---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/29/15: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:25 AM - Re: my 0-200 prop (Andy Garrett) 2. 05:35 AM - Re: Pietenpol for Sale (womenfly2) 3. 06:02 AM - Wing Rib Construction (Andy Garrett) 4. 07:35 AM - Modern old engine idea (Steven Dortch) 5. 07:37 AM - Re: Wing Rib Construction (Bill Church) 6. 07:38 AM - a very wise move (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 7. 09:48 AM - Re: Modern old engine idea (tkreiner) 8. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Modern old engine idea (Steven Dortch) 9. 10:59 AM - Re: Modern old engine idea (Andy Garrett) 10. 11:09 AM - Re: Modern old engine idea (tools) 11. 11:18 AM - In memory of Dick N (tools) 12. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Modern old engine idea (THOMAS.233327) 13. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: Modern old engine idea (THOMAS.233327) 14. 12:40 PM - Re: In memory of Dick N (Jack) 15. 01:57 PM - Re: Modern old engine idea (Catdesigns) 16. 04:06 PM - Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers (IT Girl) 17. 04:10 PM - Brodhead 2015 - Pietenpol Hatz Fly in Schedule of Events (IT Girl) 18. 04:12 PM - Re: Brodhead 2015 - Pietenpol Hatz Fly in Schedule of Events (IT Girl) 19. 06:53 PM - Re: Re: Modern old engine idea (Steven Dortch) 20. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead 2015 - Pietenpol Hatz Fly in Schedule of Events (dog67@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: my 0-200 prop From: "Andy Garrett" Thanks Douwe! If you are interested in selling it, send me an email with a picture, price, and location. My brother-in-law is a supply chain negotiator for Beechcraft here in town. He was impressed with my recent engine purchase and turned me on to a fellow homebuilder who just happens to be the local Continental rep. I'll run those number by him to see what he thinks. I'm not in hurry, but I don't want to miss an opportunity. :) -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444156#444156 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol for Sale From: "womenfly2" Very sorry to hear about your best friend. Had the same feelings when my dad passed away. You may want to give his passing sometime before sell your Piet project, you could finish and fly it is in his memory, keeping both your dreams alive. If not, you may want to post some pictures of your Piet project as is here, may help you sell it. People always like to see pictures. Just a thought. Keep the Dream, WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444158#444158 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Rib Construction From: "Andy Garrett" On the advice of Mike Cuy in his recent post, I ordered and read a set of books by Tony Bingelis (at least those sections/chapters which pertain to wooden construction). In fact, I've read through them many times. On page 73, in the section discussing wing rib construction techniques, the author mentions a fellow named Les Long who used dual cap strips of 1/4" x 1/4" with the uprights and diagonals sandwiched between them. A dab of glue and a nail at each joint finished it off. Excess length of the support members were trimmed off and it was done. No gussets were needed. The wing rib cord was 54" and it weighed 3.5oz. It is reported that it took ten minutes to produce a rib. There is much that is attractive about this method, but I don't know how much a Peit rib weighs when built to plans. Can someone help me with those numbers? I haven't ruled out typical truss construction, but I'm looking at all options. -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444164#444164 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Modern old engine idea From: Steven Dortch For a low HP engine, the ford model A engine works well as a slow turning, high torque engine, to spin a big bladed slow turning prop at the right rpm for the speed envelope of the Piet. (That was the run on sentence from hell.) In other words it is a pretty good match though heavy and not as reliable as I would like. Is there, or what would it take to develop a better version. IE: More reliability, lower weight, maybe 55 to 65 HP with the power and torque band broadly spread at 1600 to 2000 rpm to spin a paddle blade prop. What do y'all think? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Rib Construction From: "Bill Church" The strength of the joints in the plans-built rib comes almost completely from the gussets, due to the amount of surface area. There is some strength in the glue joint between the sticks, but not much, simply because there is not much contact area. I would think that the method you have described would not provide much contact area. Additionally, I'm not sure what the advantage would be. You would have to cut and bend twice as many cap strip pieces. But more importantly, once the pieces are put into the jig and glued, you're still going to have to let the glue cure for a day before removing the rib - so your productivity will still be one rib per day. If you're really curious, build one rib each way, and then do a comparison of actual weight and strength. The traditional rib will surely be stronger, and most likely just a little bit heavier. The traditional rib is certainly beefy, and likely overbuilt. Some have suggested that the ribs could be built using 1/4" x 3/8" capstrips instead of the 1/4" x 1/2" shown in the plans. I just stuck with the plans. At a pace of one rib per day, they can all be built in a month. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444166#444166 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:20 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: a very wise move Andy-- I'm very pleased that you invested in the Tony Bingelis books---and, most importantly that you have dug in an started reading them! You would be surprised at how many questions you can have Tony answer sitting right at your kitchen table with a cup of coffee. (coffee not required) Even after having had my plane flying for nearly 17 years I just broke open Tony's book on engines to find out how tight to torque my motor mount bolts for my A-65 Continental. No guessing when you have those books. Mike C. Ohio ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea From: "tkreiner" Finding a comparable, yet newer, engine may prove to be difficult, as current engines are designed for rpm, and not torque. The bore / stroke relationship of an engine defines the torque and rpm characteristics. In the case of the Model A, the bore is a nominal 3 7/8, and the stroke is a nominal 4 1/4, both measured in inches. Generally, the greater the stroke, the greater the torque production. We'd be hard pressed to find a Spark Ignition (SI) - gas - engine with similar dimensions, but in the case of Compression Ignition (CI) - diesel - I'm reasonably sure we can find something in that range. The weight of a diesel - other than one of the modern ones coming out of europe - will be very heavy, however. The european diesels have been designed for rpm's, however, and their torque, while higher than SI engines, may not be sufficient for a prop. Have fun looking; I'm going with either a Corvair or a Continental... -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444175#444175 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea From: Steven Dortch Tom, I am actually proposing that someone, not me, develop the proposed engine. It would not have to be high tech but could power a whole type of homebuilts. I have a continental a65 Blue skies. Steve D On Jun 29, 2015 11:49 AM, "tkreiner" wrote: > > Finding a comparable, yet newer, engine may prove to be difficult, as > current engines are designed for rpm, and not torque. > > The bore / stroke relationship of an engine defines the torque and rpm > characteristics. In the case of the Model A, the bore is a nominal 3 7/8, > and the stroke is a nominal 4 1/4, both measured in inches. Generally, the > greater the stroke, the greater the torque production. > > We'd be hard pressed to find a Spark Ignition (SI) - gas - engine with > similar dimensions, but in the case of Compression Ignition (CI) - diesel - > I'm reasonably sure we can find something in that range. The weight of a > diesel - other than one of the modern ones coming out of europe - will be > very heavy, however. > > The european diesels have been designed for rpm's, however, and their > torque, while higher than SI engines, may not be sufficient for a prop. > > Have fun looking; I'm going with either a Corvair or a Continental... > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444175#444175 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea From: "Andy Garrett" I looked into the AMC 4.0L straight six just before finding my Continental. These were installed in the Jeep Cherokee and are known for torque. I think HP is 70ish. Not sure about weight. -------- Andy Garrett 'General Purpose Creative Dude' Haysville, Kansas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444185#444185 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea From: "tools" It was mentioned Dick N was considering a wisconsin engine for his scout. Probably a vh4d, a 30hp v-4 industrial gas engine. They also made a 65 hp variant of that, that was physically bigger but otherwise identical. They have a ridiculous heavy finned cast iron flywheel and extensive shrouding that could likely all be removed behind the prop. Not exactly new, being 60s 70s vintage, but damn reliable. They were offered with either points or magnetos. I don't know if it's lighter than a ford or not. The speed range is about right at 2000 to 2500 rpm. Totally continuous duty motors, many ran pumps for years on end. I also can't imagine many of the newer little liquid cooled diesels you find in skid steers, mini excavators, and such might not be usable. Perhaps the air cooled yanmars of John Deere fame might be usable as well. They all seem to be lower rpm torque motors still. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444186#444186 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: In memory of Dick N From: "tools" I got dick's NX2RN up a couple of times this week, been waiting for the chance since I heard the bad news. Today was especially nice. About 7:30 am, absolutely perfectly cool and calm out, no one around but me. I even smiled as I tied off the wheels like he taught me to prop it alone, even using the straps he gave me. I flew to get some fuel nearby, hit a couple of friend's little grass strips. Reminded me of the day Dick first took me for a ride in her. I was horribly saddened by Dick's passing, but I smile ear to ear every time I think of him and 2RN. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444188#444188 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:22 PM PST US From: "THOMAS.233327" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea Tom (A great name-I've used it a lot for years) If you want a more modern engine to look really good AND turn a big prop, you are almost certainly going to have a redrive gearing down the prop RPM OR turn a big ol' motor slowly-I've seen at least 2 Chev V8's in magazines that have worked. Years ago I checked out a Ford 250 CI "small block" (made in 144 -170-200 & 250 Cu In versions, the 250 has an extra main bearing). I forget the weight, but a local race car engine builder said after flow testing the stock head to expect about 125 HP at the rpm's of modern airplane engines. That's direct drive, with appropriate cam and carburetor, about 1/2 HP/CU-IN, close to what airplane engines get (O-200=100hp, O-320=160 HP, O-360=180 HP, etc.). While I personally would need to do a lot more research before I would commit to such a choice, I think it could be interesting. The first thing I would seriously worry about is the size of the crankshaft output bearing (next to the flywheel). Airplane engines have GIANT bearings there, by comparison car engines have little bitty bearings there. Could I use a clutch shaft with a bearing adapted in and to a stock bell housing, driven by a stock clutch disc bolted to the flywheel (most clutch disks have springs that cushion rotational shocks)-go ahead somebody, run with it! Uncushioned extensions like this don't have a very good in service record as I understand it. Steve Wittman tried one in his V-Witt but one of the major VW-airplane engine builders said he had troubles with it. The plans for the Wittman shaft and support were recently available from Aircraft Spruce. $20 as I recall. A personal pet peave of mine -"A small bore, long stroke engine makes more torque than an big bore short stroke engine of the same size because of the additional leverage of the longer stroke". NONSENSE! The larger piston area of the short stroke engine at least makes up for the lower leverage. Plus the larger bore allows bigger valves for more flow. Long stroke engines make more torque because their small valves/ports won't let them make pass as much fuel/air so they are optimized for lower RPM. In any case, a modern engine that you may want to run direct drive in an airplane like a Piet will likely be cheap in the wrecking yards-not many people want them. Tom Hale, lurker, friend of AerocarJake, building a Sonex From: "tkreiner" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:47:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea Finding a comparable, yet newer, engine may prove to be difficult, as current engines are designed for rpm, and not torque. The bore / stroke relationship of an engine defines the torque and rpm characteristics. In the case of the Model A, the bore is a nominal 3 7/8, and the stroke is a nominal 4 1/4, both measured in inches. Generally, the greater the stroke, the greater the torque production. We'd be hard pressed to find a Spark Ignition (SI) - gas - engine with similar dimensions, but in the case of Compression Ignition (CI) - diesel - I'm reasonably sure we can find something in that range. The weight of a diesel - other than one of the modern ones coming out of europe - will be very heavy, however. The european diesels have been designed for rpm's, however, and their torque, while higher than SI engines, may not be sufficient for a prop. Have fun looking; I'm going with either a Corvair or a Continental... -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444175#444175 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:19 PM PST US From: "THOMAS.233327" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea I meant to say that was a "Small Block Inline 6" Ford motor. About a zillion were made and found in Falcons, Mustangs, Mavericks and more models. Ford also made a "Big Block" inline 6 (240 and 300 Cu In). I don't beleave any of these engines are in current production. Tom Hale ----- Original Message ----- From: "THOMAS.233327" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 12:24:25 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea Tom (A great name-I've used it a lot for years) If you want a more modern engine to look really good AND turn a big prop, you are almost certainly going to have a redrive gearing down the prop RPM OR turn a big ol' motor slowly-I've seen at least 2 Chev V8's in magazines that have worked. Years ago I checked out a Ford 250 CI "small block" (made in 144 -170-200 & 250 Cu In versions, the 250 has an extra main bearing). I forget the weight, but a local race car engine builder said after flow testing the stock head to expect about 125 HP at the rpm's of modern airplane engines. That's direct drive, with appropriate cam and carburetor, about 1/2 HP/CU-IN, close to what airplane engines get (O-200=100hp, O-320=160 HP, O-360=180 HP, etc.). While I personally would need to do a lot more research before I would commit to such a choice, I think it could be interesting. The first thing I would seriously worry about is the size of the crankshaft output bearing (next to the flywheel). Airplane engines have GIANT bearings there, by comparison car engines have little bitty bearings there. Could I use a clutch shaft with a bearing adapted in and to a stock bell housing, driven by a stock clutch disc bolted to the flywheel (most clutch disks have springs that cushion rotational shocks)-go ahead somebody, run with it! Uncushioned extensions like this don't have a very good in service record as I understand it. Steve Wittman tried one in his V-Witt but one of the major VW-airplane engine builders said he had troubles with it. The plans for the Wittman shaft and support were recently available from Aircraft Spruce. $20 as I recall. A personal pet peave of mine -"A small bore, long stroke engine makes more torque than an big