---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/04/15: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:19 AM - Re: Getting ready to paint (Charles N. Campbell) 2. 07:18 AM - Pictures (Jim Brewer) 3. 10:24 AM - Re: email test (Gerrit-Jan Kaal) 4. 12:25 PM - Re: Pictures (namrednos) 5. 01:10 PM - Re: email test (Charles N. Campbell) 6. 02:18 PM - Re: Getting ready to paint (Ray Krause) 7. 02:23 PM - Re: Getting ready to paint (Ray Krause) 8. 03:15 PM - Re: Getting ready to paint (gliderx5@comcast.net) 9. 03:29 PM - Re: Getting ready to paint (Scott Knowlton) 10. 03:32 PM - Re: Pictures (tools) 11. 04:33 PM - Heat (Rich's Comcast) 12. 04:58 PM - Re: Getting ready to paint (Steven Dortch) 13. 04:59 PM - Re: Heat (tools) 14. 05:18 PM - Re: Heat (Jack Philips) 15. 05:29 PM - Re: Getting ready to paint (gliderx5@comcast.net) 16. 05:39 PM - Re: Getting ready to paint (gliderx5@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint From: "Charles N. Campbell" Ray, there was no message. Chuck On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:47 AM PST US From: Jim Brewer Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pictures Did anyone on the list who attended AirVenture 2015 take any pictures of the naked Piet in the homebuilders hanger? Would you share them with me and the list? I forgot to take my camera when I was going to get pictures. Two other things: If I were to buy the wood to build a Piet from a lumber yard how much will it take and what sizes should I purchase? I understand there will be wood that I cannot use. That is true of when you build furniture. Any sources of spruce or fir you could recommend would be appreciated. I am in NC. Does anyone have a single copy (any issue) of the newsletter they could send me in .pdf ? I just want to "sample" the newsletter. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:47 AM PST US From: Gerrit-Jan Kaal Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: email test Z2V0dGluZyB3aGF0PyA6RA0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogRG91 d2UgQmx1bWJlcmcNClNlbnQ6IDcvMjkvMjAxNSAxOToxNg0KVG86IHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1h dHJvbmljcy5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBlbWFpbCB0ZXN0DQoNCg0KQW55 Ym9keSBnZXR0aW5nIHRoaXM/DQoNCiANCg0KRG91d2UNCg0KDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAg IC0gVGhlIFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVtIC0NCl8tPSBVc2UgdGhlIE1hdHJvbmlj cyBMaXN0IEZlYXR1cmVzIE5hdmlnYXRvciB0byBicm93c2UNCl8tPSB0aGUgbWFueSBMaXN0IHV0 aWxpdGllcyBzdWNoIGFzIExpc3QgVW4vU3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uLA0KXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNo ICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLA0KXy09IFBob3Rvc2hhcmUsIGFu ZCBtdWNoIG11Y2ggbW9yZToNCl8tPQ0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNv bS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/UGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3QNCl8tPQ0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAg IC0gTUFUUk9OSUNTIFdFQiBGT1JVTVMgLQ0KXy09IFNhbWUgZ3JlYXQgY29udGVudCBhbHNvIGF2 YWlsYWJsZSB2aWEgdGhlIFdlYiBGb3J1bXMhDQpfLT0NCl8tPSAgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1z Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCl8tPQ0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIExpc3QgQ29udHJp YnV0aW9uIFdlYiBTaXRlIC0NCl8tPSAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdlbmVyb3VzIHN1cHBv cnQhDQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtTWF0dCBEcmFsbGUsIExpc3Qg QWRtaW4uDQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbg0K Xy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT0 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pictures From: "namrednos" Jim, see attached material list. I purchased Spruce from both Aircraft Spruce and Wicks Aircraft. Everything can be sent UPS except the longerons and wing spars. For plywood I purchased Marine grade from a local boat shop (Homestead). Hope this helps Scott -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445581#445581 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wood_bill_of_materials_703.pdf ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: email test From: "Charles N. Campbell" Yes, Douwe, you're coming thru loud and clear. Why do you wonder?Chuck On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Gerrit-Jan Kaal wrote: > getting what? :D > ------------------------------ > From: Douwe Blumberg > Sent: 7/29/2015 19:16 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: email test > > Anybody getting this? > > > Douwe > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint From: Ray Krause ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:17 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:52 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint You guys might know that I'm a bit of a "Gloss" nut, but I receintly painted a test panel (after priming) with 3 sprayed coats of semi-gloss (Lowes stuff), sanded lightly with 2000 grit wet to remove dust and such, and then waxed. The result is a nice smooth, military look. The semi-gloss seemed to cover quicker than the high gloss, thus only 3 coats needed. Of course it was a different brand too. I have not been washing the bare fabric, but it's probably a good idea. And I've switched from EkoBond to 3M FastBond Latex Contact Adhesive. Malcolm Morrison www.wienerdogaero.