---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/21/15: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:19 AM - Pietenpol Rib Building [Video] (Riegerb) 2. 11:30 AM - Re: Pietenpol Rib Building [Video] (Ray Krause) 3. 02:01 PM - New member and a few questions already (Andy Garrett) 4. 02:44 PM - Re: Pietenpol Rib Building [Video] (CatDesigns) 5. 06:07 PM - Re: Pietenpol Rib Building [Video] (Gary Boothe) 6. 08:29 PM - Re: New member and a few questions already (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Rib Building [Video] From: "Riegerb" A sped-up time-lapse video of my dad building a rib for the Pietenpol. Now do it 32x fast! =) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI59zR2rIsI&feature=youtu.be Brian -------- riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438555#438555 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:30 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Rib Building [Video] Neat! Keep up the good work. Only about five years to go! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Riegerb wrote: > > > A sped-up time-lapse video of my dad building a rib for the Pietenpol. Now do it 32x fast! =) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI59zR2rIsI&feature=youtu.be > > > Brian > > -------- > riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438555#438555 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: New member and a few questions already From: "Andy Garrett" Hi there, I'm Andy Garrett from Haysville, KS (suburb of Wichita). I recently sold my TEAM Airbike which I owned for a year, but did not build. At 6'2" and 255lbs, the little Rotax 447 was just not enough to get acceptable performance. I am now in possession of a new set of Pietenpol Air Camper plans with all the options, manual, the works. I also have Chet Peek's book The Pietenpol Story, and have poured over the Pietenpol website with a good email exchange with Andrerw Pietenpol--great guy. I also ordered William Wynn's Corvair conversion manual, but have not yet received it. I (like Andrew Pietenpol it seems) have completed a plans built mahogany boat designed by Glen L. Witt of Glen-L Marine. Thus, I have considerable experience with wood working tools, epoxies, paints and coatings, etc. So, I have confidence that my craftsmanship will be up to par. My questions are based on things I've read on a variety of websites and forums about the Piet. First: I will build the Air Camper as a single seat ship with a generous baggage compartment where the front seat would normally be. Second: I would like to entertain the possibility of a wider fuselage--just a few inches. To simplify this mod, I would like to widen the center section of the three-piece wing by an equal amount (I saw a widened center section on the 'West Coast Pietenpol' website). This might also allow for a slightly larger wing tank which appeals to me. I want long-legged cross country capability in this craft. Third: CG questions plague my mind with such a setup. Do I leave the rear seat where it is and make cabane angle adjustments? Should I make longer cabane struts to allow for this and to keep the pilot access flap out of my face? Forth: At my weight, do I target the 120HP Corvair for best climb performance or is this excessive for the mount/firewall? Finally: I want to keep usable load as high as possible, so I am leaning toward a built-up 'I' beam type spar as there is a considerable amount of information on this type available for homebuilts in general. Does anyone herein have experience with this method? I know I do not care for the idea of routing spars. I have yet to decide on gear type, but I'm leaning toward whatever is lightest with tall thin wheels. Sorry for my lack of brevity. I'm just eager to get some of these issues resolved in my mind so I can see the long path ahead and get started. Thanks for any and all assistance. -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438558#438558 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:56 PM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Rib Building [Video] Brian Wish I would have thought to have had my dad build the ribs. Would have been much quicker in the long run. It was nice meeting you and your dad at Ray's house. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Riegerb Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Rib Building [Video] --> A sped-up time-lapse video of my dad building a rib for the Pietenpol. Now do it 32x fast! =) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI59zR2rIsI&feature=youtu.be Brian -------- riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438555#438555 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:40 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Rib Building [Video] The right amount of coffee will do that, too. Nice job! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CatDesigns Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:44 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Rib Building [Video] Brian Wish I would have thought to have had my dad build the ribs. Would have been much quicker in the long run. It was nice meeting you and your dad at Ray's house. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Riegerb Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Rib Building [Video] --> A sped-up time-lapse video of my dad building a rib for the Pietenpol. Now do it 32x fast! =) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI59zR2rIsI&feature=youtu.be Brian -------- riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438555#438555 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New member and a few questions already From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com Hi Andy,welcome! My name is Glen. I've recently started an Aerial, the biplane version of the pietenpol developed by Chad Wille. I too plan to use a WW Corvair conversion. I had originally planned on the 120HP but have since decided to go with the 110HP instead. The 120 requires machine work on heads and case to use larger diameter cylinders. I don't want to pay shipping to Florida and back to have that done. I have widened the fuse on mine as well. It is 30" wide. My sister wants to ride and is a bit wider than a 13" wide seat would comfortably accomodate. There are a few other cosmetic mods, but you'll find that no two pietenpol "snowflakes" are alike. Mr. Pietenpol designed a very rugged Airplane. When using the Corvair engine you'll be building a stretched fuse for CG reasons(see West Coast Piet site). So many of these airplanes have been built over the past 85 years that many successful changes have been made. Realize that every change will effect something else. Have more experienced people check your ideas and work. ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS...this forum has lots of very knowledgable members. No such thing as a dumb question . Look in the archives as well. Your question has probably been asked and answered before. Sorry to ramble. Again,welcome,and enjoy your build. You'll be surprised at how fast components become identifiable as airplane parts. I've been working on mine for three week ends. By quitin time tomorrow, fuse will be boxed. All the best, Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 21, 2015, at 2:01 PM, "Andy Garrett" wrote: > > > Hi there, > > I'm Andy Garrett from Haysville, KS (suburb of Wichita). I recently sold my TEAM Airbike which I owned for a year, but did not build. At 6'2" and 255lbs, the little Rotax 447 was just not enough to get acceptable performance. > > I am now in possession of a new set of Pietenpol Air Camper plans with all the options, manual, the works. I also have Chet Peek's book The Pietenpol Story, and have poured over the Pietenpol website with a good email exchange with Andrerw Pietenpol--great guy. > > I also ordered William Wynn's Corvair conversion manual, but have not yet received it. > > I (like Andrew Pietenpol it seems) have completed a plans built mahogany boat designed by Glen L. Witt of Glen-L Marine. Thus, I have considerable experience with wood working tools, epoxies, paints and coatings, etc. So, I have confidence that my craftsmanship will be up to par. > > My questions are based on things I've read on a variety of websites and forums about the Piet. > > First: I will build the Air Camper as a single seat ship with a generous baggage compartment where the front seat would normally be. > > Second: I would like to entertain the possibility of a wider fuselage--just a few inches. To simplify this mod, I would like to widen the center section of the three-piece wing by an equal amount (I saw a widened center section on the 'West Coast Pietenpol' website). This might also allow for a slightly larger wing tank which appeals to me. I want long-legged cross country capability in this craft. > > Third: CG questions plague my mind with such a setup. Do I leave the rear seat where it is and make cabane angle adjustments? Should I make longer cabane struts to allow for this and to keep the pilot access flap out of my face? > > Forth: At my weight, do I target the 120HP Corvair for best climb performance or is this excessive for the mount/firewall? > > Finally: I want to keep usable load as high as possible, so I am leaning toward a built-up 'I' beam type spar as there is a considerable amount of information on this type available for homebuilts in general. Does anyone herein have experience with this method? I know I do not care for the idea of routing spars. > > I have yet to decide on gear type, but I'm leaning toward whatever is lightest with tall thin wheels. > > Sorry for my lack of brevity. I'm just eager to get some of these issues resolved in my mind so I can see the long path ahead and get started. > > Thanks for any and all assistance. > > -------- > Andy Garrett > 'General Purpose Creative Dude' > Haysville, Kansas > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438558#438558 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.