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1. 01:00 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/27/15 (William Wynne)
2. 01:26 AM - New running Corvair Built by Tim Hansen (William Wynne)
3. 05:13 AM - Re: Who Would Like To Get A Huge Boost In Their Build? (Yahoo! Account Service)
4. 05:58 AM - steel tube fuselage (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 06:30 AM - Re: steel tube fuselage (Jack)
6. 10:44 AM - Re: New running Corvair Built by Tim Hansen (jarheadpilot82)
7. 10:51 AM - Re: Metal tube frames (jarheadpilot82)
8. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Metal tube frames (Scott Knowlton)
9. 12:39 PM - Re: Metal tube frames (jarheadpilot82)
10. 01:17 PM - Re: steel tube fuselage (benjamin piet)
11. 04:37 PM - Corvair College #33 Update (jarheadpilot82)
12. 05:26 PM - Re: Who Would Like To Get A Huge Boost In Their Build? (jarheadpilot82)
13. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Metal tube frames (Scott Knowlton)
14. 07:17 PM - Re: Metal tube frames (jarheadpilot82)
15. 11:07 PM - Re: Metal tube frames (aerocarjake)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/27/15 |
Stu,
Corvair College #33 is not canceled at all. We have moved the event to Mid Florida
airport at Eustis, A friendly welcoming privately owned grass strip 14 miles
from Leesburg. I was there today putting the last touches on the arrangements
with the airport owner Mr. Rama and the manager Rex Wyatt. The setting is pure
grass roots aviation, without the tower, chain link fence, gate swipe cards
and barbed wire required at the Leesburg public airport.
Although we has two previous successful Colleges working with EAA 534, and the
leadership of the chapter had agreed to host college #33 weeks ago before we opened
the sign up, The EAA 534 president emailed me 4 days to say his chapter
was backing out. His official reason was that he claimed he just found out that
we had originally considered Palatka airport for #33, and this quote "Dissed"
his chapter. Although 534 made over $1,000 profit last year doing the food,
and I donated a core engine to the chapter and a full set of Corvair materials,
The event chairman said "There as nothing in hosting for 534" No appeal to
common sense citing the late date and the fact people had long bought airline
tickets moved either man. Not a problem, we are glad to move the event a few
miles down the road and work with the private airport at Eustis. People signed
up for the college will get a complete brief on the improved location after sign
up closes at 9m tonight. Stu, if you mistakenly told any other group the event
was canceled, please let me know so I can correct it there also. -ww.
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| Subject: | New running Corvair Built by Tim Hansen |
Piet Fans,
Here is a link to a story about a Corvair built by Piet builder Tim Hansen of Orient
Ohio:
http://flycorvair.net/2015/03/29/100-hp-corvair-tim-hansen-persistance-pays/
Tim has attended previous colleges, and came down to out airport in Florida this
weekend to finish and test run his engine. The story has a number of good pictures,
and contains motivational stuff centered on "Persistence Pays."
-ww.
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| Subject: | Re: Who Would Like To Get A Huge Boost In Their Build? |
Terry and all,
Thanks to Terry's post we have a project to work on in the Sun N Fun hands on wood
shop this year. Tony from Alabama will send down a Fin and Rudder material
kit and we will meet him somewhere on I 75 on the way north with a completed
fin and rudder.
Anyone planning to come to Sun N Fun, please stop by the Wood Shop and see the
progress, we will also be building wing ribs, and there will be a lot of Pietenpol
talk.
Also, if you can give a spare a few hours please PM me. As Terry said I have been
a volunteer here for years, it is very rewarding. As Paul Poberezny use to
say "you start coming for the airplanes and keep coming for the people"
Skip
-----Original Message-----
>From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 27, 2015 11:19 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who Would Like To Get A Huge Boost In Their Build?
>
>
>Did the Subject Line get your attention? I hope so.
