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1. 05:25 AM - Re: my 0-200 prop (Andy Garrett)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: Pietenpol for Sale (womenfly2)
3. 06:02 AM - Wing Rib Construction (Andy Garrett)
4. 07:35 AM - Modern old engine idea (Steven Dortch)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: Wing Rib Construction (Bill Church)
6. 07:38 AM - a very wise move (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
7. 09:48 AM - Re: Modern old engine idea (tkreiner)
8. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Modern old engine idea (Steven Dortch)
9. 10:59 AM - Re: Modern old engine idea (Andy Garrett)
10. 11:09 AM - Re: Modern old engine idea (tools)
11. 11:18 AM - In memory of Dick N (tools)
12. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Modern old engine idea (THOMAS.233327)
13. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: Modern old engine idea (THOMAS.233327)
14. 12:40 PM - Re: In memory of Dick N (Jack)
15. 01:57 PM - Re: Modern old engine idea (Catdesigns)
16. 04:06 PM - Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers (IT Girl)
17. 04:10 PM - Brodhead 2015 - Pietenpol Hatz Fly in Schedule of Events (IT Girl)
18. 04:12 PM - Re: Brodhead 2015 - Pietenpol Hatz Fly in Schedule of Events (IT Girl)
19. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Modern old engine idea (Steven Dortch)
20. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead 2015 - Pietenpol Hatz Fly in Schedule of Events (dog67@aol.com)
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Subject: | Re: my 0-200 prop |
Thanks Douwe! If you are interested in selling it, send me an email with a picture,
price, and location.
My brother-in-law is a supply chain negotiator for Beechcraft here in town. He
was impressed with my recent engine purchase and turned me on to a fellow homebuilder
who just happens to be the local Continental rep. I'll run those number
by him to see what he thinks.
I'm not in hurry, but I don't want to miss an opportunity. :)
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for Sale |
Very sorry to hear about your best friend. Had the same feelings when my dad passed
away. You may want to give his passing sometime before sell your Piet project,
you could finish and fly it is in his memory, keeping both your dreams alive.
If not, you may want to post some pictures of your Piet project as is here, may
help you sell it. People always like to see pictures.
Just a thought.
Keep the Dream,
WF2
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Subject: | Wing Rib Construction |
On the advice of Mike Cuy in his recent post, I ordered and read a set of books
by Tony Bingelis (at least those sections/chapters which pertain to wooden construction).
In fact, I've read through them many times.
On page 73, in the section discussing wing rib construction techniques, the author
mentions a fellow named Les Long who used dual cap strips of 1/4" x 1/4" with
the uprights and diagonals sandwiched between them. A dab of glue and a nail
at each joint finished it off. Excess length of the support members were trimmed
off and it was done. No gussets were needed.
The wing rib cord was 54" and it weighed 3.5oz. It is reported that it took ten
minutes to produce a rib.
There is much that is attractive about this method, but I don't know how much a
Peit rib weighs when built to plans. Can someone help me with those numbers?
I haven't ruled out typical truss construction, but I'm looking at all options.
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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Subject: | Modern old engine idea |
For a low HP engine, the ford model A engine works well as a slow turning,
high torque engine, to spin a big bladed slow turning prop at the right rpm
for the speed envelope of the Piet. (That was the run on sentence from
hell.)
In other words it is a pretty good match though heavy and not as reliable
as I would like.
Is there, or what would it take to develop a better version.
IE: More reliability, lower weight, maybe 55 to 65 HP with the power and
torque band broadly spread at 1600 to 2000 rpm to spin a paddle blade prop.
What do y'all think?
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Subject: | Re: Wing Rib Construction |
The strength of the joints in the plans-built rib comes almost completely from
the gussets, due to the amount of surface area. There is some strength in the
glue joint between the sticks, but not much, simply because there is not much
contact area. I would think that the method you have described would not provide
much contact area.
Additionally, I'm not sure what the advantage would be. You would have to cut
and bend twice as many cap strip pieces. But more importantly, once the pieces
are put into the jig and glued, you're still going to have to let the glue cure
for a day before removing the rib - so your productivity will still be one
rib per day.
If you're really curious, build one rib each way, and then do a comparison of actual
weight and strength. The traditional rib will surely be stronger, and most
likely just a little bit heavier. The traditional rib is certainly beefy,
and likely overbuilt. Some have suggested that the ribs could be built using
1/4" x 3/8" capstrips instead of the 1/4" x 1/2" shown in the plans. I just stuck
with the plans. At a pace of one rib per day, they can all be built in a
month.
Bill C.
