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1. 04:21 AM - Re: New to the group... (Michael Perez)
2. 04:46 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Charles N. Campbell)
3. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: New to the group... (Jack Philips)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: New to the group... (Steven Dortch)
5. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: New to the group... (Jack Philips)
6. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: New to the group... (Robert Gow)
7. 08:03 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause)
8. 08:14 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Gary Boothe)
9. 08:19 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (AircamperN11MS)
10. 08:25 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause)
11. 08:28 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause)
12. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause)
13. 08:33 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (AircamperN11MS)
14. 08:38 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (AircamperN11MS)
15. 08:48 AM - I will try his again... (Ray Krause)
16. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause)
17. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Piet pics (Gary Boothe)
18. 08:59 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (AircamperN11MS)
19. 10:47 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Steven Dortch)
20. 10:52 AM - Re: I will try his again... (Steven Dortch)
21. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause)
22. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause)
23. 12:25 PM - Re: I will try his again... (aerocarjake)
24. 01:53 PM - welcome (Douwe Blumberg)
25. 03:19 PM - Re: welcome (Jack Philips)
26. 05:00 PM - Re: welcome (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
27. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: I will try his again... (Ray Krause)
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| Subject: | Re: New to the group... |
Welcome to the Pietenpol Community Travis. I was in your shoes, (minus the A65)
back in 2008. I "finished" the plane last August. I say "finished" because I
had it assembled for photos, but then disassembled it to store at home. I still
need to locate a hangar and do final assembly.
I am currently working on my private pilot certificate. It has been a slow process,
(like the build itself) but as noted by others; stay with it and eventually
we'll get there. However, I did find it helpful to take a break now and again
to do other things rather than work on the plane day in and day out. I found
that taking some time off, a few days to a couple weeks at a time, allowed me
to come back to it with fresh eyes and refreshed motivation to continue.
"You've taken your first step into a larger world."
Again, welcome aboard.
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
Ray, I didn't get a message (if it was directed to me.) Chuck
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: New to the group... |
Looks nice, Travis. It's got chromed cylinders, shielded ignition and comes
with a prop hub (those are getting scarce and are worth about $500 in good
condition) - all good things to have.
So you've already made one of the many decisions required to build a
Pietenpol - what engine to use. Now you'll need to make all the other
decisions - one piece or three piece wing, split axle or straight axle
landing gear, and dozens of other decisions.
Are you currently working on your pilot's license? I would not recommend
planning on learning in your Pietenpol unless you've already got an
instructor who a) has a lot of time in Pietenpols and b) has agreed to teach
you in it. As a flight instructor with considerable time in Pietenpols I
would not want to teach a new student in one, unless it had brakes in the
front cockpit (which most do not). I would recommend learning in something
like a Cessna 150, then getting 10 or 20 hours in a J-3 Cub before climbing
into your Pietenpol.
You've already gotten good advice about the Bingelis books. I strongly
recommend trying to get to Brodhead (if you're going to Oshkosh anyway,
Brodhead is just 90 miles south of Oshkosh and is the weekend before
Oshkosh). That's the best place to see a variety of Pietenpols and talk
with the builders. While at Oshkosh, plan to attend the Pietenpol Forum (if
there is one) and spend some time in the woodworking workshop, as well as
the PolyFiber fabric workshop.
Good Luck,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WingingIt74
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group...
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Here is my A65.
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-Travis
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| Subject: | Re: New to the group... |
I disagree with Jack slightly, I would see if you can find someone who will
teach in a taildragger from the getgo. If you start with the tail wheel it
is easier than trying to transition to a tailwheel from a training wheel.
BUT my disagreement is not set in concrete. If the best deal is a Cessna
150 instructor, don't hesitate. Get them to teach you. you can transition.
I always try to do two things before I post a question on the list. #1 did
Uncle Tony (Bingelis) write about it, #2 I do a "Matronics Pietenpol"
Google search about the subject. Then you can ask the question with some
good background.
Uncle Tony will give you several ways to do something, but he did not
consider everything and some of his information is a little dated. Also His
books can be hard to look through, very little is indexed.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
wrote:
> jack@bedfordlandings.com>
>
> Looks nice, Travis. It's got chromed cylinders, shielded ignition and
> comes
> with a prop hub (those are getting scarce and are worth about $500 in good
> condition) - all good things to have.
>
> So you've already made one of the many decisions required to build a
> Pietenpol - what engine to use. Now you'll need to make all the other
> decisions - one piece or three piece wing, split axle or straight axle
> landing gear, and dozens of other decisions.
