---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/20/15: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:30 AM - Re: Dick's Rotec Piet for sale (tools) 2. 08:21 AM - Patricia's Pietenpol (pjb) 3. 08:24 AM - Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (pjb) 4. 08:38 AM - Re: Dick's Rotec Piet for sale (MPB) 5. 09:42 AM - Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (Gerrit-Jan Kaal) 6. 09:45 AM - Progress (oldbird) 7. 11:10 AM - Re: Progress (bdewenter) 8. 12:19 PM - Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (AircamperN11MS) 9. 01:53 PM - Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (Dan Yocum) 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (AircamperN11MS) 11. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (Gary Boothe) 12. 03:01 PM - Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (Jeff Boatright) 13. 04:49 PM - Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (aerocarjake) 14. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (Dan Yocum) 15. 08:30 PM - Re: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (Ray Krause) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dick's Rotec Piet for sale From: "tools" I agree with jeff. From what I can gather talking to Dick and dicks friends that was his opinion as well. That being said, it is priced accordingly... Also on barnstormers is dicks volmer and scout projects, I think also priced appropriately. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446184#446184 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Patricia's Pietenpol From: "pjb" Hello Everyone, Here are a couple of photo's of my Piet. It's almost ready for final inspection :D Cheers, Patricia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446187#446187 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1181_998.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1177_778.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol From: "pjb" Another photo. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446188#446188 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1179_168.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dick's Rotec Piet for sale From: "MPB" Definitely worth the price for one of the most recognizable Piets out there... might we a little out of my league as far wrenching on a unique motor goes though. Thanks for the feedback. Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446191#446191 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patricia's Pietenpol From: Gerrit-Jan Kaal Very nice... On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 5:20 PM, pjb wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > Here are a couple of photo's of my Piet. > It's almost ready for final inspection :D > > Cheers, > Patricia > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446187#446187 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1181_998.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1177_778.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress From: "oldbird" I (re)started the fuselage. Today, it started to look like a fuselage. I hope within a few days, it will look better. Yes, it is wide. Inside width is 600mm (about 24 inches). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446196#446196 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2751_medium_523.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2733_medium_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2723_medium_155.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress From: "bdewenter" OldBird, Looking nice, but I do not see the inner gussets - these need to be in place before adding your cross members. Bob -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446199#446199 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol From: "AircamperN11MS" Patricia, You share the same name as my wife. It looks very nice. It appears to be a one piece wing. Who made the prop? I like the shape of it. What size Cont. engine are you using? Yes, we all like to know the details. Good luck with the inspection, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446203#446203 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:22 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patricia's Pietenpol Your rib stitching looks a bit spartan on the rudder. AC43.13 is pretty specific on stitch spacing. See page 2-57, here: http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC43.13-1b.pdf In the slipstream they should be spaced no greater than 2.5" apart (or 6.35cm for you folks in countries with real measurement systems.) On 08/20/2015 10:20 AM, pjb wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > Here are a couple of photo's of my Piet. > It's almost ready for final inspection :D > > Cheers, > Patricia > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446187#446187 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1181_998.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1177_778.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol From: "AircamperN11MS" Yocum, Her Spacing is fine. The slip stream they are referring to is for the wings. The paragraph I placed here is directly from the page you referred and directly below the graph. It is noted for the EMPENNAGE. There are other publications that have the spacing as well. I used the spacing that the POLY FIBER manual indicated and it very much reflects what Patricia has done. What ever is written in the covering system manual (this can vary from the different processes available) is what should apply to surfaces that are being covered with that system. "When the lace spacing on the empennage surfaces and fuselage, where so incorporated by the original aircraft manufacturer, cannot be determined, a maximum spacing equal to two times the spacing shown in figure 2-12 for the slipstream area on the wings may be used". You need to read the complete description and not just look at the graph and pictures. I am not trying to cause friction but only trying to point you the proper direction. Respectfully, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446211#446211 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:36 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol I had brought that question up with Dan, in a private email, as that distinction had eluded me. I will say, though, and I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have felt my rudder vibrate over 90 mph. unfortunately, my poor old neck won't let me turn that far to see what's going on. At this point, I'm glad to have the closer spacing. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol --> Yocum, Her Spacing is fine. The slip stream they are referring to is for the wings. The paragraph I placed here is directly from the page you referred and directly below the graph. It is noted for the EMPENNAGE. There are other publications that have the spacing as well. I used the spacing that the POLY FIBER manual indicated and it very much reflects what Patricia has done. What ever is written in the covering system manual (this can vary from the different processes available) is what should apply to surfaces that are being covered with that system. "When the lace spacing on the empennage surfaces and fuselage, where so incorporated by the original aircraft manufacturer, cannot be determined, a maximum spacing equal to two times the spacing shown in figure 2-12 for the slipstream area on the wings may be used". You need to read the complete description and not just look at the graph and pictures. I am not trying to cause friction but only trying to point you the proper direction. Respectfully, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446211#446211 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol From: "Jeff Boatright" My tail shakes at 90 mph, but not my rudder... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446214#446214 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol From: "aerocarjake" Really nice..... gotta love red airplanes! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446216#446216 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol From: Dan Yocum Ah! You are right! That really would have been a wet towel to have to tear down the rudder to re-stitch. Probably would have added a couple grand to the total cost of the plane... -- yocum137@gmail.com > On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:25 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > Yocum, > > Her Spacing is fine. The slip stream they are referring to is for the wings. The paragraph I placed here is directly from the page you referred and directly below the graph. It is noted for the EMPENNAGE. There are other publications that have the spacing as well. I used the spacing that the POLY FIBER manual indicated and it very much reflects what Patricia has done. > > What ever is written in the covering system manual (this can vary from the different processes available) is what should apply to surfaces that are being covered with that system. > > "When the lace spacing on the empennage surfaces > and fuselage, where so incorporated by the original > aircraft manufacturer, cannot be determined, a > maximum spacing equal to two times the spacing shown > in figure 2-12 for the slipstream area on the wings may > be used". > > You need to read the complete description and not just look at the graph and pictures. > > I am not trying to cause friction but only trying to point you the proper direction. > > Respectfully, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446211#446211 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:46 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol Gary, The camera! It's better than your old neck! Thanks for the directives on stitching. I'm working alone so far and it's going OK. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > I had brought that question up with Dan, in a private email, as that > distinction had eluded me. I will say, though, and I'm not sure if anyone > else has noticed, but I have felt my rudder vibrate over 90 mph. > unfortunately, my poor old neck won't let me turn that far to see what's > going on. At this point, I'm glad to have the closer spacing. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > AircamperN11MS > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:26 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol > > --> > > Yocum, > > Her Spacing is fine. The slip stream they are referring to is for the > wings. The paragraph I placed here is directly from the page you referred > and directly below the graph. It is noted for the EMPENNAGE. There are > other publications that have the spacing as well. I used the spacing that > the POLY FIBER manual indicated and it very much reflects what Patricia has > done. > > What ever is written in the covering system manual (this can vary from the > different processes available) is what should apply to surfaces that are > being covered with that system. > > "When the lace spacing on the empennage surfaces and fuselage, where so > incorporated by the original aircraft manufacturer, cannot be determined, a > maximum spacing equal to two times the spacing shown in figure 2-12 for the > slipstream area on the wings may be used". > > You need to read the complete description and not just look at the graph and > pictures. > > I am not trying to cause friction but only trying to point you the proper > direction. > > Respectfully, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446211#446211 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.