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Subject: | a very wise move |
Andy-- I'm very pleased that you invested in the Tony Bingelis books---and, most
importantly that you have dug in an started reading them!
You would be surprised at how many questions you can have Tony answer sitting right
at your kitchen table with a cup of coffee. (coffee not required)
Even after having had my plane flying for nearly 17 years I just broke open Tony's
book on engines to find out how tight to torque my motor mount bolts
for my A-65 Continental. No guessing when you have those books.
Mike C.
Ohio
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Subject: | Re: Modern old engine idea |
Finding a comparable, yet newer, engine may prove to be difficult, as current engines
are designed for rpm, and not torque.
The bore / stroke relationship of an engine defines the torque and rpm characteristics.
In the case of the Model A, the bore is a nominal 3 7/8, and the stroke
is a nominal 4 1/4, both measured in inches. Generally, the greater the stroke,
the greater the torque production.
We'd be hard pressed to find a Spark Ignition (SI) - gas - engine with similar
dimensions, but in the case of Compression Ignition (CI) - diesel - I'm reasonably
sure we can find something in that range. The weight of a diesel - other
than one of the modern ones coming out of europe - will be very heavy, however.
The european diesels have been designed for rpm's, however, and their torque, while
higher than SI engines, may not be sufficient for a prop.
Have fun looking; I'm going with either a Corvair or a Continental...
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Tom Kreiner
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Subject: | Re: Modern old engine idea |
Tom, I am actually proposing that someone, not me, develop the proposed
engine. It would not have to be high tech but could power a whole type of
homebuilts.
I have a continental a65
Blue skies.
Steve D
On Jun 29, 2015 11:49 AM, "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Finding a comparable, yet newer, engine may prove to be difficult, as
> current engines are designed for rpm, and not torque.
>
> The bore / stroke relationship of an engine defines the torque and rpm
> characteristics. In the case of the Model A, the bore is a nominal 3 7/8,
> and the stroke is a nominal 4 1/4, both measured in inches. Generally, the
> greater the stroke, the greater the torque production.
>
> We'd be hard pressed to find a Spark Ignition (SI) - gas - engine with
> similar dimensions, but in the case of Compression Ignition (CI) - diesel -
> I'm reasonably sure we can find something in that range. The weight of a
> diesel - other than one of the modern ones coming out of europe - will be
> very heavy, however.
>
> The european diesels have been designed for rpm's, however, and their
> torque, while higher than SI engines, may not be sufficient for a prop.
>
> Have fun looking; I'm going with either a Corvair or a Continental...
>
> --------
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Subject: | Re: Modern old engine idea |
I looked into the AMC 4.0L straight six just before finding my Continental. These
were installed in the Jeep Cherokee and are known for torque.
I think HP is 70ish. Not sure about weight.
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'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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Subject: | Re: Modern old engine idea |
It was mentioned Dick N was considering a wisconsin engine for his scout. Probably
a vh4d, a 30hp v-4 industrial gas engine.
They also made a 65 hp variant of that, that was physically bigger but otherwise
identical. They have a ridiculous heavy finned cast iron flywheel and extensive
shrouding that could likely all be removed behind the prop. Not exactly
new, being 60s 70s vintage, but damn reliable. They were offered with either
points or magnetos.
I don't know if it's lighter than a ford or not. The speed range is about right
at 2000 to 2500 rpm. Totally continuous duty motors, many ran pumps for years
on end.
I also can't imagine many of the newer little liquid cooled diesels you find in
skid steers, mini excavators, and such might not be usable. Perhaps the air
cooled yanmars of John Deere fame might be usable as well. They all seem to be
lower rpm torque motors still.
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Subject: | In memory of Dick N |
I got dick's NX2RN up a couple of times this week, been waiting for the chance
since I heard the bad news. Today was especially nice. About 7:30 am, absolutely
perfectly cool and calm out, no one around but me.
I even smiled as I tied off the wheels like he taught me to prop it alone, even
using the straps he gave me.
I flew to get some fuel nearby, hit a couple of friend's little grass strips.
Reminded me of the day Dick first took me for a ride in her.
I was horribly saddened by Dick's passing, but I smile ear to ear every time I
think of him and 2RN.
Tools
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Subject: | Re: Modern old engine idea |
Tom (A great name-I've used it a lot for years)
If you want a more modern engine to look really good AND turn a big prop, you are
almost certainly going to have a redrive gearing down the prop RPM OR turn
a big ol' motor slowly-I've seen at least 2 Chev V8's in magazines that have worked.