>
> Are you currently working on your pilot's license? I would not recommend
> planning on learning in your Pietenpol unless you've already got an
> instructor who a) has a lot of time in Pietenpols and b) has agreed to
> teach
> you in it. As a flight instructor with considerable time in Pietenpols I
> would not want to teach a new student in one, unless it had brakes in the
> front cockpit (which most do not). I would recommend learning in something
> like a Cessna 150, then getting 10 or 20 hours in a J-3 Cub before climbing
> into your Pietenpol.
>
> You've already gotten good advice about the Bingelis books. I strongly
> recommend trying to get to Brodhead (if you're going to Oshkosh anyway,
> Brodhead is just 90 miles south of Oshkosh and is the weekend before
> Oshkosh). That's the best place to see a variety of Pietenpols and talk
> with the builders. While at Oshkosh, plan to attend the Pietenpol Forum
> (if
> there is one) and spend some time in the woodworking workshop, as well as
> the PolyFiber fabric workshop.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> WingingIt74
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:59 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group...
>
> --> <wingingit74@gmail.com>
>
> Here is my A65.
>
> --------
> -Travis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442303#442303
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: New to the group... |
Steve, the only reason I didn=99t recommend starting in a
taildragger is that there are VERY few schools that will teach from the
ground up in a taildragger. Insurance is just too expensive. I
recently investigated what the insurance costs would be for me to offer
tailwheel endorsement training in my Cessna 170 and gave up due to the
expense. I=99m currently paying about $500 a year for full hull
insurance and liability. To insure it for tailwheel checkouts (NOT
allowing the student to solo my airplane, mind, but with me giving dual
in it) the insurance premium jumped to $3500 a year! Since I doubt I
would do over $3,000 worth of tailwheel endorsements a year, I declined.
I never even asked what the insurance would cost if I let a tailwheel
student solo my airplane.
By all means, if you live near a flight school that instructs in
tailwheel airplanes, such as they have at Poplar Grove, Illinois, or
Hartford, Wisconsin, then go for it. But having a flight school close
by where you can learn the basics of flying and then transitioning to
tailwheel training after you get your license is probably the better
course.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Dortch
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group...
I disagree with Jack slightly, I would see if you can find someone who
will teach in a taildragger from the getgo. If you start with the tail
wheel it is easier than trying to transition to a tailwheel from a
training wheel. BUT my disagreement is not set in concrete. If the best
deal is a Cessna 150 instructor, don't hesitate. Get them to teach you.
you can transition.
I always try to do two things before I post a question on the list. #1
did Uncle Tony (Bingelis) write about it, #2 I do a "Matronics
Pietenpol" Google search about the subject. Then you can ask the
question with some good background.
Uncle Tony will give you several ways to do something, but he did not
consider everything and some of his information is a little dated. Also
His books can be hard to look through, very little is indexed.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com
<mailto:jack@bedfordlandings.com> > wrote:
<jack@bedfordlandings.com <mailto:jack@bedfordlandings.com> >
Looks nice, Travis. It's got chromed cylinders, shielded ignition and
comes
with a prop hub (those are getting scarce and are worth about $500 in
good
condition) - all good things to have.
So you've already made one of the many decisions required to build a
Pietenpol - what engine to use. Now you'll need to make all the other
decisions - one piece or three piece wing, split axle or straight axle
landing gear, and dozens of other decisions.
Are you currently working on your pilot's license? I would not
recommend
planning on learning in your Pietenpol unless you've already got an
instructor who a) has a lot of time in Pietenpols and b) has agreed to
teach
you in it. As a flight instructor with considerable time in Pietenpols
I
would not want to teach a new student in one, unless it had brakes in
the
front cockpit (which most do not). I would recommend learning in
something
like a Cessna 150, then getting 10 or 20 hours in a J-3 Cub before
climbing
into your Pietenpol.
You've already gotten good advice about the Bingelis books. I strongly
recommend trying to get to Brodhead (if you're going to Oshkosh anyway,
Brodhead is just 90 miles south of Oshkosh and is the weekend before
Oshkosh). That's the best place to see a variety of Pietenpols and talk
with the builders. While at Oshkosh, plan to attend the Pietenpol Forum
(if
there is one) and spend some time in the woodworking workshop, as well
as
the PolyFiber fabric workshop.
Good Luck,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> ] On Behalf Of
WingingIt74
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group...
--> <wingingit74@gmail.com <mailto:wingingit74@gmail.com> >
Here is my A65.
