---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/29/15: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:00 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/27/15 (William Wynne) 2. 01:26 AM - New running Corvair Built by Tim Hansen (William Wynne) 3. 05:13 AM - Re: Who Would Like To Get A Huge Boost In Their Build? (Yahoo! Account Service) 4. 05:58 AM - steel tube fuselage (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 06:30 AM - Re: steel tube fuselage (Jack) 6. 10:44 AM - Re: New running Corvair Built by Tim Hansen (jarheadpilot82) 7. 10:51 AM - Re: Metal tube frames (jarheadpilot82) 8. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Metal tube frames (Scott Knowlton) 9. 12:39 PM - Re: Metal tube frames (jarheadpilot82) 10. 01:17 PM - Re: steel tube fuselage (benjamin piet) 11. 04:37 PM - Corvair College #33 Update (jarheadpilot82) 12. 05:26 PM - Re: Who Would Like To Get A Huge Boost In Their Build? (jarheadpilot82) 13. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Metal tube frames (Scott Knowlton) 14. 07:17 PM - Re: Metal tube frames (jarheadpilot82) 15. 11:07 PM - Re: Metal tube frames (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/27/15 From: "William Wynne" Stu, Corvair College #33 is not canceled at all. We have moved the event to Mid Florida airport at Eustis, A friendly welcoming privately owned grass strip 14 miles from Leesburg. I was there today putting the last touches on the arrangements with the airport owner Mr. Rama and the manager Rex Wyatt. The setting is pure grass roots aviation, without the tower, chain link fence, gate swipe cards and barbed wire required at the Leesburg public airport. Although we has two previous successful Colleges working with EAA 534, and the leadership of the chapter had agreed to host college #33 weeks ago before we opened the sign up, The EAA 534 president emailed me 4 days to say his chapter was backing out. His official reason was that he claimed he just found out that we had originally considered Palatka airport for #33, and this quote "Dissed" his chapter. Although 534 made over $1,000 profit last year doing the food, and I donated a core engine to the chapter and a full set of Corvair materials, The event chairman said "There as nothing in hosting for 534" No appeal to common sense citing the late date and the fact people had long bought airline tickets moved either man. Not a problem, we are glad to move the event a few miles down the road and work with the private airport at Eustis. People signed up for the college will get a complete brief on the improved location after sign up closes at 9m tonight. Stu, if you mistakenly told any other group the event was canceled, please let me know so I can correct it there also. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439993#439993 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: New running Corvair Built by Tim Hansen From: "William Wynne" Piet Fans, Here is a link to a story about a Corvair built by Piet builder Tim Hansen of Orient Ohio: http://flycorvair.net/2015/03/29/100-hp-corvair-tim-hansen-persistance-pays/ Tim has attended previous colleges, and came down to out airport in Florida this weekend to finish and test run his engine. The story has a number of good pictures, and contains motivational stuff centered on "Persistence Pays." -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439994#439994 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:35 AM PST US From: Yahoo! Account Service Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Who Would Like To Get A Huge Boost In Their Build? Terry and all, Thanks to Terry's post we have a project to work on in the Sun N Fun hands on wood shop this year. Tony from Alabama will send down a Fin and Rudder material kit and we will meet him somewhere on I 75 on the way north with a completed fin and rudder. Anyone planning to come to Sun N Fun, please stop by the Wood Shop and see the progress, we will also be building wing ribs, and there will be a lot of Pietenpol talk. Also, if you can give a spare a few hours please PM me. As Terry said I have been a volunteer here for years, it is very rewarding. As Paul Poberezny use to say "you start coming for the airplanes and keep coming for the people" Skip -----Original Message----- >From: jarheadpilot82 >Sent: Mar 27, 2015 11:19 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who Would Like To Get A Huge Boost In Their Build? > > >Did the Subject Line get your attention? I hope so. > >I spoke this afternoon to Skip Gadd, who is already down at Sun-N-Fun. He and his wife have gone down there for years helping set up. He has worked in the Hands On Workshops for most, if not all of that time. He has worked with many people such as Dick Navratil and (I think) Dave Aldrich from the forum. Typically they build Pietenpol parts, such as the ribs, the empennage, the fuselage, among others. I