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1. 12:58 AM - Noise from Japan (M W Stanley)
2. 03:42 AM - Re: Balloon tires? (Pietflyer1977)
3. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Balloon tires? (Boatright, Jeffrey)
4. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: A65 taper shaft (Jack Philips)
5. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (Scott Knowlton)
6. 05:54 AM - Re: Noise from Japan (AircamperN11MS)
7. 07:04 AM - Re: Progress (bdewenter)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: Noise from Japan (M W Stanley)
9. 07:46 AM - Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (pjb)
10. 07:48 AM - Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (pjb)
11. 07:54 AM - Re: Noise from Japan (AircamperN11MS)
12. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (Steven Dortch)
13. 09:30 AM - Re: Balloon tires? (Pietflyer1977)
14. 11:03 AM - Any Piets living in Southern Ontario? (BritishJim)
15. 11:10 AM - Re: Any Piets living in Southern Ontario? (Scott Knowlton)
16. 11:10 AM - Balloon Tires-Nanco N800 21x12.00-8. (Matt Naiva)
17. 11:12 AM - Re: Any Piets living in Southern Ontario? (Robert Gow)
18. 11:24 AM - Re: Any Piets living in Southern Ontario? (BritishJim)
19. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: Any Piets living in Southern Ontario? (Scott Knowlton)
20. 04:32 PM - Fuel tank progress/welding..... (aerocarjake)
21. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol (Ben Charvet)
22. 06:48 PM - Tools (Mike Salerno)
23. 08:24 PM - Re: Tools (tools)
24. 08:52 PM - Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... (Steven Dortch)
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Subject: | Noise from Japan |
Hi Pieter's,
It's been a while since I have posted anything on the list.
My main computer crashed and it took ages to get it running again. I
checked the email account and there were around 700 emails
waiting...mostly junk.
However, amongst them all, I a found a mail from Jim Markle that he sent
in January of this year. I have just sent a mail back to him a day or
two ago apologizing for taking so long to get back to him...a 6 1/2
month later response time is a bit too long I think!
Anyway, things are quiet on the Pietenpol front over here in Japan land.
Both my friends Piet and mine have been dormant for quite while.
Things are crazy busy at the moment and have been that way for a fair
while but, I still fly my little r/c Piet to keep my sanity. That little
model is now almost 14 years old.....and still going strong! Long live
the Piet!
Presently I am trying to learn gas welding in the hopes of being able to
make up the metal fittings etc for my project.......I am a slow learner
so even that may take a while!
Well, just wanted to say g'day to everyone on the list and hopefully I
can get on with the project sooner rather than later!
Cheers to everybody!
Mark Stanley
Japan
Ribs done, fin/rudder done + a pile of sticks
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Subject: | Re: Balloon tires? |
Those are the ones I am using. Almost the exact dimentions as on the plans and
I like them because they are smooth. I think they will give it the right look.
Rob
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Subject: | Re: Balloon tires? |
Hi Rob,
Neat! That looks just right. What wheels and brakes are you using and did you purchase
all if it from Spruce?
Thanks,
Jeff
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
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Subject: | Re: A65 taper shaft |
The only problem with the tapered shaft hub (and I've owned 3 of them) is
that the hub is a separate part to be purchased. If you can find a NOS
(New, old stock) hub they go for somewhere around $600. The hubs are prone
to cracking and if you find an old one to buy, you should have it
magnafluxed to ensure that it is not cracked.
The nice thing about the tapered shaft is that the propeller can be removed
very easily and quickly from the engine. The hub is simply unscrewed from
the shaft and prop and hub are removed as an assembly from the engine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Steve;
I have had both a taper shaft hub (A65) and a flanged hub (A75) on NX41CC
and have had props for both. On the taper shaft hub, there is a shaft that
comes forward through the prop and that shaft secures to the prop by a
flange that is bolted to the face of the prop. On the flanged shaft, the
flange on the nose of the crank does not have an extension through the nose
of the prop. It has drive lugs that engage counterbored holes in the aft
face of the prop and the prop bolts pass through the crush plate and prop
into the threaded drive lugs. I don't know what your buddy is concerned
about, because people who have or want older airplanes with these engines
are very aware of the differences between the hubs and how to fit props to
them. I have never heard anyone mention anything like, "that's a taper
shaft hub, I'm going to pass on it because I can't find a prop to fit it".
