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1. 05:07 AM - Arch support question (nightmare)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: Basic Torch Safety (danhelsper@aol.com)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: Arch support question (Jack Philips)
4. 06:26 AM - FBG, Part Deux (jarheadpilot82)
5. 06:33 AM - Re: Arch support question (jarheadpilot82)
6. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Arch support question (Scott Knowlton)
7. 09:42 AM - BPA (Andy Garrett)
8. 11:30 AM - Re: Arch support question (nightmare)
9. 12:55 PM - Re: BPA (Steven Dortch)
10. 01:44 PM - Re: Arch support question (jarheadpilot82)
11. 01:48 PM - Re: BPA (Andy Garrett)
12. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: BPA (Steven Dortch)
13. 02:46 PM - Re: BPA (Andy Garrett)
14. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: BPA (Steven Dortch)
15. 03:28 PM - Re: BPA (Bill Church)
16. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: BPA (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
17. 08:09 PM - Re: BPA (Andy Garrett)
18. 08:36 PM - Re: Re: BPA (Greg Bacon)
19. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: BPA (Steven Dortch)
20. 10:04 PM - Re: BPA (William Wynne)
21. 10:40 PM - Re: aluminum welding troubles (William Wynne)
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Subject: | Arch support question |
was wondering what the most common method is of constructing the top of fuselage
arch support is. Was thinking of laminating several 1/8 Okume ply strips together
in a jig. I have some extra Okume. If going this route, should I account
for some spring back?
Or is just simply cutting the arch out of the face of a 3/4 inch ply also a good
way?
Couldn't find anything good in the search. But I also like getting the most
up to date way of thinking on it.
I've finally got most of cockpits done , brake pedals, throttle linkage, part
of door opening, seats etc. fairing strips on side fuselage, tail feathers,
and tailwheel. Starting to look like a plane now, can't wait to see how it looks
when I finish the top of fuselage!
Thanks, Paul
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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Subject: | Re: Basic Torch Safety |
Here's another thing to avoid. I was at A & P school 1973. It was the final welding
test for the practical exam. I was so preoccupied with getting on to the
welding assignment I neglected to tighten the hoses to the torch body with the
wrench. About half way through I had my face down close to the welding, and all
of a sudden there was a horrific BANG! right in my face. Thankfully only some
hair singed. I dodged a bullet that day. Only good thing was my hand was shaking
just right after that so as to make perfect dimes!
Dan Helsper
Loensloe Airfield
Puryear, TN
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From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 10, 2015 8:08 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Basic Torch Safety
<gboothe5@comcast.net>
Thanks, Tom.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:49 PM
To:
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Basic Torch Safety
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Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
Recently, I
observed, and intervened in a situation that could have become
dangerous - even
deadly.
A number of us were working on equipment when one of the guys was
about to
begin brazing a cast iron piece, and upon lighting his torch, we heard
a
series of Pops. The sound was staccato - almost like low intensity
machine
gun fire, prompting me to immediately shut off both the Ox and
acetylene.
The Popping ceased moments later...
What was occurring was due to
several factors, including: a runaway
acetylene regulator, faulty check
valves, and, last but not least, bad
O-Rings inside the torch handle.
The
issue with the regulator was solved by Welding Supply to the tune of
$140 for a
new regulator. Since they were out of the check valves, we
removed them from
the torch handle, and continued on.
While troubleshooting, we noted that
the torch tip wasn't flowing gas -- so
with tank valves turned off - I wrapped
my hand around it and attempted to
remove it from the handle. As many of you
know - or should know - Victor
100 torches, including all their clones like the
Uniweld, and Harbor Freight
torches - use two O-Rings to seal the gases from
one another and, since they
are compliant seals, the tip is to be HAND
TIGHTENED ONLY.
The torch in question not only had a wrench tightened tip,
the O-Rings were
cut, allowing the gases to mix INSIDE THE HANDLE... Exactly
why the O-Rings
were added to the design in the first place; to eliminate
mixing within the
handle!
