---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/17/15: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - Re: Ford Model A Question (danhelsper@aol.com) 2. 04:38 AM - Re: Ford Model A Question (Pietflyer1977) 3. 05:02 AM - Re: engine mount (jarheadpilot82) 4. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Ford Model A Question (danhelsper@aol.com) 5. 08:27 AM - Re: Ford Model A Question (Pietflyer1977) 6. 09:34 AM - Re: Log time listener first time caller (Andy Garrett) 7. 09:50 AM - Re: Wind Chill - 120mph, 35 degrees, raining, shirtless.... (Andy Garrett) 8. 10:01 AM - Back on the forum (MNBenny) 9. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: Log time listener first time caller (Steven Dortch) 10. 12:20 PM - Re: Back on the forum (glenschweizer@yahoo.com) 11. 12:27 PM - Re: Log time listener first time caller (Andy Garrett) 12. 12:30 PM - Re: Back on the forum (MNBenny) 13. 12:37 PM - BRS in a Piet? (Andy Garrett) 14. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Log time listener first time caller (Steven Dortch) 15. 01:20 PM - Re: BRS in a Piet? (Jack Philips) 16. 03:05 PM - Re: BRS in a Piet? (Bill Church) 17. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: BRS in a Piet? (Ray Krause) 18. 09:25 PM - Re: Wind Chill - 120mph, 35 degrees, raining, shirtless.... (biplan53) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:49 AM PST US From: danhelsper@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ford Model A Question Rob, I bought extras, probably a bag of 10, when I got mine. I just walked out to the hangar to look in my "spare hardware" box and I found them. I will wait till it gets light to confirm that these are the ones I used. If so you are welcome to have them. I will let you know as soon as I can see out there. Dan Helsper Loensloe Airfield Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Pietflyer1977 Sent: Mon, Mar 16, 2015 6:56 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Model A Question I am looking for the springs that go on top of the Model A block that hold the engine block to the wood bearers. Does anyone have a source or part number of what they have used? I have checked with local hardware stores, McMaster Carr, MSC, etc. everybody has springs but not the correct size. Dia. Is too big, coil size to big, etc. smaller ones that I have found that would work are too weak and not strong enough. Any leads would be apprecaited. Thanks Rob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439429#439429 - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - Navigator to browse Un/Subscription, Photoshare, and much much more: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - Forums! http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Model A Question From: "Pietflyer1977" Thanks Dan! Would really appreciate it! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439462#439462 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine mount From: "jarheadpilot82" Gardiner, Yes I do. I am in Dakar, Senegal, West Africa right now on a trip and will call you in a day or so. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439463#439463 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:14 AM PST US From: danhelsper@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Model A Question Rob, I am sorry, but upon closer examination I see that these are not the ones I used (not close). I tried to mike the ones on the engine and it appears the over-all diameter (slightly compressed) is .423, and the wire size is .06. They look a little wimpy to me now. I can't remember my thought processes at the time, but I do remember ordering and trying a bunch of different ones. I am almost sure I got these from McMaster. I know there is not very much room to work with in that situation so one is really limited. I might have "settled" for these I have on the engine now, if you know what I mean. The engine does rock upon start-up, that is for sure. I can clearly see evidence of that. Dan Helsper Loensloe Airfield Puryear TN -----Original Message----- From: Pietflyer1977 Sent: Tue, Mar 17, 2015 7:15 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Model A Question Thanks Dan! Would really appreciate it! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439462#439462 - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - Navigator to browse Un/Subscription, Photoshare, and much much more: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - Forums! http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Model A Question From: "Pietflyer1977" Thanks Dan appreciate the effort. Jeff Faith gave me the info of what he used. They are Model T ( which is why I couldn't find them, I was looking with A stuff ) radius rod cap springs. Snyder Ford # T-2742. $1.00 a pair. If you think yours are light maybe try some of these? Thanks Again Rob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439468#439468 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Log time listener first time caller From: "Andy Garrett" As a student pilot, I was on my second cross county solo from Wichita to Salina. During that flight, somewhere over McPherson, KS, the certified engine in the 1976 Cessna 150M I was flying (N8634U) started sputtering. This was my first experience with engine trouble and it gave me a pucker. I went to the checklist and did as it said. Carb heat did nothing much but it ran well enough to complete the flight. I could see Salina after-all, and I had numerous off field options, so I stuck with it. As I started my descent, ATC called and advised me that I had a 747 heavy off my right wing passing under me. I looked out to read 'United States of America' down the length of the President's plane heading out to the gunnery range just to the west. I had not radioed my engine troubles to the