---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/13/15: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:43 AM - Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen (William Wynne) 2. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen (Kip Gardner) 3. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 4. 10:38 AM - Varnish (Scott Knowlton) 5. 10:51 AM - Re: Varnish (Charles N. Campbell) 6. 11:46 AM - Re: Varnish (Lorenzo) 7. 12:31 PM - Re: Varnish (Chris Tracy) 8. 12:35 PM - Re: Varnish (Scott Knowlton) 9. 01:37 PM - Re: Varnish (Jack Philips) 10. 02:03 PM - Re: Varnish (Charles Burkholder) 11. 03:42 PM - Wavy grain in capstrip (Pocono John) 12. 05:35 PM - Re: Wavy grain in capstrip (tools) 13. 05:41 PM - Re: Wavy grain in capstrip (Pocono John) 14. 05:45 PM - Re: Wavy grain in capstrip (tools) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen From: "William Wynne" Glen, I don't remember who taught it to me, but I really like the saying .. "The Early bird gets the worm, but the Second mouse gets the cheese." .. The implication is that the first mouse got his head caught in the trap. CA glue would probably work fine, but do you really want to be that first mouse? .. In the conversion manual I teach people the ww axiom of airplane building " It isn't the probability of being right it is the cost of being wrong." Example: Being 95% sure your paint will not peel is fine, but being 95% sure your wing spar will not break is not acceptable because they have different costs associated with the undesirable outcome. .. Just use T-88 and you will never have to think about it again. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438298#438298 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen From: Kip Gardner Another one in the same vein: "It just proves that the worm should have stayed in bed" On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:42 AM, William Wynne wrote: > > Glen, > > > > I don't remember who taught it to me, but I really like the saying > > . > > > "The Early bird gets the worm, but the Second mouse gets the cheese." > > . > > > > The implication is that the first mouse got his head caught in the trap. CA glue would probably work fine, but do you really want to be that first mouse? > > . > > > In the conversion manual I teach people the ww axiom of airplane building " It isn't the probability of being right it is the cost of being wrong." Example: Being 95% sure your paint will not peel is fine, but being 95% sure your wing spar will not break is not acceptable because they have different costs associated with the undesirable outcome. > > . > > Just use T-88 and you will never have to think about it again. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438298#438298 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com Thank you for the replies. No first mouse issues(thanks William). I'll be using T88 for ribs. Currently kitting all ribs for top wing. That's a lot of little sticks! Thanks again. Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Kip Gardner wrote: > > > Another one in the same vein: > > "It just proves that the worm should have stayed in bed" > > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:42 AM, William Wynne wrote: >> >> >> Glen, >> >> >> >> I don't remember who taught it to me, but I really like the saying >> >> . >> >> >> "The Early bird gets the worm, but the Second mouse gets the cheese." >> >> . >> >> >> >> The implication is that the first mouse got his head caught in the trap. CA glue would probably work fine, but do you really want to be that first mouse? >> >> . >> >> >> In the conversion manual I teach people the ww axiom of airplane building " It isn't the probability of being right it is the cost of being wrong." Example: Being 95% sure your paint will not peel is fine, but being 95% sure your wing spar will not break is not acceptable because they have different costs associated with the undesirable outcome. >> >> . >> >> Just use T-88 and you will never have to think about it again. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438298#438298 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish From: Scott Knowlton There is something beyond description when the first coat of varnish goes on the fuselage after hundreds of iterations of clamping procedures, sanding, h ead scratching , fitting, scratching again, and fine carpentry. I can hear a popping sound in my shop as the airframe goes from a dusty light coloured g rain -less contraption to a fine wooden piece of antiquity!!! Sorry for the verbosity but those of you have reached this point must be able to relate t o my absolute fulfillment... Those of you yet to reach this hallmark I encou rage you to continue the journey. It is most definitely worth it. Scott Knowlton. Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish From: "Charles N. Campbell" Speaking of varnishing the fuselage I'm about to that point. Someone wrote recently that he thinned the varnish. Anyone know how much to thin it? I asked once before but got no response. Chuck On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Scott Knowlton wrote: > There is something beyond description when the first coat of varnish goes > on the fuselage after hundreds of iterations of clamping procedures, > sanding, head scratching , fitting, scratching again, and fine carpentry. > I can hear a popping sound in my shop as the airframe goes from a dusty > light coloured grain -less contraption to a fine wooden piece of > antiquity!!! Sorry for the verbosity but those of you have reached this > point must be able to relate to my absolute fulfillment... Those of you yet > to reach this hallmark I encourage you to continue the journey. It is most > definitely worth it. > > Scott Knowlton. > > > Sent from my iPhone > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish From: "Lorenzo" I'm just doing some varnishing of my own. First coat on the fuselage. Minwax Helmsman spar urethane, full strength, straight from the can. Spread with a Harbor Freight throwaway bristle brush (and picking out the occasional loose hair). Lorenzo Tellico Plains, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438320#438320 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:27 PM PST US From: Chris Tracy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish My notes say thin on a- 50/50 ratio first coat. Full strength there after . =0A=0AChris Tracy=0ASent from AT&T Mail on Android=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish From: Scott Knowlton I used helmsman straight from the can. It's pretty thin and I suspect you'd g et runs if you thinned it out. Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2015, at 1:53 PM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote: > > Speaking of varnishing the fuselage I'm about to that point. Someone wrot e recently that he thinned the varnish. Anyone know how much to thin it? I asked once before but got no response. Chuck > >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Scott Knowlton wrote: >> There is something beyond description when the first coat of varnish goes on the fuselage after hundreds of iterations of clamping procedures, sandin g, head scratching , fitting, scratching again, and fine carpentry. I can h ear a popping sound in my shop as the airframe goes from a dusty light colou red grain -less contraption to a fine wooden piece of antiquity!!! Sorry fo r the verbosity but those of you have reached this point must be able to rel ate to my absolute fulfillment... Those of you yet to reach this hallmark I e ncourage you to continue the journey. It is most definitely worth it. >> >> Scott Knowlton. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:27 PM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Varnish That's what I did, Chris. First coat thinned 50/50, full strength after that. The theory behind this is that thinning it allows the varnish to penetrate beneath the surface, then subsequent coats bond to that first coat much more strongly, preventing the varnish from just peeling off in a few years. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Tracy Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish My notes say thin on a 50/50 ratio first coat. Full strength there after. Chris Tracy Sent from AT&T Mail on Android From:"Charles N. Campbell" > Date:Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:51 AM Subject:Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Speaking of varnishing the fuselage I'm about to that point. Someone wrote recently that he thinned the varnish. Anyone know how much to thin it? I asked once before but got no response. Chuck On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Scott Knowlton > wrote: There is something beyond description when the first coat of varnish goes on the fuselage after hundreds of iterations of clamping procedures, sanding, head scratching , fitting, scratching again, and fine carpentry. I can hear a popping sound in my shop as the airframe goes from a dusty light coloured grain -less contraption to a fine wooden piece of antiquity!!! Sorry for the verbosity but those of you have reached this point must be able to relate to my absolute fulfillment... Those of you yet to reach this hallmark I encourage you to continue the journey. It is most definitely worth it. Scott Knowlton. Sent from my iPhone http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listw" target="_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://====================== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:22 PM PST US From: Charles Burkholder Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Very nice Scott! On 2/13/2015 1:38 PM, Scott Knowlton wrote: > There is something beyond description when the first coat of varnish goes on the fuselage after hundreds of iterations of clamping procedures, sanding, head scratching , fitting, scratching again, and fine carpentry. I can hear a popping sound in my shop as the airframe goes from a dusty light coloured grain -less contraption to a fine wooden piece of antiquity!!! Sorry for the verbosity but those of you have reached this point must be able to relate to my absolute fulfillment... Those of you yet to reach this hallmark I encourage you to continue the journey. It is most definitely worth it. > > Scott Knowlton. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com -- Charles Burkholder Visit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogspot.ca/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wavy grain in capstrip From: "Pocono John" Just discovered this wave in the grain of a rib top capstrip where two diagonals meet at gussets. The other side doesn't show the wave as far as I can see. Not sure if it's acceptable or not, but I was thinking of gluing additional pieces of capstrip on both sides of the diagonals like Tony shows in "The Sportplane Builder" page 67. Is it strange it's not on both sides? I plan to show my EAA counselor too, just wanted to share. Thanks. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438335#438335 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietprob1_614.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietprob2_209.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietprob3_385.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wavy grain in capstrip From: "tools" It's wood... Lots of natural variation. Cap strips aren't structural, it'll be fine. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438337#438337 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wavy grain in capstrip From: "Pocono John" Thanks! The piece annoys me though, so maybe I'll just replace it. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438338#438338 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wavy grain in capstrip From: "tools" It also occurs within the confines of gusset plates, a butt joint would be fine there. 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