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1. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: Heritage flyin Dayton (Andre B. Charvet)
2. 06:02 AM - Re: Mong Sport Biplane for sale on ebay (MyrickPiet)
3. 06:53 AM - So Cal (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:57 AM - rib stitching (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 07:31 AM - Re: rib stitching (Steven Dortch)
6. 08:33 AM - Re: BPA Newsletter PDF (pjb)
7. 09:12 AM - BPA Newsletter (Steven Dortch)
8. 09:56 AM - Re: BPA Newsletter (Gary Boothe)
9. 10:06 AM - Re: welcome Semih (oldbird)
10. 10:09 AM - Re: BPA Newsletter (Gary Boothe)
11. 10:43 AM - Re: BPA Newsletter (Gerrit-Jan Kaal)
12. 01:04 PM - Re: BPA Newsletter (Steven Dortch)
13. 05:21 PM - Re: Heritage flyin Dayton (taildrags)
14. 06:41 PM - Re: BPA Newsletter (John Hofmann)
15. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Heritage flyin Dayton (Ray Krause)
16. 08:00 PM - Re: rib stitching (Ray Krause)
17. 08:49 PM - Re: Re: Heritage flyin Dayton (Ray Krause)
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Subject: | Re: Heritage flyin Dayton |
We wouldn't want to deprive you of the fun. It really is enjoyable
Ben
Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>Got any extra time? Stitching is fun!
>
>Ray
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Stitching is fun...stitching is fun....stitching is fun..."
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary and Jim,
>>>
>>> Thanks, I got the fabric on the bottom of the left wing, it's all taught, ready
to turn it over and do the top side, then stitching...ugh!
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 7:26 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Beautiful, Ray!!
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe all those nice, green grass strips has something to do with that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Starting on covering the wings. The workshop gave birth to the fuselage last
Monday. Making progress.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray Krause
>>>>>
>>>>> <image1.JPG>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:03 PM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
wrote:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Douwe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How was the fly-in? I'll bet it was great. You guys in the east seem to
have more grass roots fly-ins than we do on the west coast. I sure wish I could
attend those. It's just not close enough for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------
>>>>>> Scott Liefeld
>>>>>> Flying N11MS since March 1972
>>>>>> Steel Tube
>>>>>> C-85-12
>>>>>> Wire Wheels
>>>>>> Brodhead in 1996
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
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>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445901#445901
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Subject: | Re: Mong Sport Biplane for sale on ebay |
Jack: anytime you want to identify an owner go to http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnum_inquiry.aspx
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Hey Scott,
Grew up in L.A. and lived just north of the city in Santa Clarita until
2001; then I ran away to the country.
Hung out a lot at Santa Paula but didn't fly back then, just daydreamed.
Douwe
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I can't way I enjoyed rib stitching but I will say once I got set up and had
a system, it wasn't bad at all. You can hit it hard and get it done in a
couple of days if you're wired that way.
I layed the wing nose down, marked all the holes and burned tiny holes at
each spot. Then made up some long straight "needles" from welding rod (or
buy them), got the lights nice and bright, turned on some music and
stationed a friend on the other side. Then we just passed the needle back
and forth to eachother. By looking through the premade holes, you can see
into the wing to the needle to the correct opposite hole quite easily. Goes
really quickly.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: rib stitching |
My grandson had the great idea of sending the needle back through backwards
rather than trying to hit the hole with a curved tip. The curved tip is
only for when you are going to the next set of holes.
Try it. it seems backwards but it is faster.
I found stitching to be like Zen Yoga (I guess). Set it up in a place that
is comfortable. I did it under a nice shade tree. Put on some good music
or Prairie home companion and have coffee or cokes available and just relax
and stitch.
Kind of like cleaning my guns. It can be soothing and calming. (the voices
tell me to make sure my guns are clean!)
Oh yeah, If the Prairie home companion pretty good joke show is on, don't
try to stitch. You won't get anything done from laughing so much.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Douwe Blumberg <douwe@douwestudios.com>
wrote:
> I can=99t way I enjoyed rib stitching but I will say once I got set
up and
> had a system, it wasn=99t bad at all. You can hit it hard and get
it done in
> a couple of days if you=99re wired that way.
>
>
> I layed the wing nose down, marked all the holes and burned tiny holes at
> each spot. Then made up some long straight =9Cneedles=9D fro
m welding rod (or
> buy them), got the lights nice and bright, turned on some music and
> stationed a friend on the other side. Then we just passed the needle bac
k
> and forth to eachother. By looking through the premade holes, you can se
e
> into the wing to the needle to the correct opposite hole quite easily.