bore short stroke engine of the same size because of the additional leverage of the longer stroke". NONSENSE! The larger piston area of the short stroke engine at least makes up for the lower leverage. Plus the larger bore allows bigger valves for more flow. Long stroke engines make more torque because their small valves/ports won't let them make pass as much fuel/air so they are optimized for lower RPM. In any case, a modern engine that you may want to run direct drive in an airplane like a Piet will likely be cheap in the wrecking yards-not many people want them. Tom Hale, lurker, friend of AerocarJake, building a Sonex From: "tkreiner" Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:47:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea Finding a comparable, yet newer, engine may prove to be difficult, as current engines are designed for rpm, and not torque. The bore / stroke relationship of an engine defines the torque and rpm characteristics. In the case of the Model A, the bore is a nominal 3 7/8, and the stroke is a nominal 4 1/4, both measured in inches. Generally, the greater the stroke, the greater the torque production. We'd be hard pressed to find a Spark Ignition (SI) - gas - engine with similar dimensions, but in the case of Compression Ignition (CI) - diesel - I'm reasonably sure we can find something in that range. The weight of a diesel - other than one of the modern ones coming out of europe - will be very heavy, however. The european diesels have been designed for rpm's, however, and their torque, while higher than SI engines, may not be sufficient for a prop. Have fun looking; I'm going with either a Corvair or a Continental... -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444175#444175 ======================== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: In memory of Dick N From: Jack Nice story Tools. That was the ship Dick gave me my ride in... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Jun 29, 2015, at 1:18 PM, "tools" wrote: > > > I got dick's NX2RN up a couple of times this week, been waiting for the chance since I heard the bad news. Today was especially nice. About 7:30 am, absolutely perfectly cool and calm out, no one around but me. > > I even smiled as I tied off the wheels like he taught me to prop it alone, even using the straps he gave me. > > I flew to get some fuel nearby, hit a couple of friend's little grass strips. Reminded me of the day Dick first took me for a ride in her. > > I was horribly saddened by Dick's passing, but I smile ear to ear every time I think of him and 2RN. > > Tools > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444188#444188 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea From: "Catdesigns" Glen Morgan, from New Zealand, sent me these pictures and details of his engine. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Glen%20Morgan/Glen%20Morgan.htm -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444193#444193 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers From: "IT Girl" Kevin and I will beta test for you. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444197#444197 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2015 - Pietenpol Hatz Fly in Schedule of Events From: "IT Girl" BRODHEAD PIETENPOL/HATZ FLY-IN Also Fleet and Bleriot group gatherings JULY 16-19, 2015 The following information is provided by Cheeseland Chapter EAA 431 for attendees of the 2015 Pietenpol/Hatz Fly-in. Information is subject to change. For information about specific club activities, please refer to the Hatz or Pietenpol groups. Information provided here is subject to updates and changes. Last updated June 28, 2015 FLY-IN INFORMATION Use only the active E-W runway 9/27. Other runways will be closed to landing and departing aircraft earlier in the week and reopening Sunday afternoon (check NOTAM for exact times). All landing and departing aircraft: 800 AGL left-hand pattern. Radio equipped aircraft use UNICOM on 122.9 but be aware that many aircraft are NOT radio equipped. Keep your eyes opensee and avoid and be predictable! Fly-bys should be conducted south of the active runway 9/27 employing the standard racetrack pattern with a minimum safe altitude. Example: When runway 9 is active, fly-by traffic will practice a right-hand pattern. When runway 27 is active, all fly-bys will employ left-hand racetrack pattern. Please No fly-bys or low flying along closed runways 3/21 or 15/33! When done flying for the day, or in the case of bad weather, please ensure that your aircraft is tied down. Please provide your own tie-downs. Camping and parking map for Pietenpol/Hatz 2013 Camping and parking map for Pietenpol/Hatz 2015. Click to enlarge. AIRCRAFT FUEL AVAILABILITY 100LL and ethanol-free auto fuel (MOGAS) is available at Brodhead; cash, check or credit card accepted. Times of operation will be posted at the pumps and in the pavilion. Self-serve fuel is available 24/7 at Monroe Municipal Airport, 10 nm west (KEFT). AIRCRAFT CAMPING Preferred aircraft camping areas are depicted on the airport diagram. If camping on or near closed runways remember they will reopen Sunday afternoon. Runway closures time for early arrivals; Tuesday evening at 7:00 p.m. DRIVE-IN CAMPING There are no camping fees at Brodhead Airport, but donations are always appreciated to help offset the cost of maintenance. RVs please use the south entrance. Early arrivals should set-up in the south parking lot until the diagonal runways are closed to aircraft operations on Tuesday evening at 7:00 p.m. Signage will be in place