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1. 05:32 AM - How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? (Jim Markle)
2. 05:41 AM - Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? (Gary Boothe)
3. 06:13 AM - Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? (Ken Bickers)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? (tools)
5. 08:12 AM - Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
6. 09:14 AM - Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? (Steven Dortch)
7. 10:32 AM - Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? (dfwplt)
8. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? (Ben Charvet)
9. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? (Steven Dortch)
10. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? (Steven Dortch)
11. 03:48 PM - Heat gun on ceconite (Steven Dortch)
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| Subject: | How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? |
For the fabric on the wing bottom of the wing......I'm thinking about doing this
last wing by painting some adhesive (Stewart Systems) onto the under cambered
area of the rib, then lay anti chafe tape over than while it's tacky, then paint
on another coat of adhesive. Then lay the fabric on top of that and lay
on more adhesive and wipe.
I wonder if anti chafe tape is even necessary where the fabric will be glued to
the rib??? Seems like anti chafe tape is better where there's not adhesive and
the fabric is not attached to the surface.
All that BEFORE any shrinking. I did the first wing panel differently and it was
a pain.
Is that anywhere near how you did it?
Thanks!
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? |
I did not attach to the under camber...or any other part of the ribs, just let
the stitching pull it in; however, I'm recovering a Baby Ace where the former
owner did attach fabric to the ribs with Eco-Bond. It's a bit of a pain getting
that old fabric off as, I'm not careful, it continually wants to pull wood with
it. Just sayin'....
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 5:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric?
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For the fabric on the wing bottom of the wing......I'm thinking about doing this
last wing by painting some adhesive (Stewart Systems) onto the under cambered
area of the rib, then lay anti chafe tape over than while it's tacky, then paint
on another coat of adhesive. Then lay the fabric on top of that and lay
on more adhesive and wipe.
I wonder if anti chafe tape is even necessary where the fabric will be glued to
the rib??? Seems like anti chafe tape is better where there's not adhesive and
the fabric is not attached to the surface.
All that BEFORE any shrinking. I did the first wing panel differently and it was
a pain.
Is that anywhere near how you did it?
Thanks!
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? |
Jim, no need for the glue. The rib stitching will pull the fabric tight
against the rib. Ken
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I did not attach to the under camber...or any other part of the ribs, just
> let the stitching pull it in; however, I'm recovering a Baby Ace where the
> former owner did attach fabric to the ribs with Eco-Bond. It's a bit of a
> pain getting that old fabric off as, I'm not careful, it continually wants
> to pull wood with it. Just sayin'....
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 5:32 AM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric?
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> --> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> For the fabric on the wing bottom of the wing......I'm thinking about
> doing this last wing by painting some adhesive (Stewart Systems) onto the
> under cambered area of the rib, then lay anti chafe tape over than while
> it's tacky, then paint on another coat of adhesive. Then lay the fabric on
> top of that and lay on more adhesive and wipe.
>
> I wonder if anti chafe tape is even necessary where the fabric will be
> glued to the rib??? Seems like anti chafe tape is better where there's not
> adhesive and the fabric is not attached to the surface.
>
> All that BEFORE any shrinking. I did the first wing panel differently and
> it was a pain.
>
> Is that anywhere near how you did it?
>
> Thanks!
> Jim in Pryor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? |
+ 3 for gluing not necessary. Poly fiber basically has you shrinking to 250, stitching,
then final shrinking for under camber. This is what we did on the standard
j-1, which is much more heavily under cambered and it worked great.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440918#440918
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| Subject: | Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? |
Eco bond as in Home Depot Eco bond?
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> On Apr 16, 2015, at 5:40 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I did not attach to the under camber...or any other part of the ribs, just let
the stitching pull it in; however, I'm recovering a Baby Ace where the former
owner did attach fabric to the ribs with Eco-Bond. It's a bit of a pain getting
that old fabric off as, I'm not careful, it continually wants to pull wood
with it. Just sayin'....
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 5:32 AM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric?
>
> --> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> For the fabric on the wing bottom of the wing......I'm thinking about doing this
last wing by painting some adhesive (Stewart Systems) onto the under cambered
area of the rib, then lay anti chafe tape over than while it's tacky, then
paint on another coat of adhesive. Then lay the fabric on top of that and lay
on more adhesive and wipe.
>
> I wonder if anti chafe tape is even necessary where the fabric will be glued
to the rib??? Seems like anti chafe tape is better where there's not adhesive
and the fabric is not attached to the surface.