> Goes really quickly.
>
>
> Douwe
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter PDF |
Chuck,
Thankyou very much for your reply, I'll send you an email.
Ray,
I'll post info in a new thread.
Cheers,
Patricia
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Hey guys, I enjoyed my BPA newsletter. I understand the need for articles.
What do we want in the newsletter?
Painting?
Sources for engines?
Discussions on safety?
New things you have tried?
Instrument panel ideas? IE should I put a full IFR glass panel in my Piet
including an autopilot? (that ought to get some discussion.)
Radio ideas?
Funny stories?
trips?
Warnings?
Training?
Hangar organization? Hangar ideas?
FAA problems?
A discussion on the varieties of Piets, (Scout, Aircamper, Air Camper,
Ariel, side by side...)
Where should we send these articles?
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
Yes.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 15, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wr
ote:
>
> Hey guys, I enjoyed my BPA newsletter. I understand the need for articles.
What do we want in the newsletter?
>
> Painting?
> Sources for engines?
> Discussions on safety?
> New things you have tried?
> Instrument panel ideas? IE should I put a full IFR glass panel in my Piet i
ncluding an autopilot? (that ought to get some discussion.)
> Radio ideas?
> Funny stories?
> trips?
> Warnings?
> Training?
> Hangar organization? Hangar ideas?
> FAA problems?
> A discussion on the varieties of Piets, (Scout, Aircamper, Air Camper, Ari
el, side by side...)
>
> Where should we send these articles?
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
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Subject: | Re: welcome Semih |
I finally (re)started the fuselage construction. Since I have all the empennage
components finished, after the fuselage, I will be left with wing construction.
I have all the ribs finished, so it should be easy. 90% finished, 90% to go.
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Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
Yes.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 15, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wr
ote:
>
> Hey guys, I enjoyed my BPA newsletter. I understand the need for articles.
What do we want in the newsletter?
>
> Painting?
> Sources for engines?
> Discussions on safety?
> New things you have tried?
> Instrument panel ideas? IE should I put a full IFR glass panel in my Piet i
ncluding an autopilot? (that ought to get some discussion.)
> Radio ideas?
> Funny stories?
> trips?
> Warnings?
> Training?
> Hangar organization? Hangar ideas?
> FAA problems?
> A discussion on the varieties of Piets, (Scout, Aircamper, Air Camper, Ari
el, side by side...)
>
> Where should we send these articles?
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
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Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
All of the above ;-)
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey guys, I enjoyed my BPA newsletter. I understand the need for articles.
> What do we want in the newsletter?
>
> Painting?
> Sources for engines?
> Discussions on safety?
> New things you have tried?
> Instrument panel ideas? IE should I put a full IFR glass panel in my Piet
> including an autopilot? (that ought to get some discussion.)
> Radio ideas?
> Funny stories?
> trips?
> Warnings?
> Training?
> Hangar organization? Hangar ideas?
> FAA problems?
> A discussion on the varieties of Piets, (Scout, Aircamper, Air Camper,
> Ariel, side by side...)
>
> Where should we send these articles?
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
OK pick one and start writing.
I am fiddling with a Pietenpol accidents and safety article. Yes it is a
rehash/rewrite of our previous discussions, but it will be put together in
one article.
Blue Skies,
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Gerrit-Jan Kaal <gjhkaal@gmail.com> wrote:
> All of the above ;-)
>
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys, I enjoyed my BPA newsletter. I understand the need for
>> articles. What do we want in the newsletter?
>>
>> Painting?
>> Sources for engines?
>> Discussions on safety?
>> New things you have tried?
>> Instrument panel ideas? IE should I put a full IFR glass panel in my Piet
>> including an autopilot? (that ought to get some discussion.)
>> Radio ideas?
>> Funny stories?
>> trips?
>> Warnings?
>> Training?
>> Hangar organization? Hangar ideas?
>> FAA problems?
>> A discussion on the varieties of Piets, (Scout, Aircamper, Air Camper,
>> Ariel, side by side...)
>>
>> Where should we send these articles?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>> *
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>>
>> *
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>>
> *
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>
> *
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>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Heritage flyin Dayton |
Most of the flying I've done with Scout has been out of San Geronimo Airpark, which
is 3000'x40', paved, but I could easily operate off of half of it. In fact,
I most enjoyed operating off of the grass area to one side of the paved runway
and it was no more than half the length of the paved runway and had trees
and brush along the approach end. 2700' should be no problem at all.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
Send any articles to bpa@pietenpols.org <mailto:bpa@pietenpols.org>
Best,
-john-
> On Aug 15, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Steven Dortch
<steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey guys, I enjoyed my BPA newsletter. I understand the need for
articles. What do we want in the newsletter?