Years ago I checked out a Ford 250 CI "small block" (made in 144 -170-200
& 250 Cu In versions, the 250 has an extra main bearing). I forget the weight,
but a local race car engine builder said after flow testing the stock head
to expect about 125 HP at the rpm's of modern airplane engines. That's direct
drive, with appropriate cam and carburetor, about 1/2 HP/CU-IN, close to what
airplane engines get (O-200=100hp, O-320=160 HP, O-360=180 HP, etc.).
While I personally would need to do a lot more research before I would commit to
such a choice, I think it could be interesting. The first thing I would seriously
worry about is the size of the crankshaft output bearing (next to the flywheel).
Airplane engines have GIANT bearings there, by comparison car engines
have little bitty bearings there. Could I use a clutch shaft with a bearing adapted
in and to a stock bell housing, driven by a stock clutch disc bolted to
the flywheel (most clutch disks have springs that cushion rotational shocks)-go
ahead somebody, run with it! Uncushioned extensions like this don't have a
very good in service record as I understand it. Steve Wittman tried one in his
V-Witt but one of the major VW-airplane engine builders said he had troubles
with it. The plans for the Wittman shaft and support were recently available from
Aircraft Spruce. $20 as I recall.
A personal pet peave of mine -"A small bore, long stroke engine makes more torque
than an big bore short stroke engine of the same size because of the additional
leverage of the longer stroke". NONSENSE! The larger piston area of the short
stroke engine at least makes up for the lower leverage. Plus the larger bore
allows bigger valves for more flow. Long stroke engines make more torque because
their small valves/ports won't let them make pass as much fuel/air so they
are optimized for lower RPM.
In any case, a modern engine that you may want to run direct drive in an airplane
like a Piet will likely be cheap in the wrecking yards-not many people want
them.
Tom Hale, lurker, friend of AerocarJake, building a Sonex
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:47:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea
Finding a comparable, yet newer, engine may prove to be difficult, as current engines
are designed for rpm, and not torque.
The bore / stroke relationship of an engine defines the torque and rpm characteristics.
In the case of the Model A, the bore is a nominal 3 7/8, and the stroke
is a nominal 4 1/4, both measured in inches. Generally, the greater the stroke,
the greater the torque production.
We'd be hard pressed to find a Spark Ignition (SI) - gas - engine with similar
dimensions, but in the case of Compression Ignition (CI) - diesel - I'm reasonably
sure we can find something in that range. The weight of a diesel - other
than one of the modern ones coming out of europe - will be very heavy, however.
The european diesels have been designed for rpm's, however, and their torque, while
higher than SI engines, may not be sufficient for a prop.
Have fun looking; I'm going with either a Corvair or a Continental...
--------
Tom Kreiner
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Subject: | Re: Modern old engine idea |
I meant to say that was a "Small Block Inline 6" Ford motor. About a zillion were
made and found in Falcons, Mustangs, Mavericks and more models. Ford also made
a "Big Block" inline 6 (240 and 300 Cu In). I don't beleave any of these engines
are in current production.
Tom Hale
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From: "THOMAS.233327" <thomas.233327@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 12:24:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea
Tom (A great name-I've used it a lot for years)
If you want a more modern engine to look really good AND turn a big prop, you are
almost certainly going to have a redrive gearing down the prop RPM OR turn
a big ol' motor slowly-I've seen at least 2 Chev V8's in magazines that have worked.
Years ago I checked out a Ford 250 CI "small block" (made in 144 -170-200
& 250 Cu In versions, the 250 has an extra main bearing). I forget the weight,
but a local race car engine builder said after flow testing the stock head
to expect about 125 HP at the rpm's of modern airplane engines. That's direct
drive, with appropriate cam and carburetor, about 1/2 HP/CU-IN, close to what
airplane engines get (O-200=100hp, O-320=160 HP, O-360=180 HP, etc.).
While I personally would need to do a lot more research before I would commit to
such a choice, I think it could be interesting. The first thing I would seriously
worry about is the size of the crankshaft output bearing (next to the flywheel).
Airplane engines have GIANT bearings there, by comparison car engines
have little bitty bearings there. Could I use a clutch shaft with a bearing adapted
in and to a stock bell housing, driven by a stock clutch disc bolted to
the flywheel (most clutch disks have springs that cushion rotational shocks)-go
ahead somebody, run with it! Uncushioned extensions like this don't have a
very good in service record as I understand it. Steve Wittman tried one in his
V-Witt but one of the major VW-airplane engine builders said he had troubles
with it. The plans for the Wittman shaft and support were recently available from
Aircraft Spruce. $20 as I recall.