The prop makers will bore and counter-bore your prop as needed to fit either
one.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Patricia's Pietenpol |
Yup, roughly 12" is called out for in the plans. Several flying examples in
my area went to 16" with good results. Doing the W&B is kind of a chicken a
nd egg thing when building. I try my best to follow the practices of success
fully flying aircraft. My jig is currently set to 16" but I haven't fabrica
ted the mount yet. I'm also using a C-85 (slightly heavier) and am contempl
ating a simple light weight starter/generator so I still have more weight th
at can be added to the fwd CG end. Battery could go anywhere in the end....
. It's all about keeping the tail light and your options open....
But since I still have a skeleton of an airplane I guess it is best no one f
ollow in my footsteps!
Scott K
Burlington. Ontario
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took of my engine mount and everything else, and I'll check it out but I re
call that it is pretty close to stock. For now, I can tell you by looking a
t the roll of plans right next to me that the Pietenpol family plans for the
Continental mount (at the top) call for 11-3/16" from face of engine mount s
pool to the center of the bolt that attaches the engine mount to the mount f
itting at the firewall, and 10-5/8" at the bottom, for a bit of downthrust.
Less than 12" from rear of engine to firewall, I'd say, so Patricia's is a g
ood bit extended from stock. This can help with tail-heavy.
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Subject: | Re: Noise from Japan |
Hello Mark,
Glad to see you back. I thought that you were so busy building that you may have
not had time for the list. I figured you were about ready for your first flight
about now. :) Oh well, different kind of busy for you. Glad to see you're
back. Now go out and glue some of those sticks together.
Welcome back. Cheers,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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OldBird,
Very nice actually. I think the extra work and "girdring" around the cross member
will add some extra strength in shear. Oh lord am I using advanced terms
now? I said shear...
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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Subject: | Re: Noise from Japan |
Hi Scott,
Thanks for the welcome back, I appreciate it.
Yes, the Japanese version of 'busy' is rather different to the average
Australian's (that's me) version of 'busy'.
I'm going to have to make some time to get on with it before I get too much
older, haha, I still want to have time to enjoy flying it once it is done!
I had a look at your Piet on the web, nice looking aircraft. Just wondering
what are the wheels you have on it? They look fairly solid.
Thanks again,
Cheers
Mark
Japan
Ribs, Fin/Rudder, Pile of sticks
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Subject: | Re: Patricia's Pietenpol |
Yes, that's true but make sure that it doesn't end up being nose heavy
instead...or nose heavv or tail heavy under some loading conditions.
For example, my piet CG is 18.4" aft of datum [LE] when loaded to the max with
220 LB pilot,
150 LB passenger, full fuel in nose tank 12gal, 10 LB baggage
...this is excellent and well within allowable range.
However, when loaded with just me, 110 LB, no passenger and full fuel in nose tank,
the CG is 13.9" aft of datum which is well forward of the most forward,
allowable CG of 15"
So, something will have to be done to rectify this - since I will mostly be flying
solo with no passenger !
According to the calculations, removing the nose tank and putting a tank
in the wing will bring the CG into allowable range. This is being done
right now !!
Anyone want to buy a Cub nose tank ?
Cheers,
Patricia
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Subject: | Re: Patricia's Pietenpol |
Yes, that's true but make sure that it doesn't end up being nose heavy
instead...or nose heavv or tail heavy under some loading conditions.
