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1. 04:17 AM - Re: Metal Fittings (Andre B. Charvet)
2. 06:46 AM - Re: Thank You! (tools)
3. 10:09 AM - Bingilis books (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 10:39 AM - Speaking of getting started..... (William Wynne)
5. 01:19 PM - Re: Speaking of getting started..... (Andy Garrett)
6. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of getting started..... (benjamin piet)
7. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of getting started..... (THOMAS.233327)
8. 02:41 PM - Re: Speaking of getting started..... (jarheadpilot82)
9. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of getting started..... (Gardiner Mason)
10. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of getting started..... (George Abernathy)
11. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of getting started..... (John Woods)
12. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of getting started..... (Steven Dortch)
13. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of getting started..... (Steven Dortch)
14. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Speaking of getting started..... (Steven Dortch)
15. 10:42 PM - A65 Engine Start (Peter Johnson)
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| Subject: | Re: Metal Fittings |
I made all my control horns with an inexpensive gas welder. I figured it as one
more skill learned that would serve me the rest of my life.
Ben
tonyp51qa <tonyp51qa@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Has anyone manufactured metal fittings and sold them for the Pietenpol? Is there
any plans or supplemental plans out there for building the Aileron, vertical
or horizontal stabilizer control horns with a solid piece of steel/aluminum?
I don't have access to a TIG welder.
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>Tony[/list]
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THAT is the power of brodhead. The chance to probe the planes and minds of dozens
all in one convenient location.
Followed closely by corvair colleges and regional gatherings.
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Here's my $.02
I am confident I could not have built my plane without the knowledge I
gained from the Bingilis series of books. I owned them for about fifteen
years before I started building and they were already threadbare by that
time from my reading and re-reading. They gave me a basic, fundamental
understanding of how things worked and processes. Yes there are different
ways to skin a cat and more modern ones, but the ones shown work and are
good solid fundamentals.
I also never would have finished, especially the rebuild without the
encouragement and support I received from this group back then. Somehow it
can be a more contentious/negative/nit-pickey group than it was, but it is
still extremely helpful, just be careful of the advice you choose to follow.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Speaking of getting started..... |
If we were Sherpas at the base camp to mount Everest, and a new person came into
camp with the stated plan to climb it, and all they talked about was the colors
that they had picked for their tent and then complained about the cost of
quality ropes, what would you tell them? Are you being a better ambassador to
mountaineering by just being polite and welcoming, or is it a better idea to explain
to the new person that a successful summit is made of long and careful
preparation, learning and work, and it will cost money, and By the way, your best
guidance is going to come from Sherpas who have lead climbers to the summit
before. You would also explain that the 10% who make it to the top follow this
not just because they want to summit, but also because they want to live.
After the new guy is done telling everyone in the village, who are mostly tourists,
all about his color coordination and objection to rope that cost more than
$4/foot, you politely say that color doesn't matter, physical fitness and conditioning
does, and although it was once done, no one climbs on $4/ft rope anymore,
it is all done on $5/ft rope, that is why the book says use $5/ft rope.
That once you are up on the mountain you will see strains put on the rope that
you can not understand by looking at the price tag in the village, and he should
just listen to you because you have been to the top, and you have also seen
people killed by cheap equipment. It doesn't matter now anyway, because he
is in terrible conditioning, and it will take several seasons to get in shape,
and in the long run the cost of $1/ft on rope will be meaningless then.
The reasonable new climber will understands this. He remembers that when he became
fluent in a second language, became a working musician, and when he was in
competitive sports, the common thread to find the reward, was long preparation,
and following the guidance of a coach who had been there before and had long
demonstrated the path to many others. He understands that the goal in each of
these was to "Become" something greater than he was, a word that means there
was a transformation of how he felt about himself. He understands that his actual
goal is to "become" a skilled climber, and then use these skills to summit
Everest. Summiting is not the primary goal, and people who don't want to put
the work into the training and transition to being a climber, people who just
want the trophy as cheap as possible, will never make it.
