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1. 04:42 AM - 0-200 (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Propeller suggestions for O-200? (Elizabeth Cooper)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers (Jack Philips)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: Latex Painting Update at Airventure ()
5. 07:40 AM - Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers (Gary Boothe)
6. 09:41 AM - mast and spar grade sitka (wheelharp)
7. 09:57 AM - Re: mast and spar grade sitka (Scott Knowlton)
8. 10:06 AM - Re: mast and spar grade sitka (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
9. 10:12 AM - Re: mast and spar grade sitka ()
10. 10:20 AM - Re: mast and spar grade sitka (H. Marvin Haught)
11. 10:48 AM - Re: mast and spar grade sitka (Bill Church)
12. 11:05 AM - Re: mast and spar grade sitka (dgaldrich)
13. 12:54 PM - Re: mast and spar grade sitka (wheelharp)
14. 04:24 PM - Re: mast and spar grade sitka (tools)
15. 04:37 PM - ck your plane before flying!! (Douwe Blumberg)
16. 07:21 PM - Re: ck your plane before flying!! (glenschweizer@yahoo.com)
17. 10:36 PM - Re: long steel fuselage (nightmare)
18. 10:41 PM - Re: This should be easy in a pair of Piets (tools)
19. 10:55 PM - Re: Propeller suggestions for O-200? (Andy Garrett)
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Hey Andy,
Congrats on a great deal! I too got a firewall forward 0-200, which turned
out to need some work so during the rebuild we converted it to a C90, but
that's a whole other story.
When I thought I'd be flying behind the 0-200 unconverted, I did a lot of
research and discovered there weren't actually a lot of piets flying with
them in the states. A few, but not many. I talked to the guys who were
flying them to get their prop recommendations. There are more flying in the
UK and I got a list of their props as well, though some of them had weird
(European) measurements that were hard to figure out.
I will look through my archives to see what I can find, but in the meantime
I have a prop on the wall that I had made specifically for this engine and
of course never used it. It was made for me by Culver props (you can find
them these days by searching for Valley engineering). Im willing to sell
it, and I'll also go out and see what size it is.
Feel free to contact me if you're interested or want more prop info and in
the meantime I"ll see what I can dig up.
Douwe
douwe@douwestudios.com
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller suggestions for O-200? |
Hi Andy, I know some people who have had great success with Sterba Props located
in Florida. I can't answer as to diameter or pitch but if you contact Ed he
may be able to guide you in that respect. He supplies a good product at a reasonable
price. Scott Bartko low and slow with the top down
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On Sun, 6/21/15, Andy Garrett <andy_garrett@live.com> wrote:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller suggestions for O-200?
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015, 3:17 PM
--> Pietenpol-List message posted
by: "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett@live.com>
I was just afforded a rare opportunity to purchase a
firewall forward Continental O-200 sans mount and prop. This
is the very engine I learned behind years ago and it was
just overhauled 18 months ago. The price is right, and I'm
buying it.
Another student damaged the airplane beyond practical
repair, so... the owner is parting it out.
I'm wondering if anyone has a suggestion for cost effective
wooden propeller options that have proven to be successful
on the draggy Piet.
Kansas is very hot in the summer, so while I don't want to
give away too much speed, performance definitely has to lean
toward climb.
While I'm at it, any suggestions on sourcing a mount?
Thanks.
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers |
John, I'll be happy to beta test the website.
I'll look for any photos I have of Dick.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers
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Hello Good People!
The latest BPA issue is in the mail and should be hitting your doors
starting this week. I am in the process of trying to put one more together
before Brodhead. One thing I would like to do is put a nice tribute to Dick
Navritil in that issue. If you have any stories and or pictures to share of
Dick, please send them my way so we can salute him in the manner he
deserves. He touched a lot of lives and was a key figure in the Piet
movement of the last several years.
Also, I have a new website about to launch and would like 5 to 10 people to
help in beta testing. Let me know if you are interested.
-john-
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Painting Update at Airventure |
Will your presentation be recorded?
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on Wednesday at 11:30 in Forum Bldg 1. This year I will try to share what I've
learned on the Micro Mong project and discuss issues that others have encountered
with spraying, rolling, brushing, sanding, polishing, and selecting paint.
I hope to see some of you there so please stop in and say hi. I will also try
to post the updated powerpoint on the wienerdogaero.com site.
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| Subject: | New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers |
John,
These are the only pictures I have of Dick; but I can also say:
In 2008, I was struggling through my 4th year on an all-metal plane, having
set aside my Pietenpol plans for something more suitable for x-country. I
think it was about February of that year that Dick's Piet was featured on
the cover of Sport Aviation. It was like the proverbial light bulb. I
abandoned the metal, and spent four enjoyable years building my Pietenpol.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 8:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers
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Hello Good People!
