---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/06/15: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:29 AM - Re: Aft CG (jarheadpilot82) 2. 03:04 AM - Re: Pietenpol Aircamper in Scotland (Iain) 3. 03:06 AM - Re: Pietenpol Aircamper in Scotland (Iain) 4. 08:42 AM - Cont. 0200 prop pitch (Gn1flyer) 5. 09:31 AM - Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch (tkreiner) 6. 09:45 AM - Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch (Marcus Zechini) 7. 11:35 AM - Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch (Gn1flyer) 8. 01:59 PM - Sharing Safety and Risk Management Information (jarheadpilot82) 9. 03:22 PM - Dick Navratil - Gone West (Greg Cardinal) 10. 04:24 PM - Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West (Jeff Boatright) 11. 05:33 PM - Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West (jarheadpilot82) 12. 07:35 PM - Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West (dgaldrich) 13. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West (Greg Cardinal) 14. 07:42 PM - Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West (taildrags) 15. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Aircamper in Scotland (Ray Krause) 16. 08:30 PM - Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West (Ray Krause) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aft CG From: "jarheadpilot82" Mr. Flyboy, I was always taught to respectfully call my teachers Mr. ________, never just their first name or last name, and since I don't know your real name, I guess I just have to go with Mr. Flyboy. I emailed you offline and never got a response, so I thought I would post here to ensure that you got the info. It takes far more calculation that just a TLAR ("that looks about right") or trying to equate wing reposition directly to CG location. This is such an important issue, on the Pietvair forum (for Pietenpol bulders and flyers using the Corvair engine to power their aircraft) that I mentioned in an earlier post, we have an individual W&B notebook thread available for each builder, where CG calculations are discussed, evaluated and double checked to make sure they are correct. The topic is well covered, since both William Wynne and Ryan Mueller who did the original articles are on Pietvair and contribute to the CG threads. I would recommend that you contact Doc Mosher who still sells those articles. If you need his contact info, post here that you need it, and we will get it to you. As you have been cautioned by numerous people, DO NOT allow anyone to fly that aircraft, or even taxi it until the CG issues are corrected. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443121#443121 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Aircamper in Scotland From: "Iain" A few more photos! Thanks for your interest Iain. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443123#443123 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_558.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Aircamper in Scotland From: "Iain" Another photo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443124#443124 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_820.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 0200 prop pitch From: "Gn1flyer" I am close to having my Continental 0200 GN1 ready for flight. I bought a used McCauley 1A105 SCM 74X54 prop to use. I plan on taking it to a prop shop to have it repainted and re-pitched. Any suggestions on what pitch I should have it re-pitched to? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443135#443135 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch From: "tkreiner" I'm sure you're going to get multiple responses on your questions. Here's my $0.02... The 74 x 54 prop is a LOT of prop for an O-200, and would be suitable as a cruise prop on a clean airframe. That's not exactly what a Piet is. Have you checked ground clearance for the this prop? I know a lot of the small continentals are using 72" props. I've heard of 72 x 42, 44, etc., so that may be a starting point. Maybe someone out there has an O-200 powered Piet of GN-1 who can give you some good info on how to re-pitch, etc. Best of luck! -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443137#443137 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 0200 prop pitch From: Marcus Zechini I am flying GN-1 with C-85 and McCauley 74x41...thus prop was on the A65 this plane started with. I climb well, cruise 63 knots @ 2250 On Jun 6, 2015 11:44 AM, "Gn1flyer" wrote: > > I am close to having my Continental 0200 GN1 ready for flight. I bought a > used McCauley 1A105 SCM 74X54 prop to use. I plan on taking it to a prop > shop to have it repainted and re-pitched. Any suggestions on what pitch I > should have it re-pitched to? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443135#443135 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch From: "Gn1flyer" I edited my initial post to McCauley 71x54 pitch. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443141#443141 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sharing Safety and Risk Management Information From: "jarheadpilot82" I had been contacted by a forum member expressing a concern that the new forum (what we call the Pietvair forum) had been started for only Pietenpol builders and flyers choosing the Corvair engine. Were we trying to keep safety related information to ourselves, or what? So, for that reason William Wynne and I asked Jack Phillips to join the Pietvair forum for that very reason. He is going to function as the "Non-Corvair Liaison Officer." We both think that Pietvair forum needs to be a close knit community, where members are all builders with the common connection of the specific combination of a Pietenpol and a Corvair. Combine this connection, with the private nature of this group, and the requirement that