The Unreasonable new arrival doesn't like to hear anything about this. He comes
to the village unable to differentiate between bureaucratic rules and accepted
and proven wisdom of experience. He can't tell the difference between garbage
like cliques, pecking order and blind dues paying, and the very different situation
of working for something for a long time and later understanding it earned
you the respect of people who had done the same. Unable to differentiate
these things, he rejects it all, and honestly believes it is all negotiable and
interchangeable. He does not understand that he has left suburbia, the office
cubicle, and world where repeated broadcast babble is substituted for understanding.
He is in a new arena, and he is just getting acquainted with the idea
that his home currency isn't very valuable here.
The reasonable man gets to work on the task of 3,000 hours or so to transform himself
into a climber. The progress of each week is self-rewarding, because the
goal is the transformation, not what one might do with the skills once he has
them. The unreasonable man, focused on possession of the trophy, does not start
training, he starts bargaining. He wants to know if there is some way to
turn 3,000 hr into 1,500 hr. He gets attached to any story that seems to be about
cleverly reducing the 'cost' of getting to the top. He likes fir ladders instead
of spruce ones, and latex tents instead of doped ones. While these ideas
all have merit when selectively applied by experienced climbers, the unreasonable
man's attraction is purely about short cutting the system. He doesn't understand
that having Google translate on his I-phone isn't the same as being able
to speak a few words with the Nepalese natives.
Completely missing the point that it costs what it cost to climb the mountain,
and the real side of the equation you control is if you become a climber or not,
and being an understood and respected climber is about what you know and can
do, and not where you have bought tickets to, the unreasonable man is stuck
on the price of things, particularly that $5/ft rope. Because he can't tell the
difference between random rules and wisdom, and because he has never operated
in an office with the death penalty for small mistakes on the job, he comes
up with the brilliant idea of taking a poll of the tourists in the village to
find out if the Sherpas are full of shit. If 51% of the tourists say $4/ft rope
is great, then this confirms what he 'knew' that people who want you to use
$5/ft rope are just salesmen (even though they don't sell rope). He believes
in polls because they are surveys fill his internet world and are the basis of
his illusion that corporations/neighbors/ politicians care what he thinks. He
knows he matters, that is why he votes on TV singing shows.
To his surprise, the first people who speak up after the poll are not tourists,
but climbers who have been to the top. They all tell him to use $5/ft rope. Some
of them even have tales of almost falling when the previous standard was $4/ft
rope. There are some people in training that say they are still thinking
about climbing slowly and using $4/ft rope, but the unreasonable man, who is really
just seeking any affirmation of his belief that he can save money and get
the same goal, misses the point that none of the people who are in favor of
$4/ft rope have been to the top, and that the original climbers on $4/ft rope
were using new rope, not rope reconditioned in Pakistan. The only people who were
qualified to inspect ropes and treat them were 2 shops in the US, and that
costs money.
The unreasonable man concedes the $5/ft public debate for the worst reason: He
is concerned what other people in the village think. Still, at heart, he really
isn't convinced. He will revisit this exact same approach on every single aspect
of preparation and training. Because most people are polite, he will not
have others point out that he really isn't getting in better shape, nor is his
real knowledge of climbing increasing. Over time the progress he makes will not
yield satisfaction because he can't see the light at the end of the tunnel,
which to him is getting to the top of the mountain. Because no one takes the
time to say he has the wrong mindset, he ends up wasting 5 years living in the
village, learning little, conducting the same type of poll over and over again.
One day he gets fed up, declares that he would have been to the top long ago
if he had been in a village of friendly Sherpas and supportive townspeople.
It is all their fault. He puts up a notice on the bulletin board saying he is
selling his gear, but no one wants it because it was all cheap stuff built around
a $4/ft rope collection, assembled by a guy who wasn't really into the work.