The latest BPA issue is in the mail and should be hitting your doors
starting this week. I am in the process of trying to put one more together
before Brodhead. One thing I would like to do is put a nice tribute to Dick
Navritil in that issue. If you have any stories and or pictures to share of
Dick, please send them my way so we can salute him in the manner he
deserves. He touched a lot of lives and was a key figure in the Piet
movement of the last several years.
Also, I have a new website about to launch and would like 5 to 10 people to
help in beta testing. Let me know if you are interested.
-john-
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| Subject: | mast and spar grade sitka |
Went to Wicks last week and got some spruce. Just as an average I figured BF price
based on 1" x 1" @ $2.75...figures up to $33 a board foot, if I'm doing my
math correctly.
Don't get me wrong, it is about the most beautiful, straight, tight grained wood
I have ever seen, but I don't think I can afford $33 BF for entire build.
Has anyone ever tried mast and spar grade spruce from marine supply? It looks to
be on average at all the places I looked, around $10 to $11 per BF in rough
2" x 6". I have the shop to mill everything from rough...just wondered if this
stuff makes the grade.
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Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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| Subject: | Re: mast and spar grade sitka |
I used mast and spar spruce for all of my rib stock and empennage. It was fine.
The supplier stopped stocking the material so I went to AC Spruce for the fuselage
kit. Much more expensive.
Scott Knowlton.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 22, 2015, at 9:43 AM, "wheelharp" <wheelharp@gmail.com> wrote:
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price based on 1" x 1" @ $2.75...figures up to $33 a board foot, if I'm doing
my math correctly.
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I have ever seen, but I don't think I can afford $33 BF for entire build.
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to be on average at all the places I looked, around $10 to $11 per BF in rough
2" x 6". I have the shop to mill everything from rough...just wondered if this
stuff makes the grade.
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| Subject: | Re: mast and spar grade sitka |
Hi Jon. Study FAA form 43-18. Lots of good info about wood. You can find it at
west coast pietenpol for download. Glen. Hubbard Or
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> On Jun 22, 2015, at 9:41 AM, "wheelharp" <wheelharp@gmail.com> wrote:
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price based on 1" x 1" @ $2.75...figures up to $33 a board foot, if I'm doing
my math correctly.
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> Don't get me wrong, it is about the most beautiful, straight, tight grained wood
I have ever seen, but I don't think I can afford $33 BF for entire build.
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> Has anyone ever tried mast and spar grade spruce from marine supply? It looks
to be on average at all the places I looked, around $10 to $11 per BF in rough
2" x 6". I have the shop to mill everything from rough...just wondered if this
stuff makes the grade.
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| Subject: | mast and spar grade sitka |
Jon,
I went to our local MacBeth Hardwood supplier and they stock quarter sawn Sitka
spruce in lengths up to 16 feet. I bought it in 1"x 6" and 2" x 6" rough pieces.
Their price was $7.86 BF. I was able to select boards with high rings per
inch. I bought enough for my entire Piet. I also bought a bargain bag of Spruce
from ACS and was very happy with it.
Brian
SLC-UT
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Knowlton
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: mast and spar grade sitka
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I used mast and spar spruce for all of my rib stock and empennage. It was fine.
The supplier stopped stocking the material so I went to AC Spruce for the fuselage
kit. Much more expensive.
Scott Knowlton.
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price based on 1" x 1" @ $2.75...figures up to $33 a board foot, if I'm doing
my math correctly.
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> Don't get me wrong, it is about the most beautiful, straight, tight grained wood
I have ever seen, but I don't think I can afford $33 BF for entire build.
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> Has anyone ever tried mast and spar grade spruce from marine supply? It looks
to be on average at all the places I looked, around $10 to $11 per BF in rough
2" x 6". I have the shop to mill everything from rough...just wondered if this
stuff makes the grade.
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| Subject: | Re: mast and spar grade sitka |
I have several pieces of Sitka Spruce (spar kit for a KR 2)) and four or five boards
of straight grain fir that I would sell. I have had it 30 years, and doubt
that I will ever use it. Need to start getting rid of some of this stuff,
if anyone is interested.
M. Haught
> On Jun 22, 2015, at 12:06 PM, glenschweizer@yahoo.com wrote:
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price based on 1" x 1" @ $2.75...figures up to $33 a board foot, if I'm doing
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wood I have ever seen, but I don't think I can afford $33 BF for entire build.
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to be on average at all the places I looked, around $10 to $11 per BF in rough
2" x 6". I have the shop to mill everything from rough...just wondered if this
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| Subject: | Re: mast and spar grade sitka |
Jon,
I got my first batch of Sitka from the same place as Scott (on the same day, at
the same time), rough sawn, 2x6 x 20 ft long. That was several years ago, and
back then it cost about $7/bf. As Scott said, the quality was acceptable. That,
of course, will be up to you to determine, based on AC43.13-1B guidelines.
