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1. 07:51 AM - Wing flex, the need for struts.. (Ray Krause)
2. 07:59 AM - Re: No worry "kitting" for wing (PatrickW)
3. 08:24 AM - Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. (Boatright, Jeffrey)
4. 09:00 AM - Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. (Ray Krause)
5. 12:17 PM - Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
6. 12:25 PM - Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. (j.petersen32@yahoo.com)
7. 01:17 PM - Scott varnishing! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
8. 01:38 PM - Directions for Toolstock (Barry Davis)
9. 01:41 PM - Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. (Barry Davis)
10. 01:44 PM - Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. (THOMAS.233327)
11. 01:58 PM - Re: Scott varnishing! (Scott Knowlton)
12. 02:11 PM - Re: Scott varnishing! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
13. 05:52 PM - Re: Directions for Toolstock (tools)
14. 05:56 PM - antenna location (Steven Dortch)
15. 08:17 PM - Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. (Ray Krause)
16. 08:25 PM - Re: antenna location (taildrags)
17. 08:50 PM - Re: setting up a Push to talk intercom (taildrags)
18. 08:51 PM - Re: setting up a Push to talk intercom (taildrags)
19. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: antenna location (Gary Boothe)
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| Subject: | Wing flex, the need for struts.. |
Who says we need wing struts, a little wing flex just adds to the beauty. Wi
th the proper engineering....
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918
Sorry, but I could not resist the beauty of this video. I guess we are still
learning from God's little creatures, the birds.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: No worry "kitting" for wing |
Used this approach to make all the parts for a pair of wings on my current project.
Was fun and very satisfying.
Made all the "master" pieces for one rib, got them all the way I wanted them, then
duplicated each piece as many times as needed.
Make two dozen "part A's", then two dozen "part B's", etc, etc, until they're all
done. Organized each part in separate ziplock bags, with labels.
After all the pieces were made, I used one Rib Jig, and made one rib per night.
In a month all the ribs were done.
The same methodology works well for other parts that need to be duplicated. Make
the first one, then make some more just like it. "Measure twice, cut a couple
dozen times."
Two related articles here, with some pictures:
www.eaa25.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/OnFinal201404.pdf
www.eaa25.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/OnFinal201403.pdf
Patrick Hoyt
N63PZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438445#438445
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| Subject: | Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. |
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| Subject: | Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. |
Thought they would roll it!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Boatright, Jeffrey <jeffboatright@emory.edu> w
rote:
>
> Geeze, parts of that video are so =C3=A2=82=AC=C2 dramatic (?) =C3=A2
=82=AC=C2 that it almost looks like CGI rather than a real crew flying
a real airplane. It=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s pretty amazing what the curren
t generation airliners can do when lightly loaded and without passengers.
>
>
> From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 10:50 AM
> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing flex, the need for struts..
>
>
> Who says we need wing struts, a little wing flex just adds to the beauty. W
ith the proper engineering....
>
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918
>
> Sorry, but I could not resist the beauty of this video. I guess we are sti
ll learning from God's little creatures, the birds.
>
> Ray Krause
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. |
Was hoping to see em roll it. What a graceful, beautiful aircraft! Way to g
o Boeing! What could possibly be coming next? Glen
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> Thought they would roll it!
>
> Ray Krause
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Boatright, Jeffrey <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
wrote:
>>
>> Geeze, parts of that video are so =C3=A2=82=AC=C2 dramatic (?) =C3=A2
=82=AC=C2 that it almost looks like CGI rather than a real crew flying
a real airplane. It=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s pretty amazing what the curren
t generation airliners can do when lightly loaded and without passengers.
>>
>>
>> From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 10:50 AM
>> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing flex, the need for struts..
>>
>>
>> Who says we need wing struts, a little wing flex just adds to the beauty.
With the proper engineering....
>>
>>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918
>>
>> Sorry, but I could not resist the beauty of this video. I guess we are st
ill learning from God's little creatures, the birds.
>>
>> Ray Krause
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. |
On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> Who says we need wing struts, a little wing flex just adds to the beauty. W
ith the proper engineering....
>
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918
>
> Sorry, but I could not resist the beauty of this video. I guess we are sti
ll learning from God's little creatures, the birds.
>
> Ray Krause
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Scott varnishing! |
You are SO right Scott! Your airframe comes to life with a coat of varni
sh and the character of the wood starts to shine thru!
