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1. 06:14 AM - Re: a few words about dihedral (jarheadpilot82)
2. 08:32 AM - Re: A couple of questions about wing construction (Andy Garrett)
3. 08:42 AM - Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (jarheadpilot82)
4. 08:51 AM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (Gary Boothe)
5. 09:11 AM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (Fastnaught John)
6. 09:53 AM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
7. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: A couple of questions about wing construction (Gary Boothe)
8. 11:07 AM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (Jack Philips)
9. 11:57 AM - Re: a few words about dihedral (tkreiner)
10. 12:39 PM - Re: a few words about dihedral (Andy Garrett)
11. 02:28 PM - Re: fun fly-in, piets invited (Baldeagle)
12. 03:47 PM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (Charles N. Campbell)
13. 08:31 PM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (jim hyde)
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| Subject: | Re: a few words about dihedral |
Mike'
I like Point 6 the best.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
Wow! Gary's Piet is stunning! Love the wood struts!
Well done sir! (Watched your Youtube videos.)
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the writer suggests
that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings without the word
"experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b to show any FAA inspector
who questions them on it.
In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced the
font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the NX markings
on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it comes from
a DAR.
Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072
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| Subject: | Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
Thanks, Terry. I have NX markings without "experimental", and the FAA
inspector was ambivalent about that. Sooner or later I'll run into one who
isn't...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes
--> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the
writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings
without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b
to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it.
In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced
the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the
NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it
comes from a DAR.
Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
Terry and Gary and others,
I just got my Airworthiness inspection a couple of weeks ago. I went through the
same discussion with the DAR and the FAA. I have X in the number and dont have
experimental on the airplane. Having a copy of the FAR in the airplane is just
a good idea. I have one mine.
The only problem is adjusting the weight and balance for the paperwork ;0)
Jack
> On Mar 5, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
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> Thanks, Terry. I have NX markings without "experimental", and the FAA
> inspector was ambivalent about that. Sooner or later I'll run into one who
> isn't...
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jarheadpilot82
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:42 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes
>
> --> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the
> writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings
> without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b
> to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it.
>
> In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced
> the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the
> NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it
> comes from a DAR.
>
> Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072
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>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf
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| Subject: | Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
Good reminder Terry and good attachment to the post.
Back in 1998 when my FAA/MIDO inspector came out to do my airworthiness ins
pection I printed out a copy of the FAR that allows
for the NX and he was surprised to learn about that hidden gem.
One item with using NX is that the X appears nowhere in the FAA records so
when registering or looking up, selling or buying the X doesn't
have any role----it is only an aircraft marking that takes the place of the
big, now unnecessary EXPERIMENTAL.
Good post.
Mike C.
[cid:image001.jpg@01D05743.5B90DC70]
[cid:image002.jpg@01D05743.5B90DC70]
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
Thanks, Andy. You are very kind!
Yes, I get a lot of compliments at the airport, but I find that all very
humbling as I consider myself fortunate beyond measure for having the
opportunity to build this plane. There are so many who, for various reasons,
do not have the time, money, situation, etc., will never have that
opportunity, or may take an incredibly long time to completion. I'm
currently re-building a damaged Baby Ace, which grew up in the same era as
the Piet, but just doesn't seem to have the same mystique.
I'm sure I asked my share of questions to this list, but found that
searching through the archives yielded hours' worth of good reading that
would often take me in directions that were unrelated but equally useful.
Same for westcoatpiet. Looking through all those pictures helped me to
quickly solidify an opinion about what I liked and what I didn't; rounded
corners on the tail parts, or not; tall wheels?; taller cabanes, or
turtledeck? Deck angle? Cowling appearance? The list goes on...
Color choice is something that will come sooner or later, but I think the
building process needs to be started with your vision of aesthetics, if that
is important to you.
I look forward to hearing of your progress,
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Garrett
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A couple of questions about wing construction
--> <andy_garrett@live.com>
Wow! Gary's Piet is stunning! Love the wood struts!
Well done sir! (Watched your Youtube videos.)
