---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/20/15: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:14 AM - private pilot (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 05:25 AM - Re: private pilot (Michael Perez) 3. 05:32 AM - Re: private pilot (Boatright, Jeffrey) 4. 05:40 AM - Re: private pilot (Scott Knowlton) 5. 06:18 AM - Re: private pilot (Jack) 6. 07:41 AM - Crew (Steven Dortch) 7. 08:39 AM - Re: Crew (woodflier) 8. 10:43 AM - Re: I will try his again... (aviken) 9. 12:49 PM - Re: private pilot (Steven Dortch) 10. 01:25 PM - flight instructors and airplanes (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 11. 09:20 PM - Re: Re: I will try his again... (Ray Krause) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:25 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: private pilot HI got my ticket in a 150 at local flying schools while I was building. When I finished, I went for my tailwheel endorsement in a cub to both get my flying skills current and get the tailwheel thing down (kinda) Then went straight to the Piet (on grass for the first month) and it went pretty well. Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:28 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: private pilot Here is a brief overview of my pilot training experience with the various f acilities available to me. (Northern Ohio)=C2- My initial thought was to jump right into training in a tail wheel aircraft and knock out the private certificate and tail wheel endorsement at once. So, my first 15 hours of dual instruction was done in a C-120. That instruc tor did not work out, so I moved to instructor #2. He was not a tail wheel instructor and after having some good conversations with him, I decided to move over to aircraft #2, a C-150 for the rest of my training. Shortly afte r making the switch, another student wrecked the -120, so now there is no m ore tail wheel training at that facility. I was finally able to solo in the -150 last July just prior to Instructor #2 advising me that he will be mov ing to Florida. Be advised that all of the above training was done at a non -controlled field. Turns out, I find a CFI here at work, however, he teaches out of yet anothe r facility, in controlled air space...in another type aircraft. (DA-20C) I am now on my 3rd CFI, third type aircraft and second training facility. I a m learning this new aircraft along with all the nuances of being in control led airspace. I hope to solo, again, this summer. I have about 35 hrs. tota l of log book flight hours as of today. My training type aircraft are movin g further and further away from the likeliness of the Pietenpol, but I hope to regain that basic tail wheel skill once I get into my tail wheel endors ement training...again...in probably another type aircraft...at facility #3 with instructor #4... It has been a long and sometimes frustrating endeavor so far, but eventuall y, I'll get there. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:25 AM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: private pilot VmVyeSBzaW1pbGFyIHRvIG15IGV4cGVyaWVuY2UuIFlvdeKAmWxsIGdldCB0aGVyZSwgYW5kIHdp dGggdGhlIHZhcmllZCB0cmFpbmluZywgeW914oCZbGwgYmUgY29tZm9ydGFibGUgaW4gbW9zdCBp ZiBub3QgYWxsIG9mIHRoZSBlbnZpcm9ubWVudHMgdGhhdCB5b3XigJlyZSBnb2luZyB0byBlbmNv dW50ZXIgaW4gd2hhdCBJIHByZWRpY3Qgd2lsbCBiZSBhIGxvbmcsIGhhcHB5IGxpZmUgb2YgZmx5 aW5nISAgOikNCg0KLS0NCkplZmZyZXkgSC4gQm9hdHJpZ2h0LCBQaEQsIEZBUlZPDQpQcm9mZXNz b3Igb2YgT3BodGhhbG1vbG9neQ0KRW1vcnkgVW5pdmVyc2l0eSBTY2hvb2wgb2YgTWVkaWNpbmUN Cg0KRnJvbTogTWljaGFlbCBQZXJleiA8c3BlZWRicmFrZUBzYmNnbG9iYWwubmV0PG1haWx0bzpz cGVlZGJyYWtlQHNiY2dsb2JhbC5uZXQ+Pg0KUmVwbHktVG86ICJwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRy b25pY3MuY29tPG1haWx0bzpwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPiIgPHBpZXRlbnBv 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I've worked in the flight training env ironment for many years and feel your frustrations. This may help: it is fa r better to become a pilot under the tutelage of many instructors rather tha n one. Each brings a different perspective to the craft and you'll end up wi th a fuller tool bag in the process. It is also better to learn on more than one type of aircraft. As much as studying more than one POH in the early s tages if training might seem like a burden it is good to understand how diff erent types of airplanes require different procedures to operate. This will h elp down the road as you transition to your beautiful Piet. A private license is a long expensive process that is fraught with as many m emorable wins as it is with aggravation and frustration. There's a reason wh y few of our population holds the ticket. At 35 hours you've already proven y our tenacity. Carry on and finish it up. It may not be as rewarding as the b uild but it will certainly remain with you for the rest of your life as a gr eat accomplishment. I haven't had a student come back after his/her flight t est completion and say to me, "I wish I hadn't gone through this process." As for tailwheel famil.... Just come over to the north side of Lake Erie and I'll get you up to speed in my Champ! Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2015, at 8:27 AM, "Michael Perez" wr ote: > > Here is a brief overview of my pilot training experience with the various f acilities available to me. (Northern Ohio) > > > My initial thought was to jump right into training in a tail wheel aircraf t and knock out the private certificate and tail wheel endorsement at once. S o, my first 15 hours of dual instruction was done in a C-120. That instructo r did not work out, so I moved to instructor #2. He was not a tail wheel ins tructor and after having some good conversations with him, I decided to move over to aircraft #2, a C-150 for the rest of my training. Shortly after mak ing the switch, another student wrecked the -120, so now there is no more ta il wheel training at that facility. I was finally able to solo in the -150 l ast July just prior to Instructor #2 advising me that he will be moving to Fl orida. Be advised that all of the above training was done at a non-controlle d field. > > > Turns out, I find a CFI here at work, however, he teaches out of yet anoth er facility, in controlled air space...in another type aircraft. (DA-20C) I a m now on my 3rd CFI, third type aircraft and second training facility. I am l earning this new aircraft along with all the nuances of being in controlled a irspace. I hope to solo, again, this summer. I have about 35 hrs. total of l og book flight hours as of today. My training type aircraft are moving furth er and further away from the likeliness of the Pietenpol, but I hope to rega in that basic tail wheel skill once I get into my tail wheel endorsement tra ining...again...in probably another type aircraft...at facility #3 with inst ructor #4... > > It has been a long and sometimes frustrating endeavor so far, but eventual ly, I'll get there. > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: private pilot From: Jack Hang in there Michael! I was lucky enough to learn in my 140 ($5 per hr) wit h a hard nosed examiner (in exchange for caring for his corporate aircraft). A great experience! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On May 20, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > Here is a brief overview of my pilot training experience with the various f acilities available to me. (Northern Ohio) > > > My initial thought was to jump right into training in a tail wheel aircraf t and knock out the private certificate and tail wheel endorsement at once. S o, my first 15 hours of dual instruction was done in a C-120. That instructo r did not work out, so I moved to instructor #2. He was not a tail wheel ins tructor and after having some good conversations with him, I decided to move over to aircraft #2, a C-150 for the rest of my training. Shortly after mak ing the switch, another student wrecked the -120, so now there is no more ta il wheel training at that facility. I was finally able to solo in the -150 l ast July just prior to Instructor #2 advising me that he will be moving to Fl orida. Be advised that all of the above training was done at a non-controlle d field. > > > Turns out, I find a CFI here at work, however, he teaches out of yet anoth er facility, in controlled air space...in another type aircraft. (DA-20C) I a m now on my 3rd CFI, third type aircraft and second training facility. I am l earning this new aircraft along with all the nuances of being in controlled a irspace. I hope to solo, again, this summer. I have about 35 hrs. total of l og book flight hours as of today. My training type aircraft are moving furth er and further away from the likeliness of the Pietenpol, but I hope to rega in that basic tail wheel skill once I get into my tail wheel endorsement tra ining...again...in probably another type aircraft...at facility #3 with inst ructor #4... > > It has been a long and sometimes frustrating endeavor so far, but eventual ly, I'll get there. > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crew From: Steven Dortch Copilot doing preflight checks! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:23 AM PST US From: woodflier Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Crew Put a few phone books under him. He's ready to fly! Matt Paxton -----Original Message----- From: Steven Dortch Sent: Wed, May 20, 2015 10:42 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crew Copilot doing preflight checks! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I will try his again... From: "aviken" Looks Great Ray, wish I could visit with you and swap build stories at Brodhead this year, but I won't be able to make it this time. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442385#442385 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:44 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: private pilot As Jack says "Hang in there." Just keep enjoying learning to fly. I had to switch instructors and it was not good. But I recovered. Moving to a tailwheel will be much easier for you since you have some time in a "real" airplane. Just remember to nail the numbers coming down final and most planes land pretty good. BTW I am a fan of the Cessna 150. I Owned a 1959 model and put 600 hours on it. Loved it. Not too fast. did not carry too much, DID NOT COST TOO MUCH. A good compromise training aircraft. Blue Skies, Steve D On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Jack wrote: > Hang in there Michael! I was lucky enough to learn in my 140 ($5 per hr) > with a hard nosed examiner (in exchange for caring for his corporate > aircraft). A great experience! > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On May 20, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Michael Perez > wrote: > > Here is a brief overview of my pilot training experience with the various > facilities available to me. (Northern Ohio) > > > My initial thought was to jump right into training in a tail wheel > aircraft and knock out the private certificate and tail wheel endorsement > at once. So, my first 15 hours of dual instruction was done in a C-120. > That instructor did not work out, so I moved to instructor #2. He was not > a tail wheel instructor and after having some good conversations with him, > I decided to move over to aircraft #2, a C-150 for the rest of my > training. Shortly after making the switch, another student wrecked the > -120, so now there is no more tail wheel training at that facility. I was > finally able to solo in the -150 last July just prior to Instructor #2 > advising me that he will be moving to Florida. Be advised that all of the > above training was done at a non-controlled field. > > > Turns out, I find a CFI here at work, however, he teaches out of yet > another facility, in controlled air space...in another type aircraft. > (DA-20C) I am now on my 3rd CFI, third type aircraft and second training > facility. I am learning this new aircraft along with all the nuances of > being in controlled airspace. I hope to solo, again, this summer. I have > about 35 hrs. total of log book flight hours as of today. My training type > aircraft are moving further and further away from the likeliness of the > Pietenpol, but I hope to regain that basic tail wheel skill once I get into > my tail wheel endorsement training...again...in probably another type > aircraft...at facility #3 with instructor #4... > > It has been a long and sometimes frustrating endeavor so far, but > eventually, I'll get there. > > * > > D============================================ > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > D============================================ > //forums.matronics.com > D============================================ > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D============================================ > > * > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:18 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flight instructors and airplanes RnVubnkgaG93IGV2ZW4geWVhcnMgYWZ0ZXIgZ2V0dGluZyBhIHByaXZhdGUgcmF0aW5nIEkgU1RJ TEwgbGVhcm4gc29tZXRoaW5nIG5ldyBvciByZWFsbHkgdmFsdWFibGUgZXZlcnkgMiAgeWVhcnMg d2hlbiBJIHRha2UgbXkgZmxpZ2h0DQpyZXZpZXcgYW5kIEkgdXN1YWxseSB0cnkgdG8gdGFrZSBp dCB3aXRoIGEgZGlmZmVyZW50IGluc3RydWN0b3IgZnJvbSB0aW1lIHRvIHRpbWUgYmVjYXVzZSB0 aGV5IGFsbCBoYXZlIGEgZGlmZmVyZW50IHRha2Ugb24gdGhpbmdz4oCUc29tZSBiZXR0ZXINCnRo YW4gb3RoZXJzIGJ1dCB0aGUgZGl2ZXJzaXR5IHdoYXQgSSByZWFsbHkgbGlrZWQuDQoNCk1pa2Ug Qy4NCg0KDQo ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:46 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I will try his again... I would be happy to discuss my build at any time, maybe via pm so others are not bored! I think I will probably become a regular at Brodhead after this one. At least Gary says attending becomes a chronic disease. Maybe we can meet up some other time. Where are you located. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On May 20, 2015, at 10:42 AM, aviken wrote: > > > Looks Great Ray, wish I could visit with you and swap build stories at Brodhead this year, but I won't be able to make it this time. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442385#442385 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.