As he is carrying the gear to the dump outside the village on his way back to suburbia,
he meets a new guy walking up the trail. He makes him a great bargain,
and points out that the gear includes a well known book on climbing written
by a Sherpa named W. Nguyen. Unreasonable guy has a very believable sales pitch
saying the gear was great, but he didn't need it anymore because he had decided
to go back to suburbia and drive around in a three wheeled RV. New guy is
very excited, because just like the unreasonable guy, his goal is to be able
to tell people he climbed the mountain, not become a climber. To his perspective,
he just saved a bundle of cash, and he is appreciably closer to having a
summit photo on his face book page. The deal is struck and the cash exchanged
just outside the entrance to the dump. The new guy carries the gear into the village,
and walks into the town square where he stands on a box and introduces
himself, and in short order tells everyone what decorative color he is going
to paint his tent.
----------------------------------------------------
If you have been on this list for a long time, you know that there have regularly
been people who show up with a great flurry of interest, stay a month, and
then fall away to oblivion. If there are ten a year, over ten years, then you
have seen this 100 times. Now quick, name four people with flying airplanes that
started that way.........
It isn't just this list, or even airplane building. This is common to most list
that involve building something that takes considerable effort, and particularly
learning a lot of new skills. I have spent time reading on boat building sites
and Diesel engine swap forums, they have the same issue, but those to subjects
are hobbies, and aircraft building is my craft and calling. It is important
to me that Homebuilding find better ways of binging new people in, not just
as a spectator/ EAA member but as real, active builders with an effective plan
for success, which I define as finishing a good, reliable plane and really
learning skills, traditions and ethics of aviation. That is transformative in
a persons life, most other experiences pale in comparison.
.
So, How do we get more people into a position where they have a fair chance at
success in homebuilding? First, you have to be honest with them. You have to tell
then that the odds are against them going in, so before they look at anything
else about it, they should me most interested in one single thing: Understanding
the different approaches between the 10% who make it and the 90% who don't.
If they are focused on anything else, but have not even considered this,
they are almost certainly in the 90%.
Seriously, a new person who has spent a lot of time deciding what paint job he
wants and is obsessing on the cost of parts he will not have to buy for several
years, needs to be told that he is not in possession of the perspective common
to the 10%. I am for trying to say it with more tact than I can muster, but
I am against being so excessively polite and welcoming, out of a fear of alienating
or discouraging the new arrival, to go so far as the message to the new
arrival gets lost.
This is for everyone to consider. People who have been all the way through the
process can and should share what ever perspective they have. You are a Sherpa
who has climbed this particular mountain, and you know it in ways that others
do not.
In reality the new builders don't divide into neat groups of reasonable and unreasonable.
This division and the percentages actually exist inside each new builder,
and I believe that you can appeal to the reasonable side of each builder
by articulately explaining why he might want to invest the real effort in transforming
is abilities and knowledge, and how merely finding a short cut to a
finished plane is not synonymous with this. You will not reach all people, and
some will take time, but after decades of hands on teach in writing, I still
think it is worth the effort. -ww.
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of getting started..... |
Since a post in a public forum invites a response, I will oblige with more kindness
than you have shown me, though your metaphors may be too clever for my comprehension.
Having read through this prose twice, it seems that you are advocating that the
homebuilding community adopt some method of exclusion--that you 'weed out' those
you consider unworthy after showing some initial enthusiasm, and expressing
a completed vision that they are working toward. It reminds me of Fight Club--Meatloaf
standing on the porch of the Paper Street Soap Company awaiting admission
to Project Mayhem as current members berate him hourly for days trying
to see if he has the fortitude to stay. You of course, as the 'Corvair/Homebuilding
Jesus' and your chosen 'disciples' would decide who is admitted and who
is shunned, yes?
As a history major, I can name a few dictators that thought that way.
This is a hobby brother--EXPERIMENTAL aviation. That means that each of us is responsible
for our own choices. You sir, are one man in a sea of men with vast
experience in the arena, but your egocentricity is bordering on egomania. You
are advocating that no new builder should be granted admission to your 'club'
unless they meet with your approval or the approval of those that you agree can
grant it. Worse, you are pontificating what each builder can call 'success'--a
completed airplane built to the standards of one William Wynne--nothing less.
