---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/19/15: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:21 AM - Re: New to the group... (Michael Perez) 2. 04:46 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Charles N. Campbell) 3. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: New to the group... (Jack Philips) 4. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: New to the group... (Steven Dortch) 5. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: New to the group... (Jack Philips) 6. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: New to the group... (Robert Gow) 7. 08:03 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause) 8. 08:14 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Gary Boothe) 9. 08:19 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (AircamperN11MS) 10. 08:25 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause) 11. 08:28 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause) 12. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause) 13. 08:33 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (AircamperN11MS) 14. 08:38 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (AircamperN11MS) 15. 08:48 AM - I will try his again... (Ray Krause) 16. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause) 17. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Piet pics (Gary Boothe) 18. 08:59 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (AircamperN11MS) 19. 10:47 AM - Re: Fw: Piet pics (Steven Dortch) 20. 10:52 AM - Re: I will try his again... (Steven Dortch) 21. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause) 22. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Piet pics (Ray Krause) 23. 12:25 PM - Re: I will try his again... (aerocarjake) 24. 01:53 PM - welcome (Douwe Blumberg) 25. 03:19 PM - Re: welcome (Jack Philips) 26. 05:00 PM - Re: welcome (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 27. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: I will try his again... (Ray Krause) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:44 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New to the group... Welcome to the Pietenpol Community Travis. I was in your shoes, (minus the A65) back in 2008. I "finished" the plane last August. I say "finished" because I had it assembled for photos, but then disassembled it to store at home. I still need to locate a hangar and do final assembly. I am currently working on my private pilot certificate. It has been a slow process, (like the build itself) but as noted by others; stay with it and eventually we'll get there. However, I did find it helpful to take a break now and again to do other things rather than work on the plane day in and day out. I found that taking some time off, a few days to a couple weeks at a time, allowed me to come back to it with fresh eyes and refreshed motivation to continue. "You've taken your first step into a larger world." Again, welcome aboard. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Piet pics From: "Charles N. Campbell" Ray, I didn't get a message (if it was directed to me.) Chuck On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:25 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group... Looks nice, Travis. It's got chromed cylinders, shielded ignition and comes with a prop hub (those are getting scarce and are worth about $500 in good condition) - all good things to have. So you've already made one of the many decisions required to build a Pietenpol - what engine to use. Now you'll need to make all the other decisions - one piece or three piece wing, split axle or straight axle landing gear, and dozens of other decisions. Are you currently working on your pilot's license? I would not recommend planning on learning in your Pietenpol unless you've already got an instructor who a) has a lot of time in Pietenpols and b) has agreed to teach you in it. As a flight instructor with considerable time in Pietenpols I would not want to teach a new student in one, unless it had brakes in the front cockpit (which most do not). I would recommend learning in something like a Cessna 150, then getting 10 or 20 hours in a J-3 Cub before climbing into your Pietenpol. You've already gotten good advice about the Bingelis books. I strongly recommend trying to get to Brodhead (if you're going to Oshkosh anyway, Brodhead is just 90 miles south of Oshkosh and is the weekend before Oshkosh). That's the best place to see a variety of Pietenpols and talk with the builders. While at Oshkosh, plan to attend the Pietenpol Forum (if there is one) and spend some time in the woodworking workshop, as well as the PolyFiber fabric workshop. Good Luck, Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WingingIt74 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group... --> Here is my A65. -------- -Travis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442303#442303 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a65_and_td_010_983.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:18 AM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group... I disagree with Jack slightly, I would see if you can find someone who will teach in a taildragger from the getgo. If you start with the tail wheel it is easier than trying to transition to a tailwheel from a training wheel. BUT my disagreement is not set in concrete. If the best deal is a Cessna 150 instructor, don't hesitate. Get them to teach you. you can transition. I always try to do two things before I post a question on the list. #1 did Uncle Tony (Bingelis) write about it, #2 I do a "Matronics Pietenpol" Google search about the subject. Then you can ask the question with some good background. Uncle Tony will give you several ways to do something, but he did not consider everything and some of his information is a little dated. Also His books can be hard to look through, very little is indexed. Blue Skies, Steve D On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Jack Philips wrote: > jack@bedfordlandings.com> > > Looks nice, Travis. It's got chromed cylinders, shielded ignition and > comes > with a prop hub (those