>
> Painting?
> Sources for engines?
> Discussions on safety?
> New things you have tried?
> Instrument panel ideas? IE should I put a full IFR glass panel in my
Piet including an autopilot? (that ought to get some discussion.)
> Radio ideas?
> Funny stories?
> trips?
> Warnings?
> Training?
> Hangar organization? Hangar ideas?
> FAA problems?
> A discussion on the varieties of Piets, (Scout, Aircamper, Air Camper,
Ariel, side by side...)
>
> Where should we send these articles?
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>
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Subject: | Re: Heritage flyin Dayton |
Oscar, Scott, Gary, etc,
I will get in contact with Cliff Johnsen and see if his offer is still open. Would
be fun to fly there, maybe for all the Piets in Ca and Or? I will try to go
see Cliff this fall, when almond harvest over.
Maybe this fall, or in the Spring for a gathering?
Ray Krause
PS: I think he said he had the engine overhauled on Bill's plane and some other
work
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 15, 2015, at 5:20 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Most of the flying I've done with Scout has been out of San Geronimo Airpark,
which is 3000'x40', paved, but I could easily operate off of half of it. In
fact, I most enjoyed operating off of the grass area to one side of the paved
runway and it was no more than half the length of the paved runway and had trees
and brush along the approach end. 2700' should be no problem at all.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446008#446008
>
>
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Subject: | Re: rib stitching |
Steve, Douwe, Gary,
I'm listening to the Prairie Home Companion as I write this! Sounds like a g
ood idea. Douwe also had some good suggestions. I will follow them all and s
tart stitching in a few days. Gary promised I could get one wing done in 8 h
ours! The stop watch will be running!
I finished covering the top of the wing today. Will shrink it tomorrow and s
tart installing the re-Inforcing tapes. But my wife says we have to go to a p
erformance tomorrow afternoon, damn!
Thanks guys,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 15, 2015, at 7:30 AM, Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com> wro
te:
>
> My grandson had the great idea of sending the needle back through backward
s rather than trying to hit the hole with a curved tip. The curved tip is on
ly for when you are going to the next set of holes.
>
> Try it. it seems backwards but it is faster.
>
> I found stitching to be like Zen Yoga (I guess). Set it up in a place that
is comfortable. I did it under a nice shade tree. Put on some good music o
r Prairie home companion and have coffee or cokes available and just relax a
nd stitch.
>
> Kind of like cleaning my guns. It can be soothing and calming. (the voices
tell me to make sure my guns are clean!)
>
> Oh yeah, If the Prairie home companion pretty good joke show is on, don't t
ry to stitch. You won't get anything done from laughing so much.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
>
>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Douwe Blumberg <douwe@douwestudios.com> w
rote:
>> I can=99t way I enjoyed rib stitching but I will say once I got set
up and had a system, it wasn=99t bad at all. You can hit it hard and
get it done in a couple of days if you=99re wired that way.
>>
>>
>>
>> I layed the wing nose down, marked all the holes and burned tiny holes at
each spot. Then made up some long straight =9Cneedles=9D from w
elding rod (or buy them), got the lights nice and bright, turned on some mus
ic and stationed a friend on the other side. Then we just passed the needle
back and forth to eachother. By looking through the premade holes, you can
see into the wing to the needle to the correct opposite hole quite easily.
Goes really quickly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Heritage flyin Dayton |
I've stitched all the control surfaces, so I know how enjoyable it is! Guess I
will just suffer through it.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 15, 2015, at 5:33 AM, Andre B. Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> We wouldn't want to deprive you of the fun. It really is enjoyable
> Ben
>
> Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
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>> Got any extra time? Stitching is fun!
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>>
>>> "Stitching is fun...stitching is fun....stitching is fun..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gary and Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I got the fabric on the bottom of the left wing, it's all taught,
ready to turn it over and do the top side, then stitching...ugh!
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 7:26 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Beautiful, Ray!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe all those nice, green grass strips has something to do with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Starting on covering the wings. The workshop gave birth to the fuselage
last Monday. Making progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray Krause
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:03 PM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Douwe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How was the fly-in? I'll bet it was great. You guys in the east seem
to have more grass roots fly-ins than we do on the west coast. I sure wish I
could attend those. It's just not close enough for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------
>>>>>>> Scott Liefeld
>>>>>>> Flying N11MS since March 1972
>>>>>>> Steel Tube
>>>>>>> C-85-12
>>>>>>> Wire Wheels
>>>>>>> Brodhead in 1996
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445901#445901
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