You've had your head in the crank case to long brother. Your starting to drink
your own Koolaid. Contrary to what your 'experience' and oft-cited degree from
'Embry Riddell' have taught you, this world does not revolve around you. 17 supportive
emails and messages from list members over the past two days have made
it clear that you are a man with personality issues that just must be 'tolerated'
around here. Pity. I would have welcomed you as a friend, but you seem
to only want 'followers' to pay homage. Personally, I have no use for you.
I hope that I have not brought shame to the list.
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of getting started..... |
Enough Mr. Garrett! This a forum for people to share thoughts and questions
on Pietenpol building not go on and on about someone hurting your feelings.
I am a new guy too. Learn listen to those have been there, built and flew
stop flapping your gums about how people are dictators because you studied
history, you impressing no one and making those who are freely giving
building advice to us green beans the idea that's not appreciated. Keep
the pissing contests in another forum please I am trying learn.
On Mar 21, 2015 1:21 PM, "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett@live.com> wrote:
> andy_garrett@live.com>
>
> Since a post in a public forum invites a response, I will oblige with more
> kindness than you have shown me, though your metaphors may be too clever
> for my comprehension.
>
> Having read through this prose twice, it seems that you are advocating
> that the homebuilding community adopt some method of exclusion--that you
> 'weed out' those you consider unworthy after showing some initial
> enthusiasm, and expressing a completed vision that they are working toward.
> It reminds me of Fight Club--Meatloaf standing on the porch of the Paper
> Street Soap Company awaiting admission to Project Mayhem as current members
> berate him hourly for days trying to see if he has the fortitude to stay.
> You of course, as the 'Corvair/Homebuilding Jesus' and your chosen
> 'disciples' would decide who is admitted and who is shunned, yes?
>
> As a history major, I can name a few dictators that thought that way.
>
> This is a hobby brother--EXPERIMENTAL aviation. That means that each of us
> is responsible for our own choices. You sir, are one man in a sea of men
> with vast experience in the arena, but your egocentricity is bordering on
> egomania. You are advocating that no new builder should be granted
> admission to your 'club' unless they meet with your approval or the
> approval of those that you agree can grant it. Worse, you are pontificating
> what each builder can call 'success'--a completed airplane built to the
> standards of one William Wynne--nothing less.
>
> You've had your head in the crank case to long brother. Your starting to
> drink your own Koolaid. Contrary to what your 'experience' and oft-cited
> degree from 'Embry Riddell' have taught you, this world does not revolve
> around you. 17 supportive emails and messages from list members over the
> past two days have made it clear that you are a man with personality issues
> that just must be 'tolerated' around here. Pity. I would have welcomed you
> as a friend, but you seem to only want 'followers' to pay homage.
> Personally, I have no use for you.
>
>
> I hope that I have not brought shame to the list.
>
> --------
> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439706#439706
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of getting started..... |
Hay! let's all just cool down a bit! This thread is full of animosity, hurt feelings,
threats and counter-threats. Andy, please just ask your questions straight
out (what are your opinions about a balistic parachute) and group, just be
polite, OK? These attacks are getting real old real fast! WW has a LOT of experience
with airplanes and how they work with Corvair engines. He has his opinions
about the subject. He has tried and tested a whole lot of different was of
doing things with the Corvair engine. A lot of people have built airplane engines
per his formula. It works. If you don't want to do it his way, fine. Don't
! But don't be insulting in the tone of your posts. You'll get a lot of help
from this list. Keep going the way you have been and people will be dropping
off the list and what they have learned will cease to be available.
Play nice, kids!
Tom Hale
Builder of "tin" airplanes (Hummel Bird, Sonex), getting quite a lot of ideas and
help, and good times from this list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett@live.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:18:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of getting started.....