are getting scarce and are worth about $500 in good > condition) - all good things to have. > > So you've already made one of the many decisions required to build a > Pietenpol - what engine to use. Now you'll need to make all the other > decisions - one piece or three piece wing, split axle or straight axle > landing gear, and dozens of other decisions. > > Are you currently working on your pilot's license? I would not recommend > planning on learning in your Pietenpol unless you've already got an > instructor who a) has a lot of time in Pietenpols and b) has agreed to > teach > you in it. As a flight instructor with considerable time in Pietenpols I > would not want to teach a new student in one, unless it had brakes in the > front cockpit (which most do not). I would recommend learning in something > like a Cessna 150, then getting 10 or 20 hours in a J-3 Cub before climbing > into your Pietenpol. > > You've already gotten good advice about the Bingelis books. I strongly > recommend trying to get to Brodhead (if you're going to Oshkosh anyway, > Brodhead is just 90 miles south of Oshkosh and is the weekend before > Oshkosh). That's the best place to see a variety of Pietenpols and talk > with the builders. While at Oshkosh, plan to attend the Pietenpol Forum > (if > there is one) and spend some time in the woodworking workshop, as well as > the PolyFiber fabric workshop. > > Good Luck, > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > WingingIt74 > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:59 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group... > > --> > > Here is my A65. > > -------- > -Travis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442303#442303 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a65_and_td_010_983.jpg > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:58 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group... Steve, the only reason I didn=99t recommend starting in a taildragger is that there are VERY few schools that will teach from the ground up in a taildragger. Insurance is just too expensive. I recently investigated what the insurance costs would be for me to offer tailwheel endorsement training in my Cessna 170 and gave up due to the expense. I=99m currently paying about $500 a year for full hull insurance and liability. To insure it for tailwheel checkouts (NOT allowing the student to solo my airplane, mind, but with me giving dual in it) the insurance premium jumped to $3500 a year! Since I doubt I would do over $3,000 worth of tailwheel endorsements a year, I declined. I never even asked what the insurance would cost if I let a tailwheel student solo my airplane. By all means, if you live near a flight school that instructs in tailwheel airplanes, such as they have at Poplar Grove, Illinois, or Hartford, Wisconsin, then go for it. But having a flight school close by where you can learn the basics of flying and then transitioning to tailwheel training after you get your license is probably the better course. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group... I disagree with Jack slightly, I would see if you can find someone who will teach in a taildragger from the getgo. If you start with the tail wheel it is easier than trying to transition to a tailwheel from a training wheel. BUT my disagreement is not set in concrete. If the best deal is a Cessna 150 instructor, don't hesitate. Get them to teach you. you can transition. I always try to do two things before I post a question on the list. #1 did Uncle Tony (Bingelis) write about it, #2 I do a "Matronics Pietenpol" Google search about the subject. Then you can ask the question with some good background. Uncle Tony will give you several ways to do something, but he did not consider everything and some of his information is a little dated. Also His books can be hard to look through, very little is indexed. Blue Skies, Steve D On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Jack Philips > wrote: > Looks nice, Travis. It's got chromed cylinders, shielded ignition and comes with a prop hub (those are getting scarce and are worth about $500 in good condition) - all good things to have. So you've already made one of the many decisions required to build a Pietenpol - what engine to use. Now you'll need to make all the other decisions - one piece or three piece wing, split axle or straight axle landing gear, and dozens of other decisions. Are you currently working on your pilot's license? I would not recommend planning on learning in your Pietenpol unless you've already got an instructor who a) has a lot of time in Pietenpols and b) has agreed to teach you in it. As a flight instructor with considerable time in Pietenpols I would not want to teach a new student in one, unless it had brakes in the front cockpit (which most do not). I would recommend learning in something like a Cessna 150, then getting 10 or 20 hours in a J-3 Cub before climbing into your Pietenpol. You've already gotten good advice about the Bingelis books. I strongly recommend trying to get to Brodhead (if you're going to Oshkosh anyway, Brodhead is just 90 miles south of Oshkosh and is the weekend before Oshkosh). That's the best place to see a variety of Pietenpols and talk with the builders. While at Oshkosh, plan to attend the Pietenpol Forum (if there is one) and spend some time in the woodworking workshop, as well as the PolyFiber fabric workshop. Good Luck, Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of WingingIt74 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group... --> > Here is my A65. -------- -Travis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442303#442303 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a65_and_td_010_983.jpg br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:09 AM PST US From: Robert Gow Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group... I did my pilot=99s license in a Cessna 150 and then bought a Taylor craft BC 12D. The transition was painless. Robert Gow, President and DAO Manager. Avionics Design Services Ltd. Phn 705-527-6095 Cell 416-434-3393 Fax 705-527-6028 www.avionicsdesign.ca