>
> All that BEFORE any shrinking. I did the first wing panel differently and it
was a pain.
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> Is that anywhere near how you did it?
>
> Thanks!
> Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? |
I think with all those Couandas pushing up on the bottom, it should not
need glueing on the bottom. The rib lacing will help hold the top cloth on
when the Bernoullis are lifting on that surface.
I don't recall the Stewart system manual requiring glue on any ribs. But I
don't think it would hurt.
On Apr 16, 2015 8:15 AM, "Ken Bickers" <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jim, no need for the glue. The rib stitching will pull the fabric tight
> against the rib. Ken
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> I did not attach to the under camber...or any other part of the ribs,
>> just let the stitching pull it in; however, I'm recovering a Baby Ace where
>> the former owner did attach fabric to the ribs with Eco-Bond. It's a bit of
>> a pain getting that old fabric off as, I'm not careful, it continually
>> wants to pull wood with it. Just sayin'....
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>> NX308MB
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 5:32 AM
>> To: Pietenpol List
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric?
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>> --> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
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>> For the fabric on the wing bottom of the wing......I'm thinking about
>> doing this last wing by painting some adhesive (Stewart Systems) onto the
>> under cambered area of the rib, then lay anti chafe tape over than while
>> it's tacky, then paint on another coat of adhesive. Then lay the fabric on
>> top of that and lay on more adhesive and wipe.
>>
>> I wonder if anti chafe tape is even necessary where the fabric will be
>> glued to the rib??? Seems like anti chafe tape is better where there's not
>> adhesive and the fabric is not attached to the surface.
>>
>> All that BEFORE any shrinking. I did the first wing panel differently
>> and it was a pain.
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>> Is that anywhere near how you did it?
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>> Thanks!
>> Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? |
Thanks VERY much for all the great/quick feedback! I can move forward now.
Jim in Pryor.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440923#440923
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| Subject: | Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? |
I used the Steward glue and attached the fabric to both the top and bottom with
no antichafe. Just made sure the ribs were sanded smooth. As wide as the Pietenpol
ribs are the rib stitching is probably redundant, but it doesn't weigh much
and redundant is good aviation
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 16, 2015, at 1:32 PM, dfwplt <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? |
The online videos are a godsend. You can watch an expert show you how. I
watched them several times.
On Apr 16, 2015 3:18 PM, "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I used the Steward glue and attached the fabric to both the top and bottom
> with no antichafe. Just made sure the ribs were sanded smooth. As wide as
> the Pietenpol ribs are the rib stitching is probably redundant, but it
> doesn't weigh much and redundant is good aviation
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Apr 16, 2015, at 1:32 PM, dfwplt <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> > Thanks VERY much for all the great/quick feedback! I can move forward
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| Subject: | Re: How to attach the lower/undercamber fabric? |
Incidentally I used a harbor freight non contact or thermometer to
calibrate my iron.
I also used it to check the temp on some complex areas where I used a heat
gun.
Blue skies,
Steve D
On Apr 16, 2015 4:51 PM, "Steven Dortch" <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
> The online videos are a godsend. You can watch an expert show you how. I
> watched them several times.
> On Apr 16, 2015 3:18 PM, "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>> I used the Steward glue and attached the fabric to both the top and
>> bottom with no antichafe. Just made sure the ribs were sanded smooth. As
>> wide as the Pietenpol ribs are the rib stitching is probably redundant, but
>> it doesn't weigh much and redundant is good aviation
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Apr 16, 2015, at 1:32 PM, dfwplt <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
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>> jim_markle@mindspring.com>
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>> > Thanks VERY much for all the great/quick feedback! I can move forward
>> now.
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| Subject: | Heat gun on ceconite |
After seeing a guy on YouTube use a heat gun to snug the cloth on a cub
fuselage, I asked the list and was told emphatically not to use a heat gun.
The result? I experimented with the heat gun and found the following;
1. An iron is best for tacking the ekobond glue and shrinking the big open
areas. The big curves are best dome with an iron.
2. The heat gun will shrink fabric over nuts, bolts and around hinges. But
you have to be careful. It can burn a hole in a heartbeat. Using the IR
thermometer measuring the temp on the cloth helps control temp. Also you
will find the limit on how much the Dacron will shrink.
I was glad the list waived me off of Ruining a lot of fabric with a heat
gun. But In the tradition of EAA I experimented and found where it is
effective.
Blue skies
Steve D
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