---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/05/15: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:14 AM - Re: a few words about dihedral (jarheadpilot82) 2. 08:32 AM - Re: A couple of questions about wing construction (Andy Garrett) 3. 08:42 AM - Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (jarheadpilot82) 4. 08:51 AM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (Gary Boothe) 5. 09:11 AM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (Fastnaught John) 6. 09:53 AM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 7. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: A couple of questions about wing construction (Gary Boothe) 8. 11:07 AM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (Jack Philips) 9. 11:57 AM - Re: a few words about dihedral (tkreiner) 10. 12:39 PM - Re: a few words about dihedral (Andy Garrett) 11. 02:28 PM - Re: fun fly-in, piets invited (Baldeagle) 12. 03:47 PM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (Charles N. Campbell) 13. 08:31 PM - Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes (jim hyde) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a few words about dihedral From: "jarheadpilot82" Mike' I like Point 6 the best. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439069#439069 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A couple of questions about wing construction From: "Andy Garrett" Wow! Gary's Piet is stunning! Love the wood struts! Well done sir! (Watched your Youtube videos.) -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439071#439071 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes From: "jarheadpilot82" In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it. In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it comes from a DAR. Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:19 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes Thanks, Terry. I have NX markings without "experimental", and the FAA inspector was ambivalent about that. Sooner or later I'll run into one who isn't... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes --> In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it. In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it comes from a DAR. Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes From: Fastnaught John Terry and Gary and others, I just got my Airworthiness inspection a couple of weeks ago. I went through the same discussion with the DAR and the FAA. I have X in the number and dont have experimental on the airplane. Having a copy of the FAR in the airplane is just a good idea. I have one mine. The only problem is adjusting the weight and balance for the paperwork ;0) Jack > On Mar 5, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > Thanks, Terry. I have NX markings without "experimental", and the FAA > inspector was ambivalent about that. Sooner or later I'll run into one who > isn't... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jarheadpilot82 > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:42 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes > > --> > > In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the > writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings > without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b > to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it. > > In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced > the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the > NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it > comes from a DAR. > > Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:46 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes Good reminder Terry and good attachment to the post. Back in 1998 when my FAA/MIDO inspector came out to do my airworthiness ins pection I printed out a copy of the FAR that allows for the NX and he was surprised to learn about that hidden gem. One item with using NX is that the X appears nowhere in the FAA records so when registering or looking up, selling or buying the X doesn't have any role----it is only an aircraft marking that takes the place of the big, now unnecessary EXPERIMENTAL. Good post. Mike C. [cid:image001.jpg@01D05743.5B90DC70] [cid:image002.jpg@01D05743.5B90DC70] ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:43 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A couple of questions about wing construction Thanks, Andy. You are very kind! Yes, I get a lot of compliments at the airport, but I find that all very humbling as I consider myself fortunate beyond measure for having the opportunity to build this plane. There are so many who, for various reasons, do not have the time, money, situation, etc., will never have that opportunity, or may take an incredibly long time to completion. I'm currently re-building a damaged Baby Ace, which grew up in the same era as the Piet, but just doesn't seem to have the same mystique. I'm sure I asked my share of questions to this list, but found that searching through the archives yielded hours' worth of good reading that would often take me in directions that were unrelated but equally useful. Same for westcoatpiet. Looking through all those pictures helped me to quickly solidify an opinion about what I liked and what I didn't; rounded corners on the tail parts, or not; tall wheels?; taller cabanes, or turtledeck? Deck angle? Cowling appearance? The list goes on... Color choice is something that will come sooner or later, but I think the building process needs to be started with your vision of aesthetics, if that is important to you. I look forward to hearing of your progress, Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Garrett Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A couple of questions about wing construction --> Wow! Gary's Piet is stunning! Love the wood struts! Well done sir! (Watched your Youtube videos.) -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439071#439071 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:36 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes That's exactly what I did. I didn't have a DAR, but an inspector from the FSDO, whom I thought should know the regs. Just in case I carried a copy of the FARs with that one highlighted. Good thing I did. When he challenged me, I just showed him the book and he grunted and said "learn something new every day". Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia (Where yesterday it was 61 degrees and today is snowing. Low tonight is forecast to be 17. Gotta love a Southern Winter) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes --> < jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it. In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it comes from a DAR. Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a few words about dihedral From: "tkreiner" File under FWIW... The Vertical component of lift for a 1 dihedral angle, expressed as a percentage is 99.98%. Just my .02%! -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439085#439085 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a few words about dihedral From: "Andy Garrett" I don't know how adding dihedral could irritate the purists. It says to add some to the three piece wing right in the 'official' manual. *SNAP* The three piece wing must not be pure either. [Shocked] -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439088#439088 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fun fly-in, piets invited From: "Baldeagle" Here's the web site Douwe, and the field isn't closed during the fly-in, open for normal operations. Should be another fun time this year- http://www.barnstormingcarnival.com/ - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439091#439091 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes From: "Charles N. Campbell" Terry, thanks for the post. I copied the FAR and plan to keep it in the same place with the other paper work. I just today sent off the paperwork to get my Piet registered. It will be NX10003. I have had the 10003 reserved for a few years. It was the lowest all-number registration available when I reserved it. Am getting excited about the possibility of finishing my plane, getting it inspected, and flying it for the first time before the snow flies next winter. Notice that I said, "Possibility!" Chuck On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Jack Philips wrote: > That's exactly what I did. I didn't have a DAR, but an inspector from the > FSDO, whom I thought should know the regs. Just in case I carried a copy > of the FARs with that one highlighted. Good thing I did. When he > challenged me, I just showed him the book and he grunted and said "learn > something new every day". > > > Jack Phillips > > N*X*899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > (Where yesterday it was 61 degrees and today is snowing. Low tonight is > forecast to be 17. Gotta love a Southern Winter) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 > Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:42 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes > > > > --> > > > In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the > writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings > without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b > to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it. > > > In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced > the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the > NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it > comes from a DAR. > > > Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it. > > > -------- > > Semper Fi, > > > Terry Hand > > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072 > > > Attachments: > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:21 PM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes those people are the bottom feeders in aviation. they are lazy and brain de ad.=C2- why else would anyone take a gov. job when they can do so much be tter out in the real world and not have to tell friends and family that the y work for the gov. me On Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:53 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: Terry, thanks for the post.=C2- I copied the FAR and plan to keep it in the same place with the other paper work.=C2- I just today sent off the p aperwork to get my Piet registered.=C2- It will be NX10003.=C2- I have had the 10003 reserved for a few years.=C2- It was the lowest all-number registration available when I reserved it.=C2- Am getting excited about t he possibility of finishing my plane, getting it inspected, and flying it f or the first time before the snow flies next winter.=C2- Notice that I sa id, "Possibility!" =C2-Chuck On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Jack Philips wro te: That's exactly what I did.=C2- I didn't have a DAR, but an inspector from the FSDO, whom I thought should know the regs.=C2- Just in case I carrie d a copy of the FARs with that one highlighted.=C2- Good thing I did.=C2 - When he challenged me, I just showed him the book and he grunted and sa id "learn something new every day".=C2-Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia(Where yesterday it was 61 degrees and today is snowing.=C2 - Low tonight is forecast to be 17.=C2- Gotta love a Southern Winter) =C2-=C2------Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes lot82@hotmail.com>=C2-In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask th e DAR" section, the writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing t he NX markings without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it.=C2-In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the NX markings on my Pietenpol. 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