For example, my piet CG is 18.4" aft of datum [LE] when loaded to the max with
220 LB pilot,
150 LB passenger, full fuel in nose tank 12gal, 10 LB baggage
...this is excellent and well within allowable range.
However, when loaded with just me, 110 LB, no passenger and full fuel in nose tank,
the CG is 13.9" aft of datum which is well forward of the most forward,
allowable CG of 15"
So, something will have to be done to rectify this - since I will mostly be flying
solo with no passenger !
According to the calculations, removing the nose tank and putting a tank
in the wing will bring the CG into allowable range. This is being done
right now !!
Anyone want to buy a Cub nose tank ?
Cheers,
Patricia
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Subject: | Re: Noise from Japan |
Mark,
My wheels are from the early 1920's. They were made by Hayes Company for airplanes.
There were three different sizes available. I believe mine are the smallest
of the three. There are three rows of spokes on the rim side. The outside
rows are for side-loads. The spokes are all parallel and do not cross each
other. Therefore there are no brakes. The hub would just come out if torsional
loads were applied during any braking action applied to the hubs. Planes
had tail skids back then. I have found that by keeping my tires at a very low
air pressure, the planes stops in a reasonable distance. If I have too much
air then the darn thing just keeps rolling and rolling.
Yes they hold up very well. I do not baby them. I spend a lot of time flying
off the desert where there are no runways.
Maybe more than you wanted to know?
Cheers,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: Patricia's Pietenpol |
Patricia, Just for reference. Some Bonanza Pilots carry empty plastic milk
jugs. With two pilots in the front seats, None in the back and nothing in
the baggage compartment, we are forward of the CG limits. One or two milk
jugs filled with water in the Baggage compartment brings us into CG.
Note. Forward of CG and the plane gets so sluggish you may not be able to
flare for landing. Aft of CG and the plane gets so twitchy that you may
over control and stall the plane. A lot of pilots get it backwards thinking
it involves the main wing. It has to do with how close the Center of weight
is to the elevators. (You did not ask, nor do I think you don't know this,
but it is a favorite subject of mine.)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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> Yes, that's true but make sure that it doesn't end up being nose heavy
> instead...or nose heavv or tail heavy under some loading conditions.
> For example, my piet CG is 18.4" aft of datum [LE] when loaded to the max
> with 220 LB pilot,
> 150 LB passenger, full fuel in nose tank 12gal, 10 LB baggage
> ...this is excellent and well within allowable range.
> However, when loaded with just me, 110 LB, no passenger and full fuel in
> nose tank,
> the CG is 13.9" aft of datum which is well forward of the most forward,
> allowable CG of 15"
> So, something will have to be done to rectify this - since I will mostly
> be flying solo with no passenger !
> According to the calculations, removing the nose tank and putting a tank
> in the wing will bring the CG into allowable range. This is being done
> right now !!
> Anyone want to buy a Cub nose tank ?
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> Cheers,
> Patricia
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Balloon tires? |
Hi Jeff,
I bought the home built Grove 6.00x6 magnesium wheel and disc brake kit from aircraft
spruce and bought the tires and tubes direct from Desser Tire. I think
aired up they were inch taller than on the plans 20" vs 19" if I remember correctly.
I am working on building my landing gear so not sure on the stance when
on yet but in my opinion they are just right for the look I want. Not too big
and not too small. All my measurements are to the plans with steel gear and Model
A engine.
Rob
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Subject: | Any Piets living in Southern Ontario? |
Greetings all!
I'm in London, Ontario for the next couple of weeks and wondering if anyone knows
of any Piets in the area, or has contact information for owners?
My full-time base is Nova Scotia where there is virtually no intelligent life,
let alone a Piet owner. I figured, now that I'm in the civilized world for a few
weeks, it might be good to try and hunt one down.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jim.
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Subject: | Re: Any Piets living in Southern Ontario? |
Burlington is a 1.5 hour drive from London. I have a fuselage built on the gear
with the tail group rigged, I can also introduce you to a great guy who built
a Piet and still flies it 27 years later.