Since a post in a public forum invites a response, I will oblige with more kindness
than you have shown me, though your metaphors may be too clever for my comprehension.
Having read through this prose twice, it seems that you are advocating that the
homebuilding community adopt some method of exclusion--that you 'weed out' those
you consider unworthy after showing some initial enthusiasm, and expressing
a completed vision that they are working toward. It reminds me of Fight Club--Meatloaf
standing on the porch of the Paper Street Soap Company awaiting admission
to Project Mayhem as current members berate him hourly for days trying
to see if he has the fortitude to stay. You of course, as the 'Corvair/Homebuilding
Jesus' and your chosen 'disciples' would decide who is admitted and who
is shunned, yes?
As a history major, I can name a few dictators that thought that way.
This is a hobby brother--EXPERIMENTAL aviation. That means that each of us is responsible
for our own choices. You sir, are one man in a sea of men with vast
experience in the arena, but your egocentricity is bordering on egomania. You
are advocating that no new builder should be granted admission to your 'club'
unless they meet with your approval or the approval of those that you agree can
grant it. Worse, you are pontificating what each builder can call 'success'--a
completed airplane built to the standards of one William Wynne--nothing less.
You've had your head in the crank case to long brother. Your starting to drink
your own Koolaid. Contrary to what your 'experience' and oft-cited degree from
'Embry Riddell' have taught you, this world does not revolve around you. 17 supportive
emails and messages from list members over the past two days have made
it clear that you are a man with personality issues that just must be 'tolerated'
around here. Pity. I would have welcomed you as a friend, but you seem
to only want 'followers' to pay homage. Personally, I have no use for you.
I hope that I have not brought shame to the list.
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439706#439706
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of getting started..... |
> You've had your head in the crank case to long brother. Your starting to drink
your own Koolaid. Contrary to what your 'experience' and oft-cited degree from
'Embry Riddell' have taught you, this world does not revolve around you. 17
supportive emails and messages from list members over the past two days have
made it clear that you are a man with personality issues that just must be 'tolerated'
around here. Pity. I would have welcomed you as a friend, but you seem
to only want 'followers' to pay homage. Personally, I have no use for you.
>
>
> I hope that I have not brought shame to the list.
Andy,
The shame lies more with yourself than the forum. You may not appreciate William's
perception of you or your ideas, but I am not remembering him lowering himself
and telling you "the world does not revolve around you" and that "you are
a man with personality issues."
You may disagree with William, and he may disagree with you, but read some of the
links and you may see where his "personality issues" come from-
http://flycorvair.net/2012/02/20/effective-risk-management-2898-words/
http://flycorvair.net/2012/06/25/if-only-someone-had-told-him/
http://flycorvair.net/2013/04/20/risk-management-judgement-error-money-in-the-wrong-place/
http://flycorvair.net/2013/04/20/risk-management-factor-1-judgement/
I am not defending, William. He does not need my help. He does just fine all by
himself.
What I am telling you is that you need to step back and think about what YOU write.
The best revenge is to prove someone wrong. If you disagree with his perception
of you then why not get to building, and prove him wrong? But telling someone
he drinks is own Kool-aid is not a powerful response. It more sounds like
something my teenage daughter might say.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of getting started..... |
Right on Terry. I wonder what he will be saying 5 years from now if he ever gets
a plane built. It wl probably be our fault, Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 21, 2015, at 5:41 PM, "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> You've had your head in the crank case to long brother. Your starting to drink
your own Koolaid. Contrary to what your 'experience' and oft-cited degree from
'Embry Riddell' have taught you, this world does not revolve around you. 17
supportive emails and messages from list members over the past two days have
made it clear that you are a man with personality issues that just must be 'tolerated'
around here. Pity. I would have welcomed you as a friend, but you seem
to only want 'followers' to pay homage. Personally, I have no use for you.
>>
>>
>> I hope that I have not brought shame to the list.
>
>
> Andy,
>
> The shame lies more with yourself than the forum. You may not appreciate William's
perception of you or your ideas, but I am not remembering him lowering himself
and telling you "the world does not revolve around you" and that "you are
a man with personality issues."