In the pic you'll see the handle end of the torch
tip - where it enters the
torch handle, along with the two O-Rings. The
O-Rings themselves are
metric, and they are available from Amazon at this
link:
http://www.amazon.com/Uniweld-TXRK-Tip-O-Ring-Repair/dp/B00FI1JM9G
I've
also located the same O-Rings in Viton, which should cost a whopping 3
cents
more each, assuming we can buy then in the right volume. I'm
attempting to get
a quotation on 300 pieces of each to keep on hand in my
shop and supply to
anyone needing some for their torch collection.
Now - please make sure your
torch is ready to go, and if you have any issues
that don't seem right, STOP.
Figure out what the issue is, or take your rig
to a competent welding supply
shop. They will assist at no cost for
trouble shooting.
If, on the other
hand, like the torch above, and the 8 torch tips in my own
collection, which
had cracked O-Rings.... Upgrade now and ensure that anyone
using your torch is
using a tool that's not going to hurt them.
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Tom
Kreiner
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Subject: | Arch support question |
Paul, there are any number of ways to do it, as you mentioned. I'm happy
with the method I chose, which was to laminate the bows from strips of 1/16"
thick sitka spruce, glued together around a form made of particle board.
The bows are very light and incredibly stiff and strong. Here are a couple
of pictures:
I made a total of 5 of them - one behind the firewall, one supporting the
rear of the baggage compartment, one supporting the front instrument panel,
one at the front seatback and one supporting the rear instrument panel.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Arch support question
--> < <mailto:pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
was wondering what the most common method is of constructing the top of
fuselage arch support is. Was thinking of laminating several 1/8 Okume ply
strips together in a jig. I have some extra Okume. If going this route,
should I account for some spring back?
Or is just simply cutting the arch out of the face of a 3/4 inch ply also a
good way?
Couldn't find anything good in the search. But I also like getting the
most up to date way of thinking on it.
I've finally got most of cockpits done , brake pedals, throttle linkage,
part of door opening, seats etc. fairing strips on side fuselage, tail
feathers, and tailwheel. Starting to look like a plane now, can't wait to
see how it looks when I finish the top of fuselage!
Thanks, Paul
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I know that Kevin would not likely do so, so I have taken it upon myself to provide
a link showing his repair. The quality looks awesome!
The workmanship is great, the humor still shines through ("Axel, the pond. The
pond."), and his engine looks great with the new exhaust. I can't wait to see
it flying.
Just wanted everyone to see what a nice repair looks like. Hats off to you, Kevin!
http://flycorvair.net/2015/03/13/current-corvair-instalation-in-a-pietenpol-pt-1/
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: Arch support question |
Paul,
Look at the pictures of Kevin Purtee's repair by clicking on the following link-
http://flycorvair.net/2015/03/13/current-corvair-instalation-in-a-pietenpol-pt-1/
Is that what you are talking about in picture #4? The area between the rear instrument
and the back of the front seat?
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: Arch support question |
A couple of pics for another example of the same.
The laminating is fun, easy and strong once the instrument board and seat ba
ck are glued on.
Scott Knowlton
Burlington
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> On Mar 13, 2015, at 9:35 AM, "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
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> Paul,
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> Look at the pictures of Kevin Purtee's repair by clicking on the following
link-
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> http://flycorvair.net/2015/03/13/current-corvair-instalation-in-a-pietenpo
l-pt-1/
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> Is that what you are talking about in picture #4? The area between the rea
r instrument and the back of the front seat?
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> Semper Fi,
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> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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I sent my check for membership to the BPA more than a month ago. It has not been
cashed, and I have not been contacted in any way.
The website is still showing the cover of a newsletter more than a year old.
Has this assn gone dormant?
I had planned to order several of the publications they list and sell, but I am
reluctant to send another check not knowing if anyone is on the other end.
Is this type of delayed response and out-of-date website condition common for the
BPA, or is something amiss? I'm not judging--just trying to get a feel for
what to expect.
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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Subject: | Re: Arch support question |
thanks guys. after further review of the plans...dugh, looks like ill be building
mine that way (like Kevins). my eyeball engineering surely would have thought
a little more structure was needed. guess not. thnks guys.
also. any idea how Kevin got that very cool lettering done? sticker?
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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Andy, you have elected to build a Pietenpol. That won't happen fast. have
some patience. It will prepare you for cross country flights in your
Pietenpol.