--------
-Travis
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442303#442303
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br> enpol-List"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
FORUMS -
_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
b Site -
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target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: New to the group... |
I did my pilot=99s license in a Cessna 150 and then bought a Taylor
craft BC
12D. The transition was painless.
Robert Gow,
President and DAO Manager.
Avionics Design Services Ltd.
Phn 705-527-6095
Cell 416-434-3393
Fax 705-527-6028
<http://www.avionicsdesign.ca/> www.avionicsdesign.ca
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Dortch
Sent: May 19, 2015 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group...
I disagree with Jack slightly, I would see if you can find someone who wi
ll
teach in a taildragger from the getgo. If you start with the tail wheel i
t
is easier than trying to transition to a tailwheel from a training wheel.
BUT my disagreement is not set in concrete. If the best deal is a Cessna
150
instructor, don't hesitate. Get them to teach you. you can transition.
I always try to do two things before I post a question on the list. #1 d
id
Uncle Tony (Bingelis) write about it, #2 I do a "Matronics Pietenpol" Goo
gle
search about the subject. Then you can ask the question with some good
background.
Uncle Tony will give you several ways to do something, but he did not
consider everything and some of his information is a little dated. Also H
is
books can be hard to look through, very little is indexed.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com>
wrote:
<jack@bedfordlandings.com>
Looks nice, Travis. It's got chromed cylinders, shielded ignition and co
mes
with a prop hub (those are getting scarce and are worth about $500 in goo
d
condition) - all good things to have.
So you've already made one of the many decisions required to build a
Pietenpol - what engine to use. Now you'll need to make all the other
decisions - one piece or three piece wing, split axle or straight axle
landing gear, and dozens of other decisions.
Are you currently working on your pilot's license? I would not recommend
planning on learning in your Pietenpol unless you've already got an
instructor who a) has a lot of time in Pietenpols and b) has agreed to te
ach
you in it. As a flight instructor with considerable time in Pietenpols I
would not want to teach a new student in one, unless it had brakes in the
front cockpit (which most do not). I would recommend learning in somethi
ng
like a Cessna 150, then getting 10 or 20 hours in a J-3 Cub before climbi
ng
into your Pietenpol.
You've already gotten good advice about the Bingelis books. I strongly
recommend trying to get to Brodhead (if you're going to Oshkosh anyway,
Brodhead is just 90 miles south of Oshkosh and is the weekend before
Oshkosh). That's the best place to see a variety of Pietenpols and talk
with the builders. While at Oshkosh, plan to attend the Pietenpol Forum
(if
there is one) and spend some time in the woodworking workshop, as well as
the PolyFiber fabric workshop.
Good Luck,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WingingIt
74
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group...
--> <wingingit74@gmail.com>
Here is my A65.
--------
-Travis
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442303#442303
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br> enpol-List"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
FORUMS -
_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
b Site -
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
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Ray,
Your emails are still coming across as blank...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Piet pics
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
Ray,
Squak 1200 and Ident please.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
Damn. Not sure what's happening. I sent them with three photos that I re-sized.
They arrive on my computer OK. I will try with just one photo.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On May 19, 2015, at 8:14 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Ray,
>
> Your emails are still coming across as blank...
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:02 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Piet pics
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
Maybe I should squak 7700!
Will try again. Seems to be a problem with adding photos it has always worke
d for me before. I will try with just one photo. I resized it to 640 X 640, s
till too big?
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On May 19, 2015, at 8:19 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wro
te:
>
ty.org>
>
> Ray,
>
> Squak 1200 and Ident please.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
Hmm, As Sargent Shultz would say. I see nothing
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
Ray,
I was starting to worry that you broke the Matronics site. Whew, I see that it
still functions. Your plane looks nice. Can't wait to see it in person.
Cheers and congratulations,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | I will try his again... |
Chuck,
I've been trying to send you a message for the last few days! I have included pictures
of my progress, but guess the pictures have been too large. I re-sized
them and will try again. The following is what I was trying to send, bunt with
smaller pictures:
Great progress and nice pictures. I hope to start covering my wings next week.
This last week and this week I am finishing up the fuselage. All control surfaces
are covered and painted. I will send some pictures.
Sorry the last email did not go through... A mystery to me!
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
Not too sure what went through! I don't want to break anything, guess I will let
it rest for a while.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On May 19, 2015, at 8:38 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
>
>
> Ray,
>
> I was starting to worry that you broke the Matronics site. Whew, I see that
it still functions. Your plane looks nice. Can't wait to see it in person.