>
>I spoke this afternoon to Skip Gadd, who is already down at Sun-N-Fun. He and
his wife have gone down there for years helping set up. He has worked in the Hands
On Workshops for most, if not all of that time. He has worked with many people
such as Dick Navratil and (I think) Dave Aldrich from the forum. Typically
they build Pietenpol parts, such as the ribs, the empennage, the fuselage,
among others. I think last year they worked on floats for Dick's Sky Scout project.
Well, this year they have no specific project to work on. So here is where
you come in.
>
>If you have the materials for some phase of your build, but have not had the time,
and can get the materials to Sun-N-Fun, they would like to help boost your
project along by building some portion of your Pietenpol project either for
you, or with you, if you have the time to be there. The Pietenpol has always been
a popular project in the Hand On Woodworking Workshop, and they would like
this year to be no different. These are experienced builders, so they would do
a great job. They would like to make it a win-win for everyone. They get a project
to work on, and you get a big boost to your project.
>
>If you have an interest, please either PM me, or you can email me at jarheadpilot82
(at) hotmail (dot) com. I can then get you Skip's contact info. Skip is
having a little trouble with his internet service, so I told him that I would
post it for him.
>
>I hope to hear from some lucky soul real soon!
>
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>Semper Fi,
>
>Terry Hand
>Athens, GA
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| Subject: | steel tube fuselage |
If I were building again, I'd do a steel tube fuse. I have a wood fuselage.
If you can weld, or even tack and have a pro finish them up, it has many
advantages to my mind.
1. It is lighter. Nobody can ever agree upon how much lighter
because guys will weigh their wood and steel fuselages for comparison but
usually in different stages of completion so the numbers are usually
meaningless. There is consensus however that the steel is lighter, by how
much exactly is a question. I've heard from five pounds to twenty pounds.
Take your pick
2. If you can weld it is quicker
3. It is stronger, but who cares, the wood fuse is plenty strong
4. Possibly cheaper
5. Better in a crash
6. Much easier to add access door/doors if you're into that.
7. One could even say it's original since BP drew plans for it
8. You probably have more freedom about the type of tail wheel you can
use since it's a stronger connection. I've heard of a few tail wheels
ripping out of wood fuselages for various reasons, usually a rotted back end
or a long spring type which gives way too much leverage under side load than
the wood will take.
Drawbacks??
1. Lack of coolness/nostalgia factor when you look in the cockpit
$.02
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: steel tube fuselage |
Agreed Bill BUT, a big challenge for me is coping the cuts well. For my mou
nt and gear I went through a bunch of 4130...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:03 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net
> wrote:
>
> If I were building again, I=99d do a steel tube fuse. I have a wood
fuselage.
>
> If you can weld, or even tack and have a pro finish them up, it has many a
dvantages to my mind.
>
> 1. It is lighter. Nobody can ever agree upon how much lighter beca
use guys will weigh their wood and steel fuselages for comparison but usuall
y in different stages of completion so the numbers are usually meaningless.
There is consensus however that the steel is lighter, by how much exactly i
s a question. I=99ve heard from five pounds to twenty pounds. Take y
our pick
> 2. If you can weld it is quicker
> 3. It is stronger, but who cares, the wood fuse is plenty strong
> 4. Possibly cheaper
> 5. Better in a crash
> 6. Much easier to add access door/doors if you=99re into that.
> 7. One could even say it=99s original since BP drew plans for i
t
> 8. You probably have more freedom about the type of tail wheel you c
an use since it=99s a stronger connection. I=99ve heard of a fe
w tail wheels ripping out of wood fuselages for various reasons, usually a r
otted back end or a long spring type which gives way too much leverage under
side load than the wood will take.
>
>
> Drawbacks??
>
> 1. Lack of coolness/nostalgia factor when you look in the cockpit
>
>
>
> $.02
>
> Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: New running Corvair Built by Tim Hansen |
Congrats, Tim! Do you have any video to put up on YouTube? I want to hear that
great sound!