everyone has a real name, and we get the type and quality of posts that builders have been sharing here. As of today, for instance in the 44 days that it has existed there have been over 750 targeted well-written posts up on the forum. Because Pietvair is private and not open to the general public, or even to Piet builders who chose other engines, we now have Jack, who is known in the greater Pietenpol community. He has full access to the forum, and will be alert to any significant development on the Pietvair forum, and alert people on this forum and other venues such as Facebook, that they should directly contact myself or William for more information. It is our wish that by having Jack as our NCLO, reasonable people will better understand our commitment to sharing important concepts, while maintaining the focused membership requirements of the Pietvair forum. Actually, I think that there will be very little, or next to nothing for him to do. I doubt that we will have a serious development that we discover that will really need to be shared with other builders. There are 3 issues that meet this already, W&B, diagonal cabanes, and fuel lines. Those three areas are discussed in great detail on this forum and can be easily researched in the archives and we don't see any others on the horizon. However, out of a serious commitment to safety, we have the NCLO position so the pathway exists should it be needed. Several of our flying Corvair builders offered to do this task, and very well could have, but William and I felt it was important that we have a non-Corvair guy do it, and I am thankful that Jack understood the concept and agreed To reiterate, membership in the Pietvair forum still has certain requirements, but safety and risk management is something that we want to share with all builders should the need arise, and Jack will allow us to communicate that quickly and effectively. Thanks, Jack. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443148#443148 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:45 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dick Navratil - Gone West Richard M. Navratil Navratil, Richard M. Age 66, of Arden Hills. Died suddenly on June 4, 2015. Survived by wife, Joan; son, Jason (Sara) Gillet; daughter, Jen (Justin) V ojtech; grandchildren, Boone, Judah, Renley, Wyatt & Colton; siblings, Chuc k Navratil, Neil Navratil, John Navratil, Mary Bergh and Anita Ziebarth; al so many nieces and nephews. Mass of Christian Burial 11:00 AM Wednesday, Ju ne 10, 2015 at the CHURCH OF ST. STANISLAUS, 398 Superior Street, St. Paul. Visitation 4-8 PM Tuesday at Willwer-scheid Funeral Home, 1167 Grand Ave., St. Paul. Memorials preferred to the Wounded Warrior Project. Willwerschei d Funeral Home & Cremation Service 651-228-1006 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West From: "Jeff Boatright" Very sad news. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443152#443152 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West From: "jarheadpilot82" Does anyone have an address for the family? I would like to send a card. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443153#443153 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West From: "dgaldrich" 1415 Skiles Lane Arden Hills, MN 55112-3618 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443157#443157 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:38 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West 1415 Skiles Lane Arden Hills, MN 55112 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jarheadpilot82" Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 7:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West > > > Does anyone have an address for the family? I would like to send a card. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443153#443153 > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dick Navratil - Gone West From: "taildrags" I don't really know what to say. He was just here... -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443158#443158 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:34 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Aircamper in Scotland Thanks for the additional photos, beautiful plane. I like your design of the cowl and how it leads into the front cockpit instrument panel and the the main panel. You must have increased this part of the turtle deck? Great work, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jun 6, 2015, at 3:06 AM, Iain wrote: > > > Another photo > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443124#443124 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_820.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:38 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dick Navratil - Gone West This is very sad, especially for those of us dealing with the untimely death of Jeremy Monett and Mike, their mechanic from Sonex Aircraft. I met Dick at Airventures several years ago and enjoyed seeing his Radial en gine Pietenpol, if I remember correctly. I'm praying for them, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jun 6, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Greg Cardinal wrote: > > Richard M. Navratil > > Navratil, Richard M. Age 66, of Arden Hills. Died suddenly on June 4, 2015 . Survived by wife, Joan; son, Jason (Sara) Gillet; daughter, Jen (Justin) V ojtech; grandchildren, Boone, Judah, Renley, Wyatt & Colton; siblings, Chuck Navratil, Neil Navratil, John Navratil, Mary Bergh and Anita Ziebarth; also many nieces and nephews. Mass of Christian Burial 11:00 AM Wednesday, June 1 0, 2015 at the CHURCH OF ST. STANISLAUS, 398 Superior Street, St. Paul. Visi tation 4-8 PM Tuesday at Willwer-scheid Funeral Home, 1167 Grand Ave., St. P aul. Memorials preferred to the Wounded Warrior Project. 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