From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch Sent: May 19, 2015 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group... I disagree with Jack slightly, I would see if you can find someone who wi ll teach in a taildragger from the getgo. If you start with the tail wheel i t is easier than trying to transition to a tailwheel from a training wheel. BUT my disagreement is not set in concrete. If the best deal is a Cessna 150 instructor, don't hesitate. Get them to teach you. you can transition. I always try to do two things before I post a question on the list. #1 d id Uncle Tony (Bingelis) write about it, #2 I do a "Matronics Pietenpol" Goo gle search about the subject. Then you can ask the question with some good background. Uncle Tony will give you several ways to do something, but he did not consider everything and some of his information is a little dated. Also H is books can be hard to look through, very little is indexed. Blue Skies, Steve D On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Jack Philips wrote: Looks nice, Travis. It's got chromed cylinders, shielded ignition and co mes with a prop hub (those are getting scarce and are worth about $500 in goo d condition) - all good things to have. So you've already made one of the many decisions required to build a Pietenpol - what engine to use. Now you'll need to make all the other decisions - one piece or three piece wing, split axle or straight axle landing gear, and dozens of other decisions. Are you currently working on your pilot's license? I would not recommend planning on learning in your Pietenpol unless you've already got an instructor who a) has a lot of time in Pietenpols and b) has agreed to te ach you in it. As a flight instructor with considerable time in Pietenpols I would not want to teach a new student in one, unless it had brakes in the front cockpit (which most do not). I would recommend learning in somethi ng like a Cessna 150, then getting 10 or 20 hours in a J-3 Cub before climbi ng into your Pietenpol. You've already gotten good advice about the Bingelis books. I strongly recommend trying to get to Brodhead (if you're going to Oshkosh anyway, Brodhead is just 90 miles south of Oshkosh and is the weekend before Oshkosh). That's the best place to see a variety of Pietenpols and talk with the builders. While at Oshkosh, plan to attend the Pietenpol Forum (if there is one) and spend some time in the woodworking workshop, as well as the PolyFiber fabric workshop. Good Luck, Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WingingIt 74 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the group... --> Here is my A65. -------- -Travis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442303#442303 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a65_and_td_010_983.jpg br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:18 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Piet pics ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:59 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Piet pics Ray, Your emails are still coming across as blank... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:02 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Piet pics ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics From: "AircamperN11MS" Ray, Squak 1200 and Ident please. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442335#442335 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:53 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Piet pics Damn. Not sure what's happening. I sent them with three photos that I re-sized. They arrive on my computer OK. I will try with just one photo. Ray Sent from my iPad > On May 19, 2015, at 8:14 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > Ray, > > Your emails are still coming across as blank... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:02 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Piet pics > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:50 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Piet pics ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:10 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics Maybe I should squak 7700! Will try again. Seems to be a problem with adding photos it has always worke d for me before. I will try with just one photo. I resized it to 640 X 640, s till too big? Ray Sent from my iPad > On May 19, 2015, at 8:19 AM, AircamperN11MS wro te: > ty.org> > > Ray, > > Squak 1200 and Ident please. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442335#442335 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics From: "AircamperN11MS" Hmm, As Sargent Shultz would say. I see nothing -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442338#442338 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics From: "AircamperN11MS" Ray, I was starting to worry that you broke the Matronics site. Whew, I see that it still functions. Your plane looks nice. Can't wait to see it in person. Cheers and congratulations, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442341#442341 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: I will try his again... From: "Ray Krause" Chuck, I've been trying to send you a message for the last few days! I have included pictures of my progress, but guess the pictures have been too large. I re-sized them and will try again. The following is what I was trying to send, bunt with smaller pictures: Great progress and nice pictures. I hope to start covering my wings next week. This last week and this week I am finishing up the fuselage. All control surfaces are covered and painted. I will send some pictures. Sorry the last email did not go through... A mystery to me! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442342#442342 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_241.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_360.