When you start covering you go thru this same kind of experience. I rememb
er being sad that the woodwork was getting all covered up
but at the same time I was thrilled to see airfoil and airframe shapes comi
ng to life too!
(plus when you varnish it makes your house or garage smell like you just pu
rchased brand new hardwood furniture!!!!)
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | Directions for Toolstock |
Mike
I need the Google Maps street address for Toolstock. I am preparing detailed
directions for Gardiner.
Thanks
Barry
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| Subject: | Wing flex, the need for struts.. |
Like most Delta Pilots say: If I gotta be going.It better be
Boeing
BD
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing flex, the need for struts..
Who says we need wing struts, a little wing flex just adds to the
beauty. With the proper engineering....
<https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918>
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918
Sorry, but I could not resist the beauty of this video. I guess we are
still learning from God's little creatures, the birds.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. |
I was hoping they would! I was there and watching when -80 (707 prototype)
rolled over the Gold Cup Hydroplane Crowd of half a million soles or more!
With the Blue Angles doing their antics before and after, I did not realize
what I had just seen. My memory has that 707 really low(now that I know mo
re), like 200-300 feet agl! It actually was on the "Show Line", the same di
stance from the crowd as the Blue Angels were doing multiple rolls several
hundred feet away from the crowd, but it's size made it look a lot closer!
That was the mid fifties, I know it was before I got a drivers license at 1
6 in 1958.
Tom Hale
Lurking here, building a Sonex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:59:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing flex, the need for struts..
Thought they would roll it!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Boatright, Jeffrey < jeffboatright@emory.edu >
wrote:
Geeze, parts of that video are so =C3=A2=82=AC=C2 dramatic (?) =C3=A2
=82=AC=C2 that it almost looks like CGI rather than a real crew flyin
g a real airplane. It=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s pretty amazing what the curr
ent generation airliners can do when lightly loaded and without passengers.
From: Ray Krause < raykrause@frontiernet.net >
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing flex, the need for struts..
<blockquote>
Who says we need wing struts, a little wing flex just adds to the beauty. W
ith the proper engineering....
<blockquote>
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918
Sorry, but I could not resist the beauty of this video. I guess we are stil
l learning from God's little creatures, the birds.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Scott varnishing! |
It is so ironic you sent me that photo. It is posted in my shop under a pla
stic protective liner for motivation! I forgot that was your bird!!
Couple shots from my first coat on the upper fuselage.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:19 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners,
LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> You are SO right Scott! Your airframe comes to life with a coat of varn
ish and the character of the wood starts to shine thru!
>
> When you start covering you go thru this same kind of experience. I remem
ber being sad that the woodwork was getting all covered up
> but at the same time I was thrilled to see airfoil and airframe shapes com
ing to life too!
>
> (plus when you varnish it makes your house or garage smell like you just p
urchased brand new hardwood furniture!!!!)
>
> Mike C.
> Ohio
>
> <image001.jpg>
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| Subject: | Scott varnishing! |
Oh wow, very cool!!!!! I'm glad that photo motivated you Scott! You
know all of these photos will give you lots of fond memories
as time goes by too. I just ran across a bunch of old build photos and w
ow, it took me down memory lane.
Man is that ever looking good! Love it!
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Knowlton
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Scott varnishing!
It is so ironic you sent me that photo. It is posted in my shop under a pl
astic protective liner for motivation! I forgot that was your bird!!
Couple shots from my first coat on the upper fuselage.
[image.jpeg]
[image.jpeg]
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:19 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners,
LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov<mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>> wrote:
You are SO right Scott! Your airframe comes to life with a coat of varni
sh and the character of the wood starts to shine thru!
When you start covering you go thru this same kind of experience. I rememb
er being sad that the woodwork was getting all covered up
but at the same time I was thrilled to see airfoil and airframe shapes comi
ng to life too!
(plus when you varnish it makes your house or garage smell like you just pu
rchased brand new hardwood furniture!!!!)
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Directions for Toolstock |
335 castlerock Ln
Chickamauga GA 30707
Just north of 9a5
Looking forward to seeing you all!
Tools
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| Subject: | antenna location |
What is the conventional wisdom of handheld radio antenna location. I have
the antenna extension "kit" for my ICOM A21.