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 12:02:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint Charles, I used Kelly Moore over EcoBond and washed the fabric as they describe, using their cleaning solution. My applications were done by rolling the primer coats (KM primer), and using a foam brush for color coats, leaving it with a crossed-stroke brush look. My upcoming project is a Baby Ace, where I'll be doing a similar application, except that I'll wash the fabric with 'house wash' from Home Depot, primer and finish as described by Wiener Dog Aero, sanding and polishing the paint. Gary Boothe Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Charles N. Campbell < charlescampbell1924@gmail.com > wrote: Steve, I was going to use a foam paint brush. Think I'll use the brush for the primer and use a foam roller for the finish coats. In the Stewart video the painter used a foam brush for the primer and sprayed the finish coats. I can't use a sprayer because I don't have a spray booth. The Weiner Dog videos show using a foam roller. Of course he was going for a very high shine on his surfaces so he used about four different levels of sandpaper -- like 600 grit, then 1000, then 1200, and then 1500. He got a high gloss look which I'm not going for. I want a more 1920's look. I don't know if they even had 1500 grit sandpaper back then. Did you sand your finish? Chuck On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Steven Dortch < steven.d.dortch@gmail.com > wrote:
Uh, Chuck, I did not see anyone wash the materiel on the videos I saw, So I did not wash it myself. That does not mean it should not be done but I am not going to worry about it. I think it has to do with oils that are used in the manufacturing process. Here is some free advice, (and worth every Penny) from a guy who did a 20 foot paint job. (It looks great 20 feet away.) The initial Prime is done to push the latex paint through the weave and get a mechanical grip on the fabric. So I thinned it with windshield washer fluid. I also tried thinning with water to get it to "Push" into the weave. Both worked, Washer fluid dries faster. Painting with Latex is so much easier that I will not hesitate to paint another paint scheme when this needs redoing. It is just that easy. I actually had to paint over some decorative markings and repaint them and did so without getting stressed. I had a 2 year old grandson running around. When he got into the paint it was a nonevent. Just wash him up. Are you going to paint with rollers or spray? I could not get it to look good with rollers, but My Harbor Freight HVLP paint gun made it easy to spray. If I did it again I would simply spray and would not sand unless there is a flaw. I just wore a paper mask and safety glasses, old clothes and had a fan blowing gently to keep the hanging mist moving out of the garage. I shared a 1930s garage with my neighbor. There was a chickenwire "wall", so I hung a blue tarp up between my side and his and ran the fan. I think some of his camping stuff now has a slight yellow haze to it. Everything not covered will get a light coat on it if you spray. My fuselage was mostly assembled, and when I was ready to paint it the pollen was pretty bad in San Antonio. So at that point I did make a paint booth with plastic and put fans pushing and sucking. My neighbor was so excited that I was painting a plane in his garage he did not mind. I bought a roll of masking paper at the auto paint shop about 20 inches wide. Nice to know that paint won't go through it. about $16 and I still have a bunch left over. Practice with several types of masking tape and various thinning mixtures. I found that some tapes did not do what they said. Others that were cheaper worked great. One that said it gave a "Sharp edge" allowed the paint to creep under it Anouther made a super sharp line. Sorry I don't remember the brands. Also I saved old masking tape by sticking it to a cardboard box and used it again to tape covers over various items not to be painted. new masking tape was for sharp edges. I used flotrol which is supposed to make the paint lay down and spread out better, but I am not sure it made a difference with the spray rig. Enjoy painting, I did. Blue (or what ever you paint them) Skies, Steve D. On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Charles N. Campbell < charlescampbell1924@gmail.com > wrote:
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________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint From: Scott Knowlton Malcolm. Thanks for the continued awesome technical research and practicums . You are a great resource for those of us who simply want to benefit from y our trials and errors. Can you provide the product number of the 3M Latex Fa stbond Adhesive? Scott Knowlton Fuselage/tail group/centre section built.. Wing assembly to go.... Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 4, 2015, at 6:18 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote: > > You guys might know that I'm a bit of a "Gloss" nut, but I receintly paint ed a test panel (after priming) with 3 sprayed coats of semi-gloss (Lowes st uff), sanded lightly with 2000 grit wet to remove dust and such, and then wa xed. The result is a nice smooth, military look. The semi-gloss seemed to co ver quicker than the high gloss, thus only 3 coats needed. Of course it was a different brand too. > > I have not been washing the bare fabric, but it's probably a good idea. An d I've switched from EkoBond to 3M FastBond Latex Contact Adhesive. > > Malcolm Morrison > www.wienerdogaero.com > > > From: "Gary Boothe" > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 12:02:59 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint > > Charles, > > I used Kelly Moore over EcoBond and washed the fabric as they describe, us ing their cleaning solution. My applications were done by rolling the primer coats (KM primer), and using a foam brush for color coats, leaving it with a crossed-stroke brush look. > > My upcoming project is a Baby Ace, where I'll be doing a similar applicati on, except that I'll wash the fabric with 'house wash' from Home Depot, prim er and finish as described by Wiener Dog Aero, sanding and polishing the pai nt. > > Gary Boothe > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 3, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: > > Steve, I was going to use a foam paint brush. Think I'll use the brush fo r the primer and use a foam roller for the finish coats. In the Stewart vide o the painter used a foam brush for the primer and sprayed the finish coats. I can't use a sprayer because I don't have a spray booth. The Weiner Dog v ideos show using a foam roller. Of course he was going for a very high shin e on his surfaces so he used about four different levels of sandpaper -- lik e 600 grit, then 1000, then 1200, and then 1500. He got a high gloss look w hich I'm not going for. I want a more 1920's look. I don't know if they ev en had 1500 grit sandpaper back then. Did you sand your finish? Chuck > >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: >> Uh, Chuck, I did not see anyone wash the materiel on the videos I saw, So I did not wash it myself. That does not mean it should not be done but I am not going to worry about it. I think it has to do with oils that are used i n the manufacturing process. >> >> Here is some free advice, (and worth every Penny) from a guy who did a 20 foot paint job. (It looks great 20 feet away.) >> >> The initial Prime is done to push the latex paint through the weave and g et a mechanical grip on the fabric. So I thinned it with windshield washer f luid. I also tried thinning with water to get it to "Push" into the weave. B oth worked, Washer fluid dries faster. >> >> Painting with Latex is so much easier that I will not hesitate to paint a nother paint scheme when this needs redoing. It is just that easy. I actuall y had to paint over some decorative markings and repaint them and did so wit hout getting stressed. I had a 2 year old grandson running around. When he g ot into the paint it was a nonevent. Just wash him up. >> >> Are you going to paint with rollers or spray? >> >> I could not get it to look good with rollers, but My Harbor Freight HVLP p aint gun made it easy to spray. If I did it again I would simply spray and w ould not sand unless there is a flaw. >> >> I just wore a paper mask and safety glasses, old clothes and had a fan bl owing gently to keep the hanging mist moving out of the garage. I shared a 1 930s garage with my neighbor. There was a chickenwire "wall", so I hung a b lue tarp up between my side and his and ran the fan. I think some of his cam ping stuff now has a slight yellow haze to it. Everything not covered will g et a light coat on it if you spray. My fuselage was mostly assembled, and wh en I was ready to paint it the pollen was pretty bad in San Antonio. So at t hat point I did make a paint booth with plastic and put fans pushing and suc king. My neighbor was so excited that I was painting a plane in his garage h e did not mind. >> >> I bought a roll of masking paper at the auto paint shop about 20 inches w ide. Nice to know that paint won't go through it. about $16 and I still have a bunch left over. >> >> Practice with several types of masking tape and various thinning mixtures . I found that some tapes did not do what they said. Others that were cheape r worked great. One that said it gave a "Sharp edge" allowed the paint to cr eep under it Anouther made a super sharp line. Sorry I don't remember the br ands. Also I saved old masking tape by sticking it to a cardboard box and us ed it again to tape covers over various items not to be painted. new masking tape was for sharp edges. >> >> I used flotrol which is supposed to make the paint lay down and spread ou t better, but I am not sure it made a difference with the spray rig. >> >> Enjoy painting, I did. >> >> Blue (or what ever you paint them) Skies, >> Steve D. >> >>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: >>> OK! I have a question for someone who has painted a Piet with latex hou se paint. The Stewart system video shows the unpainted surface of the fabri c being washed with a soap solution before painting. Of course he was using Stewart system paints. Did any of you clean the fabric with a soap solutio n before the primer paint was applied? If so, what method did you use. I d on't have any of the Stewart soap solution and am wondering what to use -- i f any or what to do if soap solution is not used. 