>
> Cheers and congratulations,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442341#442341
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
If smoke's not coming out of your computer, you should be fine! Your
pictures are looking great!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics
--> <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
Not too sure what went through! I don't want to break anything, guess I will
let it rest for a while.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On May 19, 2015, at 8:38 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
wrote:
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> --> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
> Ray,
>
> I was starting to worry that you broke the Matronics site. Whew, I see
that it still functions. Your plane looks nice. Can't wait to see it in
person.
>
> Cheers and congratulations,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442341#442341
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
A single pic looking down into your cockpit from the right side. I see your problem.
The transponder is not turn on. In fact, I don't even see one. :) Anyway,
you managed to get one pic through. Now get back to work on your plane.
You have less than 3 weeks to finish it and get it to the gathering.
Happy building,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
Yeah I am also receiving blanks.
On May 19, 2015 10:32 AM, "Ray Krause" <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: I will try his again... |
Got it, and worth the wait. Looks great.
Steve D
On May 19, 2015 10:50 AM, "Ray Krause" <Raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>
> Chuck,
> I've been trying to send you a message for the last few days! I have
> included pictures of my progress, but guess the pictures have been too
> large. I re-sized them and will try again. The following is what I was
> trying to send, bunt with smaller pictures:
>
> Great progress and nice pictures. I hope to start covering my wings next
> week. This last week and this week I am finishing up the fuselage. All
> control surfaces are covered and painted. I will send some pictures.
>
> Sorry the last email did not go through... A mystery to me!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442342#442342
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_241.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_360.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
The smoke is staying inside the computer on this end, so I should be OK.
Thanks,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On May 19, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> If smoke's not coming out of your computer, you should be fine! Your
> pictures are looking great!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:51 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics
>
> --> <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>
> Not too sure what went through! I don't want to break anything, guess I will
> let it rest for a while.
>
> Ray
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On May 19, 2015, at 8:38 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> --> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>>
>> Ray,
>>
>> I was starting to worry that you broke the Matronics site. Whew, I see
> that it still functions. Your plane looks nice. Can't wait to see it in
> person.
>>
>> Cheers and congratulations,
>>
>> --------
>> Scott Liefeld
>> Flying N11MS since March 1972
>> Steel Tube
>> C-85-12
>> Wire Wheels
>> Brodhead in 1996
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442341#442341
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Piet pics |
I'm on it!
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On May 19, 2015, at 8:59 AM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
>
>
> A single pic looking down into your cockpit from the right side. I see your
problem. The transponder is not turn on. In fact, I don't even see one. :)
Anyway, you managed to get one pic through. Now get back to work on your plane.
You have less than 3 weeks to finish it and get it to the gathering.
>
> Happy building,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442344#442344
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| Subject: | Re: I will try his again... |
Looks wonderful....!!!!!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Welcome Travis!
Looks like a nice engine; seems like someone care of it. My first
suggestion is you skip that "other" fly-in and go to Brodhead instead, much
more interesting. (kidding. Kinda.)
I have always thought it was good advise to start work on the tail feathers
to kind of get the hang of reading the plans, working with wood and some
metal without a huge investment in resources, space or time. You could even
cover them and use them for daydreaming fodder to keep you going through the
rest of the project.
You will undoubtedly here this a lot, but it is true. 1. Build to the
plans; don't change or add a lot of stuff 2. Keep it light. Built to
plans it is a very light plane, but we usually keep adding this and that and
before you know it. there's a big performance difference between a light A65
piet and a heavy one. 3. Get the bingilis books from EAA 4. Touch the
project every day if at all possible 5. Think of it as a series of smaller
building projects rather than one big project and you'll enjoy a great sense
of accomplishment each time you finish something significant and you're that
much closer. 6. Ask questions and don't ever let stupid answers or rude
people stop you from asking, just ignore them. We're mostly pretty friendly,
but as in all gatherings of human beings there are some that are nicer than
others. Just ignore those.
$.02
Douwe
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SHUT UP, DOUWE!!
Just kidding. Douwe's right. Do everything you can to keep it light.
Douwe and I have the honor of having two of the heaviest Piets around. He
has 85 or 90 horsepower, I just have 65 and mine is a pretty slow-climbing
airplane. On a short runway with trees at the end every takeoff is a botany
study.
