how much to thin it? I
asked once before but got no response. Chuck
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com
<javascript:return> > wrote:
There is something beyond description when the first coat of varnish goes on
the fuselage after hundreds of iterations of clamping procedures, sanding,
head scratching , fitting, scratching again, and fine carpentry. I can hear
a popping sound in my shop as the airframe goes from a dusty light coloured
grain -less contraption to a fine wooden piece of antiquity!!! Sorry for
the verbosity but those of you have reached this point must be able to
relate to my absolute fulfillment... Those of you yet to reach this hallmark
I encourage you to continue the journey. It is most definitely worth it.
Scott Knowlton.
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Very nice Scott!
On 2/13/2015 1:38 PM, Scott Knowlton wrote:
> There is something beyond description when the first coat of varnish goes on
the fuselage after hundreds of iterations of clamping procedures, sanding, head
scratching , fitting, scratching again, and fine carpentry. I can hear a popping
sound in my shop as the airframe goes from a dusty light coloured grain
-less contraption to a fine wooden piece of antiquity!!! Sorry for the verbosity
but those of you have reached this point must be able to relate to my absolute
fulfillment... Those of you yet to reach this hallmark I encourage you to
continue the journey. It is most definitely worth it.
>
> Scott Knowlton.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Wavy grain in capstrip |
Just discovered this wave in the grain of a rib top capstrip where two diagonals
meet at gussets. The other side doesn't show the wave as far as I can see. Not
sure if it's acceptable or not, but I was thinking of gluing additional pieces
of capstrip on both sides of the diagonals like Tony shows in "The Sportplane
Builder" page 67.
Is it strange it's not on both sides? I plan to show my EAA counselor too, just
wanted to share. Thanks.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Wavy grain in capstrip |
It's wood... Lots of natural variation.
Cap strips aren't structural, it'll be fine.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Wavy grain in capstrip |
Thanks! The piece annoys me though, so maybe I'll just replace it.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Wavy grain in capstrip |
It also occurs within the confines of gusset plates, a butt joint would be fine
there.
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