>
> You may disagree with William, and he may disagree with you, but read some of
the links and you may see where his "personality issues" come from-
>
> http://flycorvair.net/2012/02/20/effective-risk-management-2898-words/
>
> http://flycorvair.net/2012/06/25/if-only-someone-had-told-him/
>
> http://flycorvair.net/2013/04/20/risk-management-judgement-error-money-in-the-wrong-place/
>
> http://flycorvair.net/2013/04/20/risk-management-factor-1-judgement/
>
> I am not defending, William. He does not need my help. He does just fine all
by himself.
>
> What I am telling you is that you need to step back and think about what YOU
write. The best revenge is to prove someone wrong. If you disagree with his perception
of you then why not get to building, and prove him wrong? But telling
someone he drinks is own Kool-aid is not a powerful response. It more sounds
like something my teenage daughter might say.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439709#439709
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of getting started..... |
Amen!
I like the list because it is a group of decent people.=C2-
Lets follow the if you can't say something nice say nothing idea.=C2-
G
From: THOMAS.233327 <thomas.233327@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of getting started.....
Hay! =C2-let's all just cool down a bit! =C2-This thread is full of ani
mosity, hurt feelings, threats and counter-threats. Andy, please just ask y
our questions straight out (what are your opinions about a balistic parachu
te) and group, just be polite, OK? =C2-These attacks are getting real old
real fast! =C2-WW has a LOT of experience with airplanes and how they wo
rk with Corvair engines. =C2-He has his opinions about the subject. =C2
-He has tried and tested a whole lot of different was of doing things wit
h the Corvair engine. =C2-A lot of people have built airplane engines per
his formula. =C2-It works. =C2-If you don't want to do it his way, fin
e. =C2-Don't ! =C2-But don't be insulting in the tone of your posts. Yo
u'll get a lot of help from this list. =C2-Keep going the way you have be
en and people will be dropping off the list and what they have learned will
cease to be available.Play nice, kids!Tom HaleBuilder of "tin" airplanes (
Hummel Bird, Sonex), getting quite a lot of ideas and help, and good times
from this list.
From: "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett@live.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 1:18:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of getting started.....
>
Since a post in a public forum invites a response, I will oblige with more
kindness than you have shown me, though your metaphors may be too clever fo
r my comprehension.
Having read through this prose twice, it seems that you are advocating that
the homebuilding community adopt some method of exclusion--that you 'weed
out' those you consider unworthy after showing some initial enthusiasm, and
expressing a completed vision that they are working toward. It reminds me
of Fight Club--Meatloaf standing on the porch of the Paper Street Soap Comp
any awaiting admission to Project Mayhem as current members berate him hour
ly for days trying to see if he has the fortitude to stay. You of course, a
s the 'Corvair/Homebuilding Jesus' and your chosen 'disciples' would decide
who is admitted and who is shunned, yes?
As a history major, I can name a few dictators that thought that way.
This is a hobby brother--EXPERIMENTAL aviation. That means that each of us
is responsible for our own choices. You sir, are one man in a sea of men wi
th vast experience in the arena, but your egocentricity is bordering on ego
mania. You are advocating that no new builder should be granted admission t
o your 'club' unless they meet with your approval or the approval of those
that you agree can grant it. Worse, you are pontificating what each builder
can call 'success'--a completed airplane built to the standards of one Wil
liam Wynne--nothing less.
You've had your head in the crank case to long brother. Your starting to dr
ink your own Koolaid. Contrary to what your 'experience' and oft-cited degr
ee from 'Embry Riddell' have taught you, this world does not revolve around
you. 17 supportive emails and messages from list members over the past two
days have made it clear that you are a man with personality issues that ju
st must be 'tolerated' around here. Pity. I would have welcomed you as a fr
iend, but you seem to only want 'followers' to pay homage. Personally, I ha
ve no use for you.
I hope that I have not brought shame to the list.