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:44 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics Not too sure what went through! I don't want to break anything, guess I will let it rest for a while. Ray Sent from my iPad > On May 19, 2015, at 8:38 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > Ray, > > I was starting to worry that you broke the Matronics site. Whew, I see that it still functions. Your plane looks nice. Can't wait to see it in person. > > Cheers and congratulations, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442341#442341 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:27 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics If smoke's not coming out of your computer, you should be fine! Your pictures are looking great! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics --> Not too sure what went through! I don't want to break anything, guess I will let it rest for a while. Ray Sent from my iPad > On May 19, 2015, at 8:38 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > --> > > Ray, > > I was starting to worry that you broke the Matronics site. Whew, I see that it still functions. Your plane looks nice. Can't wait to see it in person. > > Cheers and congratulations, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442341#442341 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics From: "AircamperN11MS" A single pic looking down into your cockpit from the right side. I see your problem. The transponder is not turn on. In fact, I don't even see one. :) Anyway, you managed to get one pic through. Now get back to work on your plane. You have less than 3 weeks to finish it and get it to the gathering. Happy building, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442344#442344 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Piet pics From: Steven Dortch Yeah I am also receiving blanks. On May 19, 2015 10:32 AM, "Ray Krause" wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I will try his again... From: Steven Dortch Got it, and worth the wait. Looks great. Steve D On May 19, 2015 10:50 AM, "Ray Krause" wrote: > Raykrause@frontiernet.net> > > Chuck, > I've been trying to send you a message for the last few days! I have > included pictures of my progress, but guess the pictures have been too > large. I re-sized them and will try again. The following is what I was > trying to send, bunt with smaller pictures: > > Great progress and nice pictures. I hope to start covering my wings next > week. This last week and this week I am finishing up the fuselage. All > control surfaces are covered and painted. I will send some pictures. > > Sorry the last email did not go through... A mystery to me! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442342#442342 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_241.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_360.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:35 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics The smoke is staying inside the computer on this end, so I should be OK. Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad > On May 19, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > If smoke's not coming out of your computer, you should be fine! Your > pictures are looking great! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:51 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics > > --> > > Not too sure what went through! I don't want to break anything, guess I will > let it rest for a while. > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On May 19, 2015, at 8:38 AM, AircamperN11MS >> wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Ray, >> >> I was starting to worry that you broke the Matronics site. Whew, I see > that it still functions. Your plane looks nice. Can't wait to see it in > person. >> >> Cheers and congratulations, >> >> -------- >> Scott Liefeld >> Flying N11MS since March 1972 >> Steel Tube >> C-85-12 >> Wire Wheels >> Brodhead in 1996 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442341#442341 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:44 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Piet pics I'm on it! Ray Sent from my iPad > On May 19, 2015, at 8:59 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > A single pic looking down into your cockpit from the right side. I see your problem. The transponder is not turn on. In fact, I don't even see one. :) Anyway, you managed to get one pic through. Now get back to work on your plane. You have less than 3 weeks to finish it and get it to the gathering. > > Happy building, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442344#442344 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I will try his again... From: "aerocarjake" Looks wonderful....!!!!! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442357#442357 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:57 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: welcome Welcome Travis! Looks like a nice engine; seems like someone care of it. My first suggestion is you skip that "other" fly-in and go to Brodhead instead, much more interesting. (kidding. Kinda.) I have always thought it was good advise to start work on the tail feathers to kind of get the hang of reading the plans, working with wood and some metal without a huge investment in resources, space or time. You could even cover them and use them for daydreaming fodder to keep you going through the rest of the project. You will undoubtedly here this a lot, but it is true. 1. Build to the plans; don't change or add a lot of stuff 2. Keep it light. Built to plans it is a very light plane, but we usually keep adding this and that and before you know it. there's a big performance difference between a light A65 piet and a heavy one. 3. Get the bingilis books from EAA 4. Touch the project every day if at all possible 5. Think of it as a series of smaller building projects rather than one big project and you'll enjoy a great sense of accomplishment each time you finish something significant and you're that much closer. 