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
That's exactly what I did. I didn't have a DAR, but an inspector from the
FSDO, whom I thought should know the regs. Just in case I carried a copy of
the FARs with that one highlighted. Good thing I did. When he challenged
me, I just showed him the book and he grunted and said "learn something new
every day".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
(Where yesterday it was 61 degrees and today is snowing. Low tonight is
forecast to be 17. Gotta love a Southern Winter)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes
--> < <mailto:jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the
writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings
without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b
to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it.
In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced
the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the
NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it
comes from a DAR.
Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072
Attachments:
<http://forums.matronics.com/files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf>
http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: a few words about dihedral |
File under FWIW...
The Vertical component of lift for a 1 dihedral angle, expressed as a percentage
is 99.98%.
Just my .02%!
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: a few words about dihedral |
I don't know how adding dihedral could irritate the purists. It says to add some
to the three piece wing right in the 'official' manual.
*SNAP* The three piece wing must not be pure either. [Shocked]
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: fun fly-in, piets invited |
Here's the web site Douwe, and the field isn't closed during the fly-in, open for
normal operations. Should be another fun time this year-
http://www.barnstormingcarnival.com/
-
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do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
Terry, thanks for the post. I copied the FAR and plan to keep it in the
same place with the other paper work. I just today sent off the paperwork
to get my Piet registered. It will be NX10003. I have had the 10003
reserved for a few years. It was the lowest all-number registration
available when I reserved it. Am getting excited about the possibility of
finishing my plane, getting it inspected, and flying it for the first time
before the snow flies next winter. Notice that I said, "Possibility!"
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
wrote:
> That's exactly what I did. I didn't have a DAR, but an inspector from the
> FSDO, whom I thought should know the regs. Just in case I carried a copy
> of the FARs with that one highlighted. Good thing I did. When he
> challenged me, I just showed him the book and he grunted and said "learn
> something new every day".
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> N*X*899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> (Where yesterday it was 61 degrees and today is snowing. Low tonight is
> forecast to be 17. Gotta love a Southern Winter)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82
> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:42 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes
>
>
>
> --> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
>
> In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the
> writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings
> without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b
> to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it.
>
>
> In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced
> the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the
> NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it
> comes from a DAR.
>
>
> Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it.
>
>
> --------
>
> Semper Fi,
>
>
> Terry Hand
>
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072
>
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf
> <http://forums.matronics.com/files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
those people are the bottom feeders in aviation. they are lazy and brain de
ad.=C2- why else would anyone take a gov. job when they can do so much be
tter out in the real world and not have to tell friends and family that the
y work for the gov.
me
On Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:53 PM, Charles N. Campbell <charlescampbe
ll1924@gmail.com> wrote:
Terry, thanks for the post.=C2- I copied the FAR and plan to keep it in
the same place with the other paper work.=C2- I just today sent off the p
aperwork to get my Piet registered.=C2- It will be NX10003.=C2- I have
had the 10003 reserved for a few years.=C2- It was the lowest all-number
registration available when I reserved it.=C2- Am getting excited about t
he possibility of finishing my plane, getting it inspected, and flying it f
or the first time before the snow flies next winter.=C2- Notice that I sa
id, "Possibility!" =C2-Chuck
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wro
te:
That's exactly what I did.=C2- I didn't have a DAR, but an inspector from
the FSDO, whom I thought should know the regs.=C2- Just in case I carrie
d a copy of the FARs with that one highlighted.=C2- Good thing I did.=C2
- When he challenged me, I just showed him the book and he grunted and sa
id "learn something new every day".=C2-Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain
Lake, Virginia(Where yesterday it was 61 degrees and today is snowing.=C2
- Low tonight is forecast to be 17.=C2- Gotta love a Southern Winter)
=C2-=C2------Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes
lot82@hotmail.com>=C2-In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask th
e DAR" section, the writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing t
he NX markings without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy
of CFR_45.22b to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it.=C2-In
case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced the
font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the NX
markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it c
omes from a DAR.=C2-Just thought I would save forum members the time of l
ooking for it.=C2---------Semper Fi,=C2-Terry HandAthens, GA=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-Read this topic online here:=C2-http://forums.matronics.co
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