think last year they worked on floats for Dick's Sky Scout project. Well, this year they have no specific project to work on. So here is where you come in. > >If you have the materials for some phase of your build, but have not had the time, and can get the materials to Sun-N-Fun, they would like to help boost your project along by building some portion of your Pietenpol project either for you, or with you, if you have the time to be there. The Pietenpol has always been a popular project in the Hand On Woodworking Workshop, and they would like this year to be no different. These are experienced builders, so they would do a great job. They would like to make it a win-win for everyone. They get a project to work on, and you get a big boost to your project. > >If you have an interest, please either PM me, or you can email me at jarheadpilot82 (at) hotmail (dot) com. I can then get you Skip's contact info. Skip is having a little trouble with his internet service, so I told him that I would post it for him. > >I hope to hear from some lucky soul real soon! > >-------- >Semper Fi, > >Terry Hand >Athens, GA > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439971#439971 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:56 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: steel tube fuselage If I were building again, I'd do a steel tube fuse. I have a wood fuselage. If you can weld, or even tack and have a pro finish them up, it has many advantages to my mind. 1. It is lighter. Nobody can ever agree upon how much lighter because guys will weigh their wood and steel fuselages for comparison but usually in different stages of completion so the numbers are usually meaningless. There is consensus however that the steel is lighter, by how much exactly is a question. I've heard from five pounds to twenty pounds. Take your pick 2. If you can weld it is quicker 3. It is stronger, but who cares, the wood fuse is plenty strong 4. Possibly cheaper 5. Better in a crash 6. Much easier to add access door/doors if you're into that. 7. One could even say it's original since BP drew plans for it 8. You probably have more freedom about the type of tail wheel you can use since it's a stronger connection. I've heard of a few tail wheels ripping out of wood fuselages for various reasons, usually a rotted back end or a long spring type which gives way too much leverage under side load than the wood will take. Drawbacks?? 1. Lack of coolness/nostalgia factor when you look in the cockpit $.02 Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: steel tube fuselage From: Jack Agreed Bill BUT, a big challenge for me is coping the cuts well. For my mou nt and gear I went through a bunch of 4130... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:03 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > > If I were building again, I=99d do a steel tube fuse. I have a wood fuselage. > > If you can weld, or even tack and have a pro finish them up, it has many a dvantages to my mind. > > 1. It is lighter. Nobody can ever agree upon how much lighter beca use guys will weigh their wood and steel fuselages for comparison but usuall y in different stages of completion so the numbers are usually meaningless. There is consensus however that the steel is lighter, by how much exactly i s a question. I=99ve heard from five pounds to twenty pounds. Take y our pick > 2. If you can weld it is quicker > 3. It is stronger, but who cares, the wood fuse is plenty strong > 4. Possibly cheaper > 5. Better in a crash > 6. Much easier to add access door/doors if you=99re into that. > 7. One could even say it=99s original since BP drew plans for i t > 8. You probably have more freedom about the type of tail wheel you c an use since it=99s a stronger connection. I=99ve heard of a fe w tail wheels ripping out of wood fuselages for various reasons, usually a r otted back end or a long spring type which gives way too much leverage under side load than the wood will take. > > > Drawbacks?? > > 1. Lack of coolness/nostalgia factor when you look in the cockpit > > > > $.02 > > Douwe > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New running Corvair Built by Tim Hansen From: "jarheadpilot82" Congrats, Tim! Do you have any video to put up on YouTube? I want to hear that great sound! Awesome job, Tim!! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440009#440009 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal tube frames From: "jarheadpilot82" Here is a link to a great discussion on risk management written by William a Wynne- http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/17/steel-tube-fuselages-safe-planes-and-250mph-accidents/ My steel tube fuselage built to the plans weighed 43.5 pounds, minus the gear. YMMV. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440010#440010 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal tube frames From: Scott Knowlton Terry, This is a great opportunity for comparison. My wooden airframe is in my shop with two coats of varnish. I haven't yet re-installed the torque tube, instruments, seat belts, gear legs or hardware. It is bare bones wood but the entire airframe is there. If you describe to me what your steel tube fuselage currently has in addition to the simple structure - (turtledeck, seats, firewall, controls, instruments) I'll weigh mine in exactly the same configuration as I re-assemble for my pre-cover inspection. (Mine is the long fuselage per the plans supplement.). Scott K. Burlington Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:53 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > > Here is a link to a great discussion on risk management written by William a Wynne- > > http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/17/steel-tube-fuselages-safe-planes-and-250mph-accidents/ > > My steel tube fuselage built to the plans weighed 43.5 pounds, minus the gear. YMMV. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440010#440010 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal tube frames From: "jarheadpilot82" Fuselage only. No gear, seats, turtledeck. Nada. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440013#440013 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: steel tube fuselage From: benjamin piet Well I think next will looking into a good Tig set up and practice. Thank you all for advice. Ben W. On Mar 29, 2015 6:01 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > If I were building again, I=99d do a steel tube fuse. I have a woo d > fuselage. > > > If you can weld, or even tack and have a pro finish them up, it has many > advantages to my mind. > > > 1. It is lighter. Nobody can ever agree upon how much lighter > because guys will weigh their wood and steel fuselages for comparison but > usually in different stages of completion so the numbers are usually > meaningless. There is consensus however that the steel is lighter, by ho w > much exactly is a question. I=99ve heard from five pounds to twent y pounds. > Take your pick > > 2. If you can weld it is quicker > > 3. It is stronger, but who cares, the wood fuse is plenty strong > > 4. Possibly cheaper > > 5. Better in a crash > > 6. Much easier to add access door/doors if you=99re into that .. > > 7. One could even say it=99s original since BP drew plans for it > > 8. You probably have more freedom about the type of tail wheel you > can use since it=99s a stronger connection. I=99ve heard of a few tail wheels > ripping out of wood fuselages for various reasons, usually a rotted back > end or a long spring type which gives way too much leverage under side lo ad > than the wood will take. > > > Drawbacks?? > > > 1. Lack of coolness/nostalgia factor when you look in the cockpit > > > $.02 > > > Douwe > > * > =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #33 Update From: "jarheadpilot82" For those of you considering attending Corvair College #33, William Wynne put an update out on changes that sound like it will make it an even better event- http://flycorvair.net/2015/03/29/corvair-college-33-relocated-to-grassroots-airport/ I believe that sign up ends tonight, so don't miss the deadline if you are thinking about going. I look forward to seeing this new location. It sounds great! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440022#440022 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Who Would Like To Get A Huge Boost In Their Build? From: "jarheadpilot82" I am glad it all worked out for every one! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440023#440023 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal tube frames From: Scott Knowlton Okay, my turtledeck is attached as are the combings ahead of the rear and fr ont pit and seats. I'll weigh mine at this stage and if you're able to wei gh yours at that point we could then make an apples to apples comparison onc e and for all between wood and steel. If not, I guess the mystery and the debate will continue. Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:41 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > mail.com> > > Fuselage only. No gear, seats, turtledeck. Nada. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440013#440013 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal tube frames From: "jarheadpilot82" I will try and do that when the time comes. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440027#440027 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal tube frames From: "aerocarjake" I will also do my best to provide accurate weights at various stages for people to have more accurate data to compare.... Worked on the cabaine ftgs today. Always frustrating to do things again that I thought were finished but the end justifies the means. It was a beautiful day in the workshop...... 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