When I needed another plank, I went to an upscale specialty wood supplier, and
paid $18/bf for a 2x6 rough sawn plank. You get what you pay for. The second
plank was perfect. Absolutely none of it was unusable, whereas with the first
plank, I had several sections that I had to work around.
Just did a little research on Wick's and Aircraft Spruce websites. Quite a difference
in pricing. As you say, for 1"x1" Wicks is $2.75/ft, and AS is $5.35/ft.
And for 1" x 6" spar stock, Wicks is $12.75 vs AS $18.55. Based on the 1x6,
Wicks is $25.50/board foot, and Aircraft Spruce is $37.10. But keep in mind
that these are prices for finished, inspected/graded wood. obviously that would
be more expensive than rough sawn planks.
However, when you say you are worried about the cost of Spruce to build the plane,
keep in mind that Spruce is only a small component in the overall cost. Even
if you buy each stick in finished sizes, you would likely be looking at maybe
$2000 for Spruce for the whole plane. Then there's plywood, and adhesive,
and metal, and fittings, and fasteners, and pulleys, and turnbuckles, and instruments,
and wheels, and engine, and, and, and ... My point is that Sitka Spruce
will only account for maybe 15% of the cost. So, even if you can cut that
cost in half, the overall impact on the total cost is not huge.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: mast and spar grade sitka |
Sitka spruce is Sitka spruce regardless of the supplier. "Aviation Grade" means
that it meets the requirements of AC 43-13 for certified aircraft. There are
growth ring and longitudinal runout/slope requirements as well as disqualifying
defects that are explained well enough for you to do your own "grading".
A good ruler and patience is about all that's needed.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: mast and spar grade sitka |
Thanks for all the good replies everyone! I guess I should have said that I have
reviewed grading standards. I was just curious if based on anyone else's experience
using what suppliers call mast and spar, if it for the most part met rings
per inch, grain slope, non-defect, etc...criteria, or if it was not worth
messing with. It sounds like it is. I'm sure I will wind up buying more of the
high dollar stuff, but as cheap (if you can call it that) as rough is, I may
get some and dimension it myself, if for no other reason than I have the tools,
and enjoy that kind of thing. :D
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Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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| Subject: | Re: mast and spar grade sitka |
I've bought from a place in Madison wi, it was all good and usable. Tis true you
may have to work around some stuff, but with good shop tools, no worries and
you'll find a way to make it all usable.
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| Subject: | ck your plane before flying!! |
Hey all,
I was just sent this and absolutely had to share it. Do yourself a favor
and watch it. After takeoff, keep your eyes on the open wing root in the
top right of the frame and wait for it.
Absolutely hysterical. I will redouble my preflight ck of the forward
cockpit from now on.
Douwe
http://youtu.be/J_8mdH20qTQ
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| Subject: | Re: ck your plane before flying!! |
Pretty cool. I'm surprised the cat stayed so calm
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 22, 2015, at 5:51 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douwe@douwestudios.com> wro
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nd watch it. After takeoff, keep your eyes on the open wing root in the top
right of the frame and wait for it
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> Absolutely hysterical. I will redouble my preflight ck of the forward coc
kpit from now on.
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| Subject: | Re: long steel fuselage |
Hi Mike.
just to clarify...both the wood versions have the same amount of bays. the steel
tube version does have one less than the wood versions.
im building a steel tube version. fuselage is done. I was going to do the same
as you but after looking at the plans I realized that the steel tube design
gives an even greater tilt back of the pilot seat (if more room in back is what
your looking for)than the long wood version. and it does this while still being
about 11 inches shorter.
whats great about this is that the original steel fuselage by itself has a more
forward cg than the wood versions. less structure (weight) aft of the wing. atleast
thats how I see it.
if you still decide to stretch the steel tube another 11 inches I would add
another bay. keep in mind I am no engineer.
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: This should be easy in a pair of Piets |
So I go to the bar behind my house for a quick night cap this evening... My buddy,
a tech guru, has this cardboard contraption with two lenses and a I phone.
It allows you to watch special videos in a virtual setting, really cool. Sit
in the cockpit of an f5 in the midst of a six plane demonstration tram and
look anywhere you want as you sit in a bar looking into a cardboard box coming
across as a fool as you gaze in awe!
There's a wingtip mounted go pro on one of those two planes, you can look at yourself,
your wingman, or forward as they go through the hangar. Pretty cool.
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller suggestions for O-200? |
Thanks. I'll check out Sterba and stand by for veteran input from those in the
know.
I am in the Wichita metro area.
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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