I am also looking for a place to mount the radio itself. It is a long
thing. When I get into the cockpit there are few places to mount the radio.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Wing flex, the need for struts.. |
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| Subject: | Re: antenna location |
Well, Steve, the answer you're going to get is, "it depends". Mostly on your cockpit
layout, in my opinion, as far as the radio itself. You'll also get lots
of ideas on the antenna, but I haven't had good luck with the remote VHF COMM
whip in the empennage behind the pilot's seat. The rubber ducky antenna that
came with my Icom A23 has given me the best signal.
In my cockpit, I have throttle and carb heat knobs on the left so there is no place
to put the radio over there. The right side is probably the best, but my
fuel shutoff valve is at the bottom corner of the instrument panel on that side
so I can't get too low with the radio or it will block ready access to the
fuel shutoff. I'm going to fabricate a sheet aluminum bracket going by the little
plan that I got from Bill Rewey (he used to sell a bunch of different details
and plans for accessories for Piets and the radio holder was one of them).
It will place the radio just below the cockpit coaming on the right side of
the cockpit with the rubber ducky sticking out and the digital readout and radio
buttons angled where I can see them and get to them. Somebody (Jack? Gary?)
has their radio installed up in the underside of the wing centersection, a
really slick setup if you use a standard panel mount COM rather than a handheld.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: setting up a Push to talk intercom |
Steve; I have an older (MUCH older) Sigtronics 2-place portable intercom. Not
sure which model you have, but my guess is that they are all going to be quite
similar. You can get wiring diagrams from the Sigtronics website. Check this
one out:
http://www.sigtronics.com/_pdf/air_pdf/air_intercom_pdf/perm2way.pdf
Don't panic... you don't have to be a Radioman First Class to read it... you infantry
grunts can just scroll down and you'll find pictures ;o)
Right now, I only have a PTT on the pilot's stick, so the front-seater can only
listen, not talk. However, my Sigtronics has a switch that kills the front-seater's
mic. When it gets busy on the radio or you don't want distractions, you
flip that switch and it's just you and ATC. The front-seater still hears
the chatter, but he can't cut in or be heard.
I got tired of fiddling with Velcro-attach PTT switches with their coiled cords
and extra stuff, so I went ahead and bought a plain and simple Ray Allen G101
stick grip, which has a nice foam handgrip and a single momentary PTT "pickle
switch" button at your thumb, and hard-wired it. None of this F-4 Phantom stick
grip stuff with buttons, Chinese hats, bomb releases, arm switches, and all
sorts of knobs on it. I routed the shielded PTT wire down inside the stick,
out the bottom, and secured to the walking beam that connects the front and back
sticks. The wire goes forward, up the aft side of the front seat, into the
instrument area behind the panel, and then over to where the handheld goes.
I was tired of having a bunch of loose wires everywhere in the cockpit when I
wanted to use the radio.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: setting up a Push to talk intercom |
Steve: my apologies. I failed to notice your requirement that the intercom not
be voice activated. Mine is. The PTT is only for radio transmission. Sorry...
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: antenna location |
Not me, Oscar. I don't even know how to spell RADIO. I have an old Icom that I'm
struggling with...
Gary
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:24 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well, Steve, the answer you're going to get is, "it depends". Mostly on your
cockpit layout, in my opinion, as far as the radio itself. You'll also get lots
of ideas on the antenna, but I haven't had good luck with the remote VHF COMM
whip in the empennage behind the pilot's seat. The rubber ducky antenna that
came with my Icom A23 has given me the best signal.
>
> In my cockpit, I have throttle and carb heat knobs on the left so there is no
place to put the radio over there. The right side is probably the best, but
my fuel shutoff valve is at the bottom corner of the instrument panel on that
side so I can't get too low with the radio or it will block ready access to the
fuel shutoff. I'm going to fabricate a sheet aluminum bracket going by the
little plan that I got from Bill Rewey (he used to sell a bunch of different details
and plans for accessories for Piets and the radio holder was one of them).
It will place the radio just below the cockpit coaming on the right side
of the cockpit with the rubber ducky sticking out and the digital readout and
radio buttons angled where I can see them and get to them. Somebody (Jack? Gary?)
has their radio installed up in the underside of the wing centersection,
a really slick setup if you use a standard panel mount COM rather than a handheld.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438469#438469
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