to guide you to the south driveway. You may park/camp along the east edge of the field along Airport Road and in the southeast runway turnaround area once it is closed with the yellow X. Additional camping is available for smaller campers (no RVs) on the southwest side by accessing the south driveway and following the road through Hangar Alley. The southwest runway turnaround is also available for camping once closed. Please do not park or stop and leave your vehicle in Hangar Alley as this is a fire lane. Do not drive across runways to access aircraft camping areas along the west side of the field. All runways will reopen Sunday afternoon. Please plan your site accordingly. For driving directions, plug N2439 Airport Road into your GPS or mapping program. The nearest airport with commercial air carrier service is Dane County Regional Airport/Madison (KMSN) about 50 minutes north. AIRPORT RULES No campfires outside of the Fire Pit (see diagram above). Pets must be on a leash and must not be left unattended. Pets are not permitted in the food area. Motorized vehicles are not to be operated by minors. No parked vehicles or vehicle traffic to and from the west woods. FOOD & BEVERAGES Your fly-in hosts, Cheeseland Chapter EAA 431 volunteers, will have food service at the airport. A pancake breakfast will be available on Saturday morning. A continental breakfast Friday & Sunday mornings. The lunch window on the back side of the chapter building will be open Friday and Saturday from 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. offering sandwiches, hot dogs, sides and beverages. Cash only at the lunch window, please. Friday night: Fish Boil Dinner; Saturday night: Grilled Pork Chop Dinner. Tickets are required, available all day in the pavilion. Drinks are available near the EAA lunch window in vending machines, including cheap bottled water. A spaghetti dinner is planned for Thursday evening, put on by Pietenpol volunteers. There are fast-food and traditional restaurants in Brodhead (1 mile north) and the Sand Burr Restaurant is about 1.5 miles southeast of the airport on County Hwy T. Rides may be available for those on foot. Please ask at the chapter pavilion. Menus for some restaurants are posted on the bulletin board. AREA LODGING There is no motel in Brodhead and the Bed & Breakfasts listed here may fill up during the fly-in, but its worth a call to check and see about cancellations. Sutherland House B&B (608) 897-4481 Go-Inn Home B&B (608) 897-8138 Maggies Loft B&B (608) 879-2333 Crazy Horse Campground (approx. 4 miles from airport) (608) 897-2207 Private 3-bedroom house for rent in Brodhead. Call 608-558-4474. MOTELS AVAILABLE IN MONROE, WI (12 miles west): AmericInn (608) 328-3444 Super 8 (608) 325-1500 Gasthaus (608) 328-8395 More lodging is available in Janesville and Beloit, both about 30 minutes east. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS & FAQs There are showers and bathrooms available in the main chapter building. Enter at the back of the building. First come, first served. Please help to keep them clean. Porta-potties are scattered around the airport. Cheeseland Chapter EAA 431 can now accept credit cards for all chapter purchases, including meal tickets, shirts and donations. This does not apply to the lunch window or to fees paid to the Brodhead Pietenpol Association or the Hatz group. There is free WiFi on the field. Look for Brodhead Airport and EAA Chapter 431 networks. Please moderate your usage as much as possible during busy times. There are cell phone and laptop charging stations in the pavilion. We are not responsible for loss or theft of items left unattended. There are no electric or water connections for RVs at Brodhead Airport. However, please e-mail if you will need a fresh water fill or dump services and we can try to accommodate. http://www.eaa431.org/2015-pietenpolhatz-fly-in-information/ -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444198#444198 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2015 - Pietenpol Hatz Fly in Schedule of Events From: "IT Girl" I am so excited about getting to Brodhead this year. I cannot wait to see you all. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444199#444199 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:31 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Modern old engine idea How does it sound? All the young car racers here hot rod Japanese cars, but to me they sound like the muffler has a hole in it. Not deep an manly like a V8 chevy 350. So His radiator is located behind his engine inside the cowling? My thought again is a slow turning engine. Blue Skies, Steve D On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Catdesigns wrote: > > Glen Morgan, from New Zealand, sent me these pictures and details of his > engine. > > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Glen%20Morgan/Glen%20Morgan.htm > > -------- > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444193#444193 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:16 PM PST US From: dog67@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2015 - Pietenpol Hatz Fly in Schedule of Events Looking forward to it as well!
Anyone want to do some air-to-air photography of their bird? Jonathan Apfelbaum Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -----Original Message----- From: IT Girl Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 05:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2015 - Pietenpol Hatz Fly in Schedule of Events
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