6. Ask questions and don't ever let stupid answers or rude people stop you from asking, just ignore them. We're mostly pretty friendly, but as in all gatherings of human beings there are some that are nicer than others. Just ignore those. $.02 Douwe ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:59 PM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: welcome SHUT UP, DOUWE!! Just kidding. Douwe's right. Do everything you can to keep it light. Douwe and I have the honor of having two of the heaviest Piets around. He has 85 or 90 horsepower, I just have 65 and mine is a pretty slow-climbing airplane. On a short runway with trees at the end every takeoff is a botany study. One thing I differ with Douwe on is where to start. I think the tail pieces are some of the most difficult parts to understand the drawings (and I'm a career design engineer, so am used to reading blueprints). I think building the wing ribs is the most practical place to start. All 30 ribs just makes a stack 15" high so they are easy to store, and if you have room to string them along the spars they obviously look like a wing so your visitors don't have to ask what it is you're building. The tail pieces could just as well be lawn furniture until they are put together. But it really doesn't matter, as long as you start somewhere. One of the hardest things to do on a project of this magnitude is to pull the trigger and get started making sawdust. One other bit of advice - never hesitate to throw out a part that you are not satisfied with. I ended up building about one and a half Pietenpols, what with all the scrap parts I generated. I don't think I was unusual in this. One more thing. Never get in a hurry to finish. Enjoy the building process. You will likely find once you're done that you need to build another airplane project. I know Gary Boothe is doing so, building a Boredom Fighter. Dan Helsper is now building a Wittman Tailwind (as is Chuck Gantzer). Kevin Purtee is rebuilding his Pietenpol and building a Flitzer. I'm about 8 years into a three year build of an RV-10. Building airplanes is themost enjoyable pastime I've ever found. It's almost as much fun as flying them. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: welcome Welcome Travis! Looks like a nice engine; seems like someone care of it. My first suggestion is you skip that "other" fly-in and go to Brodhead instead, much more interesting. (kidding. Kinda.) I have always thought it was good advise to start work on the tail feathers to kind of get the hang of reading the plans, working with wood and some metal without a huge investment in resources, space or time. You could even cover them and use them for daydreaming fodder to keep you going through the rest of the project. You will undoubtedly here this a lot, but it is true. 1. Build to the plans; don't change or add a lot of stuff 2. Keep it light. Built to plans it is a very light plane, but we usually keep adding this and that and before you know it. there's a big performance difference between a light A65 piet and a heavy one. 3. Get the bingilis books from EAA 4. Touch the project every day if at all possible 5. Think of it as a series of smaller building projects rather than one big project and you'll enjoy a great sense of accomplishment each time you finish something significant and you're that much closer. 6. Ask questions and don't ever let stupid answers or rude people stop you from asking, just ignore them. We're mostly pretty friendly, but as in all gatherings of human beings there are some that are nicer than others. Just ignore those. $.02 Douwe ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:40 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: welcome Hi Travis, Welcome to the Pietenpol list. Having your engine already is a BIG deal and I'm so glad you have a good Continental A-65 in hand. I have flown my Piet many years with the A-65 and it is a good, honest engine. The one thing I found is that when I didn't know how to do a part of the ai rplane I looked it up in the Bingelis books in the index. Like AN hardwa re. Hmmm....it was like a new foreign language to me. Tony explains it all. He takes the mystery out of how to make a strong, light-weight cowling. He tells you HOW to i nstall that AN hardware too and where certain pieces are not allowed like elastic stop nuts should not go in the engine compartment. I wouldn't have known that had I not re ad his books. Also, if you think a part is going to take you a week it will likely take y ou 2 weeks. Everything took me twice as long as I had hoped or predicte d it would take me so don't get down on yourself for not being Speedy Gonzales. The basic design of the Pietenpol has been flying well for more than 80 ye ars now so if you really want to change something or modify something chanc es are good it would have been fine without any fussing but we as homebuilders in this country have t he privilege (dangerous though it can be sometimes) of coming up with our own ideas and trying them on our planes---after all, we are (usually) the test pilot when it is built .. On my plane I made some cosmetic changes like I raised the height of the tu rtledeck and instrument panels by 1" to give a more rounded look. I added belly stringers to give the fuselage a more rounded look. One thing that is quite tedious is getting bolts into wing and fuselage lan ding gear/strut fittings if you don't make those fittings a little longer t o stick thru the fabric a bit more than the plans show. Pietenpol cut everything to the smallest part size he could but in these sp ecial areas you want to make sure you make your metal fittings to stick out thru the fabric enough to get a bolt thru and have room to spin an nut or put a washer on with a cotter pin. Keep an open mind---there are some Piet folks who have strong opinions on v arious aspects of the plane......but we just bury them out back behind the wood pile after Uncle Guido takes care of them! Mike Cuy Ohio ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:21 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I will try his again... Thanks, Jake. But I don't think it will make it to Brodhead this year, but I will be there. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On May 19, 2015, at 12:24 PM, aerocarjake wrote: > > > Looks wonderful....!!!!! > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442357#442357 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.