I just dropped my dues in the mail box 10 min ago.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Andy Garrett <andy_garrett@live.com>
wrote:
> andy_garrett@live.com>
>
> I sent my check for membership to the BPA more than a month ago. It has
> not been cashed, and I have not been contacted in any way.
>
> The website is still showing the cover of a newsletter more than a year
> old.
>
> Has this assn gone dormant?
>
> I had planned to order several of the publications they list and sell, but
> I am reluctant to send another check not knowing if anyone is on the other
> end.
>
> Is this type of delayed response and out-of-date website condition common
> for the BPA, or is something amiss? I'm not judging--just trying to get a
> feel for what to expect.
>
> --------
> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Arch support question |
PM him.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Just curious.
I guess I'm just eager to apply all the facts and opinions to my developing understanding
of what is to come. Having that information at my disposal is required
for that understanding. Besides, the rather philisophical writings of William
Wynn are central to my corvair-powered Piet build, and he is quite passionate
in his distain for the idea of 'waiting'. [Wink]
Just can't read and learn enough right now. [Shocked]
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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Andy, another site with lots of great info is the bowersflybaby.com site.
many ideas and tips that crossover to Piets.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Andy Garrett <andy_garrett@live.com> wrote:
> andy_garrett@live.com>
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> Just curious.
>
> I guess I'm just eager to apply all the facts and opinions to my
> developing understanding of what is to come. Having that information at my
> disposal is required for that understanding. Besides, the rather
> philisophical writings of William Wynn are central to my corvair-powered
> Piet build, and he is quite passionate in his distain for the idea of
> 'waiting'. [Wink]
>
> Just can't read and learn enough right now. [Shocked]
>
> --------
> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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That is a great site! Looking it over was inspiring, as many of those Fly Baby
guys and gals choose to 'theme' their planes with WWI livery--several with faux
Spandau machine guns on the cowling. I intend something similar.
Fun attitudes over there as well, and as you said, plenty of crossover information.
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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if you like that, look up the Faker Fokker.
A pietenpol with a tail modified to look like a Fokker
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Andy Garrett <andy_garrett@live.com> wrote:
> andy_garrett@live.com>
>
> That is a great site! Looking it over was inspiring, as many of those Fly
> Baby guys and gals choose to 'theme' their planes with WWI livery--several
> with faux Spandau machine guns on the cowling. I intend something similar.
>
> Fun attitudes over there as well, and as you said, plenty of crossover
> information.
>
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> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Andy,
No, the association has not "gone dormant."
There was a bit of a disruption in the publishing of the newsletter after Doc and
Dee Mosher handed over the reins to John Hofmann about a year ago. However,
it seems that those troubles are now in the past. The latest issue of the newsletter
is currently being delivered by the post office.
A revamped website is in the works. Word has it that online dues payment will
be a welcome new feature.
However, I'm not sure about your comment about "publications they list and sell".
Doc compiled a list of useful books, but those books are available through
the EAA, not the BPA.
http://www.pietenpols.org/id1.html
Bill C.
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Hey Andy
You'll also want to check out Kansas City dawn patrol website. One of the original
members (Marvin Story) developed, an had plans for an oxy acetylene fired
faux machine gun on their site.
You mentioned possibly a WWI derivative? What are you dreaming up(tell me yours
and I'll tell ya mine)
Glen. Aerial in progress(fuse off the bench tail
feathers and rear pit seat this weekend)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 13, 2015, at 2:46 PM, "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett@live.com> wrote:
>
>
> That is a great site! Looking it over was inspiring, as many of those Fly Baby
guys and gals choose to 'theme' their planes with WWI livery--several with faux
Spandau machine guns on the cowling. I intend something similar.
>
> Fun attitudes over there as well, and as you said, plenty of crossover information.
>
> --------
> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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Thanks for the clarification Bill. I'll grab those from EAA then.
Glen, I'm not planning any 'cloning' really--just a 'flavor'.
I'll have what is essentially a solo cockpit due to my body weight of 255-260 (no
gear). The forward cockpit will be baggage and maybe a lot of fuel (still haven't
made my decision on a wing tank). It will have a removable hard cover with
fake guns mounted to it.