Awesome job, Tim!!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Metal tube frames |
Here is a link to a great discussion on risk management written by William a Wynne-
http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/17/steel-tube-fuselages-safe-planes-and-250mph-accidents/
My steel tube fuselage built to the plans weighed 43.5 pounds, minus the gear.
YMMV.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Metal tube frames |
Terry,
This is a great opportunity for comparison. My wooden airframe is in my shop with
two coats of varnish. I haven't yet re-installed the torque tube, instruments,
seat belts, gear legs or hardware. It is bare bones wood but the entire
airframe is there.
If you describe to me what your steel tube fuselage currently has in addition to
the simple structure - (turtledeck, seats, firewall, controls, instruments)
I'll weigh mine in exactly the same configuration as I re-assemble for my pre-cover
inspection. (Mine is the long fuselage per the plans supplement.).
Scott K. Burlington
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:53 PM, "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Here is a link to a great discussion on risk management written by William a
Wynne-
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> http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/17/steel-tube-fuselages-safe-planes-and-250mph-accidents/
>
> My steel tube fuselage built to the plans weighed 43.5 pounds, minus the gear.
YMMV.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Metal tube frames |
Fuselage only. No gear, seats, turtledeck. Nada.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: steel tube fuselage |
Well I think next will looking into a good Tig set up and practice. Thank
you all for advice.
Ben W.
On Mar 29, 2015 6:01 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> If I were building again, I=99d do a steel tube fuse. I have a woo
d
> fuselage.
>
>
> If you can weld, or even tack and have a pro finish them up, it has many
> advantages to my mind.
>
>
> 1. It is lighter. Nobody can ever agree upon how much lighter
> because guys will weigh their wood and steel fuselages for comparison but
> usually in different stages of completion so the numbers are usually
> meaningless. There is consensus however that the steel is lighter, by ho
w
> much exactly is a question. I=99ve heard from five pounds to twent
y pounds.
> Take your pick
>
> 2. If you can weld it is quicker
>
> 3. It is stronger, but who cares, the wood fuse is plenty strong
>
> 4. Possibly cheaper
>
> 5. Better in a crash
>
> 6. Much easier to add access door/doors if you=99re into that
.
>
> 7. One could even say it=99s original since BP drew plans for
it
>
> 8. You probably have more freedom about the type of tail wheel you
> can use since it=99s a stronger connection. I=99ve heard of
a few tail wheels
> ripping out of wood fuselages for various reasons, usually a rotted back
> end or a long spring type which gives way too much leverage under side lo
ad
> than the wood will take.
>
>
> Drawbacks??
>
>
> 1. Lack of coolness/nostalgia factor when you look in the cockpit
>
>
> $.02
>
>
> Douwe
>
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| Subject: | Corvair College #33 Update |
For those of you considering attending Corvair College #33, William Wynne put an
update out on changes that sound like it will make it an even better event-
http://flycorvair.net/2015/03/29/corvair-college-33-relocated-to-grassroots-airport/
I believe that sign up ends tonight, so don't miss the deadline if you are thinking
about going.
I look forward to seeing this new location. It sounds great!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Who Would Like To Get A Huge Boost In Their Build? |
I am glad it all worked out for every one!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Metal tube frames |
Okay, my turtledeck is attached as are the combings ahead of the rear and fr
ont pit and seats. I'll weigh mine at this stage and if you're able to wei
gh yours at that point we could then make an apples to apples comparison onc
e and for all between wood and steel.
If not, I guess the mystery and the debate will continue.
Scott
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:41 PM, "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
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> Fuselage only. No gear, seats, turtledeck. Nada.
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> Semper Fi,
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> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Metal tube frames |
I will try and do that when the time comes.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Metal tube frames |
I will also do my best to provide accurate weights at various stages for people
to have more accurate data to compare.... Worked on the cabaine ftgs today. Always
frustrating to do things again that I thought were finished but the end
justifies the means. It was a beautiful day in the workshop...... Yes, people
are what it is all about.............
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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