A personal pet peave of mine -"A small bore, long stroke engine makes more torque
than an big bore short stroke engine of the same size because of the additional
leverage of the longer stroke". NONSENSE! The larger piston area of the short
stroke engine at least makes up for the lower leverage. Plus the larger bore
allows bigger valves for more flow. Long stroke engines make more torque because
their small valves/ports won't let them make pass as much fuel/air so they
are optimized for lower RPM.
In any case, a modern engine that you may want to run direct drive in an airplane
like a Piet will likely be cheap in the wrecking yards-not many people want
them.
Tom Hale, lurker, friend of AerocarJake, building a Sonex
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:47:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea
Finding a comparable, yet newer, engine may prove to be difficult, as current engines
are designed for rpm, and not torque.
The bore / stroke relationship of an engine defines the torque and rpm characteristics.
In the case of the Model A, the bore is a nominal 3 7/8, and the stroke
is a nominal 4 1/4, both measured in inches. Generally, the greater the stroke,
the greater the torque production.
We'd be hard pressed to find a Spark Ignition (SI) - gas - engine with similar
dimensions, but in the case of Compression Ignition (CI) - diesel - I'm reasonably
sure we can find something in that range. The weight of a diesel - other
than one of the modern ones coming out of europe - will be very heavy, however.
The european diesels have been designed for rpm's, however, and their torque, while
higher than SI engines, may not be sufficient for a prop.
Have fun looking; I'm going with either a Corvair or a Continental...
--------
Tom Kreiner
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Subject: | Re: In memory of Dick N |
Nice story Tools. That was the ship Dick gave me my ride in...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Jun 29, 2015, at 1:18 PM, "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I got dick's NX2RN up a couple of times this week, been waiting for the chance
since I heard the bad news. Today was especially nice. About 7:30 am, absolutely
perfectly cool and calm out, no one around but me.
>
> I even smiled as I tied off the wheels like he taught me to prop it alone, even
using the straps he gave me.
>
> I flew to get some fuel nearby, hit a couple of friend's little grass strips.
Reminded me of the day Dick first took me for a ride in her.
>
> I was horribly saddened by Dick's passing, but I smile ear to ear every time
I think of him and 2RN.
>
> Tools
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444188#444188
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Modern old engine idea |
Glen Morgan, from New Zealand, sent me these pictures and details of his engine.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Glen%20Morgan/Glen%20Morgan.htm
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers |
Kevin and I will beta test for you.
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Brodhead 2015 - Pietenpol Hatz Fly in Schedule of Events |
BRODHEAD PIETENPOL/HATZ FLY-IN
Also Fleet and Bleriot group gatherings
JULY 16-19, 2015
The following information is provided by Cheeseland Chapter EAA 431 for attendees
of the 2015 Pietenpol/Hatz Fly-in. Information is subject to change. For information
about specific club activities, please refer to the Hatz or Pietenpol
groups. Information provided here is subject to updates and changes. Last updated
June 28, 2015
FLY-IN INFORMATION
Use only the active E-W runway 9/27. Other runways will be closed to landing and
departing aircraft earlier in the week and reopening Sunday afternoon (check
NOTAM for exact times). All landing and departing aircraft: 800 AGL left-hand
pattern. Radio equipped aircraft use UNICOM on 122.9 but be aware that many aircraft
are NOT radio equipped. Keep your eyes opensee and avoid and be predictable!
Fly-bys should be conducted south of the active runway 9/27 employing the standard
racetrack pattern with a minimum safe altitude. Example: When runway 9 is
active, fly-by traffic will practice a right-hand pattern. When runway 27 is active,
all fly-bys will employ left-hand racetrack pattern. Please No fly-bys
or low flying along closed runways 3/21 or 15/33!
When done flying for the day, or in the case of bad weather, please ensure that
your aircraft is tied down. Please provide your own tie-downs.
Camping and parking map for Pietenpol/Hatz 2013
Camping and parking map for Pietenpol/Hatz 2015. Click to enlarge.
AIRCRAFT FUEL AVAILABILITY
100LL and ethanol-free auto fuel (MOGAS) is available at Brodhead; cash, check
or credit card accepted. Times of operation will be posted at the pumps and in
the pavilion. Self-serve fuel is available 24/7 at Monroe Municipal Airport,
10 nm west (KEFT).
AIRCRAFT CAMPING
Preferred aircraft camping areas are depicted on the airport diagram. If camping
on or near closed runways remember they will reopen Sunday afternoon. Runway
closures time for early arrivals; Tuesday evening at 7:00 p.m.