tower. Otherwise, they surely would have vectored 'Bigfoot whatever he was calling himself' away from a path directly beneath me (POTUS was obvious not on board). On the ground at Salina, I called the owner back at Dead Cow International (71K) and described the engine issues. He was convinced it was carb ice, but put no pressure on me to fly it back if I was not comfortable. He instructed me to let it sit for an hour and do a lengthy run-up before taking off if I chose to do so. I did this, and the return trip went fine. What this experience did to me as a student pilot with a couple dozen hours, was put me in a constant state of awareness. Before that day, I operated on the 'if millions of other people can fly and be safe trusting their rented equipment, then so can I' mentality. After that day, I have not fully trusted any aircraft I've flown. It was even worse flying a Rotax two-stroke while fully exposed in my Airbike. I never really 'relax' when I am piloting. I think if knew the engine intimately, having gained an understanding of what is going on in their, and having turned the wrenches myself--knowing the quality of the components and the workmanship, I would be able to relax just a bit more. I don't want to get back to being blissfully ignorant of the risks like I was as a student. I just want to be more in command of them. That has been my path to Corvairs and the philosophy that governs the 'movement'. -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439471#439471 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wind Chill - 120mph, 35 degrees, raining, shirtless.... From: "Andy Garrett" Great article! As a native of Florida..., that would not have been me. [Shocked] -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439472#439472 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Back on the forum From: "MNBenny" Hi everyone, Hows it going? Well after a several year absense, and looking at other plans I'm backing to the Piet again. Right now now I have 13 ribs made, but not done. I also have a corvair engine also. take care, Ben Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439475#439475 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Log time listener first time caller From: Steven Dortch Andy, Friends don't let friends fly two strokes! Steve D. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Andy Garrett wrote: > andy_garrett@live.com> > > As a student pilot, I was on my second cross county solo from Wichita to > Salina. During that flight, somewhere over McPherson, KS, the certified > engine in the 1976 Cessna 150M I was flying (N8634U) started sputtering. > This was my first experience with engine trouble and it gave me a pucker. I > went to the checklist and did as it said. Carb heat did nothing much but it > ran well enough to complete the flight. I could see Salina after-all, and I > had numerous off field options, so I stuck with it. > > As I started my descent, ATC called and advised me that I had a 747 heavy > off my right wing passing under me. I looked out to read 'United States of > America' down the length of the President's plane heading out to the > gunnery range just to the west. I had not radioed my engine troubles to the > tower. Otherwise, they surely would have vectored 'Bigfoot whatever he was > calling himself' away from a path directly beneath me (POTUS was obvious > not on board). > > On the ground at Salina, I called the owner back at Dead Cow International > (71K) and described the engine issues. He was convinced it was carb ice, > but put no pressure on me to fly it back if I was not comfortable. He > instructed me to let it sit for an hour and do a lengthy run-up before > taking off if I chose to do so. I did this, and the return trip went fine. > > What this experience did to me as a student pilot with a couple dozen > hours, was put me in a constant state of awareness. Before that day, I > operated on the 'if millions of other people can fly and be safe trusting > their rented equipment, then so can I' mentality. After that day, I have > not fully trusted any aircraft I've flown. It was even worse flying a Rotax > two-stroke while fully exposed in my Airbike. I never really 'relax' when I > am piloting. I think if knew the engine intimately, having gained an > understanding of what is going on in their, and having turned the wrenches > myself--knowing the quality of the components and the workmanship, I would > be able to relax just a bit more. I don't want to get back to being > blissfully ignorant of the risks like I was as a student. I just want to be > more in command of them. > > That has been my path to Corvairs and the philosophy that governs the > 'movement'. > > -------- > Andy Garrett > 'General Purpose Creative Dude' > Haysville, Kansas > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439471#439471 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Back on the forum From: glenschweizer@yahoo.com Hi Ben. Welcome back! Where are you located? Tell us about your project. Glen. Aerial in progress Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 17, 2015, at 9:58 AM, "MNBenny" wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > Hows it going? Well after a several year absense, and looking at other plans I'm backing to the Piet again. Right now now I have 13 ribs made, but not done. I also have a corvair engine also. > > take care, > > Ben > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439475#439475 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Log time listener first time caller From: "Andy Garrett" Yea, they don't inspire much confidence Steve! Yet, my buddy Paul just crossed 1000 hours TTAF on his Airbike (built in '97). Two engines (447 then 503), and only one off-field incident due to a stoppage. I think that would be a Rotax success story wouldn't it? -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439489#439489 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Back on the forum From: "MNBenny" I'm in St. Joseph, MN. That's 75 miles NE of the twin cities. I have 13 ribs made so far, but not complete. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439490#439490 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: BRS in a Piet? From: "Andy Garrett" Surprisingly, I find no discussions on this subject with a search. Anyone install a ballistic chute on their Piet? Heard of it done? The center section of the wing seems like a descent place to engineer such an installation. Just a curiosity. I am aware that there are those who believe that 'real pilots' don't use BRS, so I'm prepared for some ridicule--hit me. -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439491#439491 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Log time listener first time caller From: Steven Dortch Seriously, two stroke reliability has greatly improved with some of the more advanced monitoring systems and improved maintenance. However, it is still not near the reliability of a 4 stroke. If I got a 2 stroke ultralight, I would stay near the landing field and/or only fly over lots of good landing places. Still would be a lot of fun. Blue Skies, Steve D On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Andy Garrett wrote: > andy_garrett@live.com> > > Yea, they don't inspire much confidence Steve! > > Yet, my buddy Paul just crossed 1000 hours TTAF on his Airbike (built in > '97). Two engines (447 then 503), and only one off-field incident due to a > stoppage. I think that would be a Rotax success story wouldn't it? > > -------- > Andy Garrett > 'General Purpose Creative Dude' > Haysville, Kansas > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439489#439489 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:14 PM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: BRS in a Piet? No ridicule - just reality. By the time you get a BRS that can safely descend a fully loaded Pietenpol you will have added 30 lbs or more and invested over $5,000 (roughly increasing the cost of your airplane by 33%) for something you hope to never use. A Pietenpol lands so slowly and uses so little real estate that I would rather take my chances flying the plane down "as far into the crash as possible" as Mr. Hoover says, than trusting that a totally non-steerable parachute won't deposit me into power lines or trees. I've had a forced landing in my Pietenpol. I was able to fly it over the lake and forest where the engine failure occurred and make it to the only open space, US Highway 64 west of Raleigh, NC, in the area and land it on the highway after passing over one set of power lines and under another. I doubt if the parachute could have done as well and I would have ended up in the trees (or the powerlines) Not a stupid question, but you've got to look at all the angles. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Garrett Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 3:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: BRS in a Piet? --> Surprisingly, I find no discussions on this subject with a search. Anyone install a ballistic chute on their Piet? Heard of it done? The center section of the wing seems like a descent place to engineer such an installation. Just a curiosity. I am aware that there are those who believe that 'real pilots' don't use BRS, so I'm prepared for some ridicule--hit me. -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439491#439491 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BRS in a Piet? From: "Bill Church" For the information of the newer members of the List, the archives actually go back to 1996. The current Forum http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=7 was started in 2006, and if you execute a search from the Forum, it will only find results from 2006 onwards. However, if you use the old search function http://www.matronics.com/search/ you will get results that are pulled from the very beginning. Performing a search of the Pietenpol List Archives for "BRS", using the old search engine resulted in finding discussions on the matter from January 1999, April 2004 and February 2005. The search also produced a lot of unrelated messages that you will have to weed through. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439495#439495 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: BRS in a Piet? From: Ray Krause I think this search information should be available on the forum for all of us newbies. I never knew this. Why not offer this as an additional search? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Bill Church wrote: > > > For the information of the newer members of the List, the archives actually go back to 1996. The current Forum http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=7 was started in 2006, and if you execute a search from the Forum, it will only find results from 2006 onwards. > However, if you use the old search function http://www.matronics.com/search/ you will get results that are pulled from the very beginning. > Performing a search of the Pietenpol List Archives for "BRS", using the old search engine resulted in finding discussions on the matter from January 1999, April 2004 and February 2005. The search also produced a lot of unrelated messages that you will have to weed through. > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439495#439495 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wind Chill - 120mph, 35 degrees, raining, shirtless.... From: "biplan53" I was standing there in camouflaged coveralls and I can confirm how cold it was. I think we can nickname Kevin Iron man. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. 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