The engine will be a high mount Corvair with a spinner and eyebrows outside a narrow
cowling. No tail changes, but colors will be German with a nod to my time
with the 101st Airborne Division.
That's my daydream vision this month. It may evolve.
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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Hey Andy! Glad to see another 101st vet. I was in the 1-101st Attack
Helicopter Battalion "Expect No Mercy!"
:-)
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Andy Garrett <andy_garrett@live.com>
wrote:
> andy_garrett@live.com>
>
> Thanks for the clarification Bill. I'll grab those from EAA then.
> Glen, I'm not planning any 'cloning' really--just a 'flavor'.
> I'll have what is essentially a solo cockpit due to my body weight of
> 255-260 (no gear). The forward cockpit will be baggage and maybe a lot of
> fuel (still haven't made my decision on a wing tank). It will have a
> removable hard cover with fake guns mounted to it.
> The engine will be a high mount Corvair with a spinner and eyebrows
> outside a narrow cowling. No tail changes, but colors will be German with a
> nod to my time with the 101st Airborne Division.
> That's my daydream vision this month. It may evolve.
>
> --------
> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439347#439347
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>
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Greg Bacon
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My buddy/mentor Lew Mason has this WWI look alike, he calls der chicken
flieger.
http://www.35.eaachapter.org/apps/photos/
He now has a gun ring he mounts (for static display only) behind the pilot
hole. I looks like a Bosche with a picklehaube helment and a Spandau.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Andy! Glad to see another 101st vet. I was in the 1-101st Attack
> Helicopter Battalion "Expect No Mercy!"
>
> :-)
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Andy Garrett <andy_garrett@live.com>
> wrote:
>
>> andy_garrett@live.com>
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification Bill. I'll grab those from EAA then.
>> Glen, I'm not planning any 'cloning' really--just a 'flavor'.
>> I'll have what is essentially a solo cockpit due to my body weight of
>> 255-260 (no gear). The forward cockpit will be baggage and maybe a lot of
>> fuel (still haven't made my decision on a wing tank). It will have a
>> removable hard cover with fake guns mounted to it.
>> The engine will be a high mount Corvair with a spinner and eyebrows
>> outside a narrow cowling. No tail changes, but colors will be German with a
>> nod to my time with the 101st Airborne Division.
>> That's my daydream vision this month. It may evolve.
>>
>> --------
>> Andy Garrett
>> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
>> Haysville, Kansas
>>
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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Steve D
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We got back from CC#32 and found a very nice new issue of the newsletter in the
mailbox. Special thanks to Dowe, Ken and all the others who made material contributions
to it.
Andy, welcome aboard. While I have made a lot of comments about not waiting, I
am mostly speaking of the people who will get started 'some day.' As pointed out
by others, some patience and understanding goes a long way in traditional homebuilding.
The key to not 'waiting' once you have gotten started is to find
ways to make effective progress when waiting on one element. My actual golden
rule of homebuilding is "Persistence Pays." Your project will present at least
1,000 opportunities to call it quits. To finish, all you have to do is master
the phrase "I can always quit tomorrow" and keep chugging along.
Even when the newsletter is set to 'High Blower' it still only comes out every
120 days. If you are thirsty, consider ordering a set of back issues direct from
Doc and Dee. You will have a large pile of timeless content, and they are a
good way to get to know a bit about many of the most prolific contributors here.
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Subject: | Re: aluminum welding troubles |
As Ken and Barry pointed out, .050" is plenty thick for anyone who knows what they
are doing to weld. So is .040". If you tour the Zenith factory you can see
countless leak free wing tanks welded from .025", all done with normal Tig machines,
by mortals.
Keep in mind: Never weld mounting tabs on the tank, always use straps to mount
it - Try to avoid any butt weld on a tank - If you are having a welder do it for
you (good idea) bring him a pound of 1/16" 4043 rods so he isn't tempted to
just try the rods he has laying around.
I have welded about 150 Corvair oil pans from .050". If you would like to see what
the welds look like, here is an 11 year old story with good pictures.
http://www.flycorvair.com/601March2004.html -ww.
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