One thing I differ with Douwe on is where to start. I think the tail pieces
are some of the most difficult parts to understand the drawings (and I'm a
career design engineer, so am used to reading blueprints). I think building
the wing ribs is the most practical place to start. All 30 ribs just makes
a stack 15" high so they are easy to store, and if you have room to string
them along the spars they obviously look like a wing so your visitors don't
have to ask what it is you're building. The tail pieces could just as well
be lawn furniture until they are put together.
But it really doesn't matter, as long as you start somewhere. One of the
hardest things to do on a project of this magnitude is to pull the trigger
and get started making sawdust.
One other bit of advice - never hesitate to throw out a part that you are
not satisfied with. I ended up building about one and a half Pietenpols,
what with all the scrap parts I generated. I don't think I was unusual in
this.
One more thing. Never get in a hurry to finish. Enjoy the building
process. You will likely find once you're done that you need to build
another airplane project. I know Gary Boothe is doing so, building a
Boredom Fighter. Dan Helsper is now building a Wittman Tailwind (as is
Chuck Gantzer). Kevin Purtee is rebuilding his Pietenpol and building a
Flitzer. I'm about 8 years into a three year build of an RV-10. Building
airplanes is themost enjoyable pastime I've ever found. It's almost as much
fun as flying them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: welcome
Welcome Travis!
Looks like a nice engine; seems like someone care of it. My first
suggestion is you skip that "other" fly-in and go to Brodhead instead, much
more interesting. (kidding. Kinda.)
I have always thought it was good advise to start work on the tail feathers
to kind of get the hang of reading the plans, working with wood and some
metal without a huge investment in resources, space or time. You could even
cover them and use them for daydreaming fodder to keep you going through the
rest of the project.
You will undoubtedly here this a lot, but it is true. 1. Build to the
plans; don't change or add a lot of stuff 2. Keep it light. Built to
plans it is a very light plane, but we usually keep adding this and that and
before you know it. there's a big performance difference between a light A65
piet and a heavy one. 3. Get the bingilis books from EAA 4. Touch the
project every day if at all possible 5. Think of it as a series of smaller
building projects rather than one big project and you'll enjoy a great sense
of accomplishment each time you finish something significant and you're that
much closer. 6. Ask questions and don't ever let stupid answers or rude
people stop you from asking, just ignore them. We're mostly pretty friendly,
but as in all gatherings of human beings there are some that are nicer than
others. Just ignore those.
$.02
Douwe
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Hi Travis,
Welcome to the Pietenpol list. Having your engine already is a BIG deal
and I'm so glad you have a good Continental A-65 in hand. I have flown my
Piet many years
with the A-65 and it is a good, honest engine.
The one thing I found is that when I didn't know how to do a part of the ai
rplane I looked it up in the Bingelis books in the index. Like AN hardwa
re. Hmmm....it was like
a new foreign language to me. Tony explains it all. He takes the mystery
out of how to make a strong, light-weight cowling. He tells you HOW to i
nstall that AN hardware
too and where certain pieces are not allowed like elastic stop nuts should
not go in the engine compartment. I wouldn't have known that had I not re
ad his books.
Also, if you think a part is going to take you a week it will likely take y
ou 2 weeks. Everything took me twice as long as I had hoped or predicte
d it would take me so don't get
down on yourself for not being Speedy Gonzales.
The basic design of the Pietenpol has been flying well for more than 80 ye
ars now so if you really want to change something or modify something chanc
es are good it would have
been fine without any fussing but we as homebuilders in this country have t
he privilege (dangerous though it can be sometimes) of coming up with our
own ideas and trying them
on our planes---after all, we are (usually) the test pilot when it is built
.
On my plane I made some cosmetic changes like I raised the height of the tu
rtledeck and instrument panels by 1" to give a more rounded look. I added
belly stringers to give the fuselage
a more rounded look.
One thing that is quite tedious is getting bolts into wing and fuselage lan
ding gear/strut fittings if you don't make those fittings a little longer t
o stick thru the fabric a bit more than the plans show.
Pietenpol cut everything to the smallest part size he could but in these sp
ecial areas you want to make sure you make your metal fittings to stick out
thru the fabric enough to get a bolt thru and have
room to spin an nut or put a washer on with a cotter pin.
Keep an open mind---there are some Piet folks who have strong opinions on v
arious aspects of the plane......but we just bury them out back behind the
wood pile after Uncle Guido takes care of them!
Mike Cuy
Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: I will try his again... |
Thanks, Jake. But I don't think it will make it to Brodhead this year, but I will
be there.
Ray Krause
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> On May 19, 2015, at 12:24 PM, aerocarjake <flight.jake@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Looks wonderful....!!!!!
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442357#442357
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