---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/16/15: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:54 AM - Ford Model A Question (Pietflyer1977) 2. 05:30 AM - Re: Log time listener first time caller (Jack) 3. 06:36 AM - Re: Log time listener first time caller (William Wynne) 4. 07:49 AM - Re: Log time listener first time caller (Steven Dortch) 5. 11:13 AM - Re: engine mount (Andy Garrett) 6. 04:34 PM - Re: engine mount (airlion2@gmail.com) 7. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: engine mount (airlion2@gmail.com) 8. 05:36 PM - Re: engine mount (GNflyer) 9. 09:49 PM - Wind Chill - 120mph, 35 degrees, raining, shirtless.... (William Wynne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Model A Question From: "Pietflyer1977" I am looking for the springs that go on top of the Model A block that hold the engine block to the wood bearers. Does anyone have a source or part number of what they have used? I have checked with local hardware stores, McMaster Carr, MSC, etc. everybody has springs but not the correct size. Dia. Is too big, coil size to big, etc. smaller ones that I have found that would work are too weak and not strong enough. Any leads would be apprecaited. Thanks Rob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439429#439429 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Log time listener first time caller From: Jack Both engines can be reliable if built and maintained correctly. My pick wou ld be the 0200, sorry Corvair folks... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Mar 15, 2015, at 1:50 PM, bluepilot5@yahoo.com w rote: > > Good morning all from the soggy state of Washington. After many thoughts I have decided to build a Pietenpol but as but I want fly everywhere. Here in this state. I will be flying over mountains and water and large woods. So c ould someone brass tacks the reliability of the Corvair vs the o-200. 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"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves " .. The passage is really about resisting elevating a man to divine status who on the basis of observed evidence, was a mortal. It addresses the element in all humans that wants to believe that they can abdicate from difficult decisions if they grant special powers, ie: emperor, certification, etc, to one side and then blindly follow it. Both engines can be made to work well, The fault dear jack, is not in the metal, but in the people. And the primary fault of the people is granting a used O-200 some special status, because some of the parts on it were once inside a set of specifications called certified. To blindly trust that, or to believe that O-200s without logs or papers still inherently will have advantages over conversions, is the very core of the exact attitude that has cost many people dearly. The only defense in aviation is Never to grant an engine, plane nor pilot special status that no longer requires you to examine it for what it is. Trust, only on the basis of what you can see and understand, and have verified. This kind of thinking was taught to me by old men, aviators who were alive because the never made 'gods' of things that were just metal systems.-ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439431#439431 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Log time listener first time caller From: Steven Dortch O-200 is turn key by in large. and more expensive New lightweight (199LB) is $21,000+ older O200 is around 220Lbs+ or - overhaul to new limits is $13000+ plus core $2-3000 You can do the overhaul yourself and save money. Lots of certified and uncertified props. Corvair takes work but is much less expensive "New" from WW runs $9700 to $11,700 (120HP). Built up by yourself runs around $5000 to $8000 and is zero time Weight 225lbs Corvair engine turns the other way so it needs a"left hand prop" but there are many out there. Lots of opinions, out there Pro and con. I would certainly consider either engine. If I ever need an engine I think I will go Corvair and build it up myself for the experience. Plus I would really know how to work on it! Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine mount From: "Andy Garrett" Thank you gentlemen. I've read through the links again and picked up a few things I had missed on previous reads. I am inclined to send off for Doc Mosher's Piet info packet. Is he still offering this? -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439441#439441 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine mount From: airlion2@gmail.com I have an engine mount that fits a 26 inch wide fusee.I am switching to a continental. Gardiner mason. 7065943811. Lagrange, Ga. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, "Andy Garrett" wrote: > > > So..., I have an interest in making my own mount for the Corvair per BHP's plans, but at a higher thrust line. > > I suspect I'll need a slightly bigger prop. > > Does anyone know the difference is between the 'standard' thrust line and the 'high' thrust line? > > -------- > Andy Garrett > 'General Purpose Creative Dude' > Haysville, Kansas > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439388#439388 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine mount From: airlion2@gmail.com Hi Terry, Do you need the engine mounting hardware? Gardiner Sent from my iPad > On Mar 14, 2015, at 8:27 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > > Your comment about a larger prop caused me to pull up this link- > > http://flycorvair.net/?s=Propeller&submit=Search > > Maybe this will help you some. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439393#439393 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine mount From: "GNflyer" as far as bigger props go- I expect WW can fill you in as what performs best, but if I remember right a 68" dia. was about what I think I remember being pretty much optimum for the vair.probably can play plenty with the pitch and blade width and such but I'm not sure it's adviseable to go a lot longer - due to weight, flywheel effect and such on the corvair rank. but I'm pretty sure someone will give a better opinion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439453#439453 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wind Chill - 120mph, 35 degrees, raining, shirtless.... From: "William Wynne" Piet Fans: At Corvair College #32, Kevin Purtee, came up with a fun idea to separate the tough guys from the really tough guys....... http://flycorvair.net/2015/03/17/current-corvair-installation-in-a-pietenpol-part-2/ Some people are just made for open cockpit flying. -ww. 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