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439706#439706
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of getting started..... |
Andy,
I think you have to take a bit of time to digest what William has written.
When you do, you may see that what he has written is very true, not only
for experimental aviation but for everything in life.
By the way, it's great to get 17 supportive emails, but don't become
abusive to the one email that brings you back to reality.
Williams story obviously hit a nerve, as you can relate to what he has said.
It's only a story after all........all be it one with a lot of truth to it.
The question for you is, "Does it apply to me?"
John
>
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All is forgiven when a plane flies.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:10 PM, John Woods <johnwoods@westnet.com.au>
wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I think you have to take a bit of time to digest what William has written.
>
> When you do, you may see that what he has written is very true, not only
> for experimental aviation but for everything in life.
>
> By the way, it's great to get 17 supportive emails, but don't become
> abusive to the one email that brings you back to reality.
>
> Williams story obviously hit a nerve, as you can relate to what he has
> said.
>
> It's only a story after all........all be it one with a lot of truth to it.
>
> The question for you is, "Does it apply to me?"
>
> John
>
>
>> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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OK Girls, I am going to check out for a couple of days until everyone's
panties are not wadded up.
I got about 1/2 of what I thought I would get done done. so I am going to
hit it hard on the Sabbath. See you Monday, or Tuesday or so.
Everyone usually mellows out after a tiff.
Blue Skies.
Steve Hope to finish My horizontal stab tomorrow and cover it Monday. then
on to painting them.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> All is forgiven when a plane flies.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:10 PM, John Woods <johnwoods@westnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Andy,
>>
>> I think you have to take a bit of time to digest what William has written.
>>
>> When you do, you may see that what he has written is very true, not only
>> for experimental aviation but for everything in life.
>>
>> By the way, it's great to get 17 supportive emails, but don't become
>> abusive to the one email that brings you back to reality.
>>
>> Williams story obviously hit a nerve, as you can relate to what he has
>> said.
>>
>> It's only a story after all........all be it one with a lot of truth to
>> it.
>>
>> The question for you is, "Does it apply to me?"
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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BTW Kari-ann, I mean no disrespect to the ladies, just trying to jolt the
boys back to civility. Heck you never say anything during our playground
arguments.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> OK Girls, I am going to check out for a couple of days until everyone's
> panties are not wadded up.
>
> I got about 1/2 of what I thought I would get done done. so I am going to
> hit it hard on the Sabbath. See you Monday, or Tuesday or so.
>
> Everyone usually mellows out after a tiff.
>
> Blue Skies.
> Steve Hope to finish My horizontal stab tomorrow and cover it Monday. then
> on to painting them.
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> All is forgiven when a plane flies.
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:10 PM, John Woods <johnwoods@westnet.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>> I think you have to take a bit of time to digest what William has
>>> written.
>>>
>>> When you do, you may see that what he has written is very true, not only
>>> for experimental aviation but for everything in life.
>>>
>>> By the way, it's great to get 17 supportive emails, but don't become
>>> abusive to the one email that brings you back to reality.
>>>
>>> Williams story obviously hit a nerve, as you can relate to what he has
>>> said.
>>>
>>> It's only a story after all........all be it one with a lot of truth to
>>> it.
>>>
>>> The question for you is, "Does it apply to me?"
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | A65 Engine Start |
Hi Guys,
I have been trying a few engine starts on my newly rebuilt A65.
I had a few problems along the way but now have most of the sorted.
I still have one problem though.
I can start the engine after one primer stroke, pull through once and then
the next starts. Very good so far.
Tick over is good (600 or 700 rpm presently) but as I advance the throttle,
the engine starts to miss and generally run rough. If I operate the carb
heat all is well.
I have managed a max rpm of 2100 static at the moment and feel it could go
another 100 or so.
If I put the carb heat to cold the engine starts running rough again.
I took the air filter off the front of the carb to see if it made any
difference thinking there may be a rich/lean mixture. It didn=B9t make any
difference.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
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