DRIVE-IN CAMPING
There are no camping fees at Brodhead Airport, but donations are always appreciated
to help offset the cost of maintenance.
RVs please use the south entrance. Early arrivals should set-up in the south parking
lot until the diagonal runways are closed to aircraft operations on Tuesday
evening at 7:00 p.m. Signage will be in place to guide you to the south driveway.
You may park/camp along the east edge of the field along Airport Road
and in the southeast runway turnaround area once it is closed with the yellow
X. Additional camping is available for smaller campers (no RVs) on the southwest
side by accessing the south driveway and following the road through Hangar
Alley. The southwest runway turnaround is also available for camping once closed.
Please do not park or stop and leave your vehicle in Hangar Alley as this
is a fire lane. Do not drive across runways to access aircraft camping areas along
the west side of the field.
All runways will reopen Sunday afternoon. Please plan your site accordingly.
For driving directions, plug N2439 Airport Road into your GPS or mapping program.
The nearest airport with commercial air carrier service is Dane County Regional
Airport/Madison (KMSN) about 50 minutes north.
AIRPORT RULES
No campfires outside of the Fire Pit (see diagram above).
Pets must be on a leash and must not be left unattended.
Pets are not permitted in the food area.
Motorized vehicles are not to be operated by minors.
No parked vehicles or vehicle traffic to and from the west woods.
FOOD & BEVERAGES
Your fly-in hosts, Cheeseland Chapter EAA 431 volunteers, will have food service
at the airport.
A pancake breakfast will be available on Saturday morning. A continental breakfast
Friday & Sunday mornings.
The lunch window on the back side of the chapter building will be open Friday and
Saturday from 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. offering sandwiches, hot dogs, sides
and beverages. Cash only at the lunch window, please.
Friday night: Fish Boil Dinner; Saturday night: Grilled Pork Chop Dinner. Tickets
are required, available all day in the pavilion.
Drinks are available near the EAA lunch window in vending machines, including cheap
bottled water.
A spaghetti dinner is planned for Thursday evening, put on by Pietenpol volunteers.
There are fast-food and traditional restaurants in Brodhead (1 mile north) and
the Sand Burr Restaurant is about 1.5 miles southeast of the airport on County
Hwy T. Rides may be available for those on foot. Please ask at the chapter pavilion.
Menus for some restaurants are posted on the bulletin board.
AREA LODGING
There is no motel in Brodhead and the Bed & Breakfasts listed here may fill up
during the fly-in, but its worth a call to check and see about cancellations.
Sutherland House B&B (608) 897-4481
Go-Inn Home B&B (608) 897-8138
Maggies Loft B&B (608) 879-2333
Crazy Horse Campground (approx. 4 miles from airport) (608) 897-2207
Private 3-bedroom house for rent in Brodhead. Call 608-558-4474.
MOTELS AVAILABLE IN MONROE, WI (12 miles west):
AmericInn (608) 328-3444
Super 8 (608) 325-1500
Gasthaus (608) 328-8395
More lodging is available in Janesville and Beloit, both about 30 minutes east.
MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS & FAQs
There are showers and bathrooms available in the main chapter building. Enter at
the back of the building. First come, first served. Please help to keep them
clean. Porta-potties are scattered around the airport.
Cheeseland Chapter EAA 431 can now accept credit cards for all chapter purchases,
including meal tickets, shirts and donations. This does not apply to the lunch
window or to fees paid to the Brodhead Pietenpol Association or the Hatz group.
There is free WiFi on the field. Look for Brodhead Airport and EAA Chapter 431
networks. Please moderate your usage as much as possible during busy times.
There are cell phone and laptop charging stations in the pavilion. We are not responsible
for loss or theft of items left unattended.
There are no electric or water connections for RVs at Brodhead Airport. However,
please e-mail if you will need a fresh water fill or dump services and we can
try to accommodate.
http://www.eaa431.org/2015-pietenpolhatz-fly-in-information/
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I am so excited about getting to Brodhead this year. I cannot wait to see you
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How does it sound? All the young car racers here hot rod Japanese cars, but
to me they sound like the muffler has a hole in it. Not deep an manly like
a V8 chevy 350.
So His radiator is located behind his engine inside the cowling?
My thought again is a slow turning engine.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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> Glen Morgan, from New Zealand, sent me these pictures and details of his
> engine.
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> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Glen%20Morgan/Glen%20Morgan.htm
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> Sacramento, CA
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Looking forward to it as well!
<div>Anyone want to do some air-to-air photography of their bird?
Jonathan Apfelbaum
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