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I might be able to find it and get pics for you as I live locally. Also, there is a bare bones piet in the Piet hangar at pioneer field in the museum I can easily get to. Do you drive to airventure? If so, a quick stop at mccormicks lumber in Madison wi can solve most if not all of your spruce wood needs. Also, if you buy lumber from there, I can get it to chatt tn within a few months for free if that helps. Also, I host a get together near chatt every late February. If you come to that, a field trip to aircraft spruce, a tad over two hours from chatt, can get you lumber and plywood from there sans shipping. Food for thought. Tools, 423 580 1383 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445595#445595 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heat From: "Rich's Comcast" <4rcsimmons@comcast.net> Hey list, I am a stalker , finishing up my 601XL and looking at the Piet for a next man cave project. I noticed an image of some winter flights in a Piet with continental engine with exhaust stacks. If you have stacks, what do you use for heat? Just curious P.S. If your near Murfreesboro/Middle TN and would like to share your Piet, I would love to seat it! Rich Simmons Murfreesboro, Tn Hangared at KMBT 601XL-B 2 months out ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint From: Steven Dortch Ray, you are shooting blanks. Steve D On Aug 4, 2015 4:33 PM, "Ray Krause" wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heat From: "tools" Mine is based just north of 9a5, Lafayette ga. Welcome to come check it out anytime. The best you're gonna do for heat is good technical wear and a face mask! We flew ours, my son and I, last winter in chickamauga in about five inches of snow and forth degree weather! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445598#445598 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:54 PM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Heat I don't have short stacks, but two 2-into-1 manifolds, with built in heat muffs. One of the heat muffs is for carb heat, the other for cabin heat. I can cover my front cockpit and running the heater will at least keep my feet warm. The limiting factor for flying is wind on the face. With a wool balaclava covering my face I have flown for nearly 2 hours in 35 degree weather. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rich's Comcast Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heat --> < 4rcsimmons@comcast.net> Hey list, I am a stalker , finishing up my 601XL and looking at the Piet for a next man cave project. I noticed an image of some winter flights in a Piet with continental engine with exhaust stacks. If you have stacks, what do you use for heat? Just curious P.S. If your near Murfreesboro/Middle TN and would like to share your Piet, I would love to seat it! Rich Simmons Murfreesboro, Tn Hangared at KMBT 601XL-B 2 months out http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:31 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:55 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint I tried to attach a picture of the glue, but everytime I try to attach a pi cture the email gets posted with no content :-( 3M Fastbond 30NF Contact Adhesive Green, 1 Qt Water-Dispersed High-Strength Contact Adhesive. Has High Coverage, a Long Bonding Range, and good Heat R esistance. Use to Bond Foamed Plastics, Plastic Laminate, Wood, Plywood and Wood Veneer. Non-flammable in the wet state. Model # 30NF Features: Long b onding range with high immediate bond strength Economical high coverage Mee ts MILA24179A, Type I, GREENGUARD Certified General industrial Bonding, adh ering, gluing, joining and attaching Item Dimensions: 2.2" L x 5.2" W x 7.6 " H It comes in white also, but use the green. You can't see where you have glu ed with the white. Malcolm Morrison www.wienerdogaero.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Knowlton" Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:28:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint Malcolm. Thanks for the continued awesome technical research and practicums . You are a great resource for those of us who simply want to benefit from your trials and errors. Can you provide the product number of the 3M Latex Fastbond Adhesive? Scott Knowlton Fuselage/tail group/centre section built.. Wing assembly to go.... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2015, at 6:18 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote: You guys might know that I'm a bit of a "Gloss" nut, but I receintly painte d a test panel (after priming) with 3 sprayed coats of semi-gloss (Lowes st uff), sanded lightly with 2000 grit wet to remove dust and such, and then w axed. The result is a nice smooth, military look. The semi-gloss seemed to cover quicker than the high gloss, thus only 3 coats needed. Of course it w as a different brand too. I have not been washing the bare fabric, but it's probably a good idea. And I've switched from EkoBond to 3M FastBond Latex Contact Adhesive. Malcolm Morrison www.wienerdogaero.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" < gboothe5@comcast.net > Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 12:02:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting ready to paint Charles, I used Kelly Moore over EcoBond and washed the fabric as they describe, usi ng their cleaning solution. My applications were done by rolling the primer coats (KM primer), and using a foam brush for color coats, leaving it with a crossed-stroke brush look. My upcoming project is a Baby Ace, where I'll be doing a similar applicatio n, except that I'll wash the fabric with 'house wash' from Home Depot, prim er and finish as described by Wiener Dog Aero, sanding and polishing the pa int. Gary Boothe Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Charles N. Campbell < charlescampbell1924@gmail .com > wrote:
Steve, I was going to use a foam paint brush. Think I'll use the brush for the primer and use a foam roller for the finish coats. In the Stewart video the painter used a foam brush for the primer and sprayed the finish coats. I can't use a sprayer because I don't have a spray booth. The Weiner Dog v ideos show using a foam roller. Of course he was going for a very high shin e on his surfaces so he used about four different levels of sandpaper -- li ke 600 grit, then 1000, then 1200, and then 1500. He got a high gloss look which I'm not going for. I want a more 1920's look. I don't know if they ev en had 1500 grit sandpaper back then. Did you sand your finish? Chuck On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Steven Dortch < steven.d.dortch@gmail.com > wrote:
Uh, Chuck, I did not see anyone wash the materiel on the videos I saw, So I did not wash it myself. That does not mean it should not be done but I am not going to worry about it. I think it has to do with oils that are used i n the manufacturing process. Here is some free advice, (and worth every Penny) from a guy who did a 20 f oot paint job. (It looks great 20 feet away.) The initial Prime is done to push the latex paint through the weave and get a mechanical grip on the fabric. So I thinned it with windshield washer fl uid. I also tried thinning with water to get it to "Push" into the weave. B oth worked, Washer fluid dries faster. Painting with Latex is so much easier that I will not hesitate to paint ano ther paint scheme when this needs redoing. It is just that easy. I actually had to paint over some decorative markings and repaint them and did so wit hout getting stressed. I had a 2 year old grandson running around. When he got into the paint it was a nonevent. Just wash him up. Are you going to paint with rollers or spray? I could not get it to look good with rollers, but My Harbor Freight HVLP pa int gun made it easy to spray. If I did it again I would simply spray and w ould not sand unless there is a flaw. I just wore a paper mask and safety glasses, old clothes and had a fan blow ing gently to keep the hanging mist moving out of the garage. I shared a 19 30s garage with my neighbor. There was a chickenwire "wall", so I hung a bl ue tarp up between my side and his and ran the fan. I think some of his cam ping stuff now has a slight yellow haze to it. Everything not covered will get a light coat on it if you spray. My fuselage was mostly assembled, and when I was ready to paint it the pollen was pretty bad in San Antonio. So a t that point I did make a paint booth with plastic and put fans pushing and sucking. My neighbor was so excited that I was painting a plane in his gar age he did not mind. I bought a roll of masking paper at the auto paint shop about 20 inches wid e. Nice to know that paint won't go through it. about $16 and I still have a bunch left over. Practice with several types of masking tape and various thinning mixtures. I found that some tapes did not do what they said. Others that were cheaper worked great. One that said it gave a "Sharp edge" allowed the paint to cr eep under it Anouther made a super sharp line. Sorry I don't remember the b rands. Also I saved old masking tape by sticking it to a cardboard box and used it again to tape covers over various items not to be painted. new mask ing tape was for sharp edges. I used flotrol which is supposed to make the paint lay down and spread out better, but I am not sure it made a difference with the spray rig. Enjoy painting, I did. Blue (or what ever you paint them) Skies, Steve D. On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Charles N. Campbell < charlescampbell1924@g mail.com > wrote:
OK! I have a question for someone who has painted a Piet with latex house p aint. The Stewart system video shows the unpainted surface of the fabric be ing washed with a soap solution before painting. Of course he was using Ste wart system paints. Did any of you clean the fabric with a soap solution be fore the primer paint was applied? If so, what method did you use. I don't have any of the Stewart soap solution and am wondering what to use -- if an y or what to do if soap solution is not used. I would appreciate any help. Chuck " target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp:/ / forums.matronics.com _blank"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D " target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp:/ /forums.matronics.com _blank"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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