Contact me off list.
Scott Knowlton.
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let alone a Piet owner. I figured, now that I'm in the civilized world for a
few weeks, it might be good to try and hunt one down.
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Subject: | Balloon Tires-Nanco N800 21x12.00-8. |
*JeffTake a look at what the Zenith guys are using on the 701 with 8"
matcos.http://www.zenith.aero/profiles/blogs/testing-larger-bushwheel-tires
<http://www.zenith.aero/profiles/blogs/testing-larger-bushwheel-tires>Nanco
N800 21x12.00-8. run about $32 each in 2015http://is.gd/zDC8gz
<http://is.gd/zDC8gz>Regards,Matt----------------Hi Rob, Neat! That looks
just right. What wheels and brakes are you using and did you purchase all
if it from Spruce? Thanks, Jeff Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Professor
of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Sent from an iPad with
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Subject: | Any Piets living in Southern Ontario? |
There are a couple in the Midland area but that is a longer drive
Robert Gow,
President and DAO Manager.
Avionics Design Services Ltd.
Phn 705-527-6095
Cell 416-434-3393
Fax 705-527-6028
www.avionicsdesign.ca <http://www.avionicsdesign.ca/>
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: August-24-15 2:10 PM
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Burlington is a 1.5 hour drive from London. I have a fuselage built on the
gear with the tail group rigged, I can also introduce you to a great guy
who built a Piet and still flies it 27 years later.
Contact me off list.
Scott Knowlton.
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> Greetings all!
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> I'm in London, Ontario for the next couple of weeks and wondering if
anyone knows of any Piets in the area, or has contact information for
owners?
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> My full-time base is Nova Scotia where there is virtually no intelligent
life, let alone a Piet owner. I figured, now that I'm in the civilized
world for a few weeks, it might be good to try and hunt one down.
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Subject: | Re: Any Piets living in Southern Ontario? |
Robert & Scott....thank you for such prompt replies!
Scott - are you @hotmail.com or @hotmail.ca? It is cut off on your username and
I don't want to email some random Joe who will think I'm obsessed with an actual
man called "Pete".
Thanks,
Jim.
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Subject: | Re: Any Piets living in Southern Ontario? |
Flyingscott_k@hotmail.com
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I don't want to email some random Joe who will think I'm obsessed with an actual
man called "Pete".
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Subject: | Fuel tank progress/welding..... |
Hello good Piet-ple,
A quick post to share the initial welding of my fuel tank. It is wider than plans
so I only need the single fuel tank in the center-section.
As usual, Mike from Ready Weld makes the welding look easy.
Next step is to fabricate the top skin, fit the filler necks, weld on the sumps/fittings,
and then finish welding the tank.
Jake
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: Patricia's Pietenpol |
It wouldn't take much weight in the tail (of the airplane of course) to
bring you in range...Yours is a pretty unique situation!
Ben
On 8/24/2015 10:46 AM, pjb wrote:
>
> Yes, that's true but make sure that it doesn't end up being nose heavy
> instead...or nose heavv or tail heavy under some loading conditions.
> For example, my piet CG is 18.4" aft of datum [LE] when loaded to the max with
220 LB pilot,
> 150 LB passenger, full fuel in nose tank 12gal, 10 LB baggage
> ...this is excellent and well within allowable range.
> However, when loaded with just me, 110 LB, no passenger and full fuel in nose
tank,
> the CG is 13.9" aft of datum which is well forward of the most forward,
> allowable CG of 15"
> So, something will have to be done to rectify this - since I will mostly be flying
solo with no passenger !
> According to the calculations, removing the nose tank and putting a tank
> in the wing will bring the CG into allowable range. This is being done
> right now !!
> Anyone want to buy a Cub nose tank ?
>
> Cheers,
> Patricia
>
> .....................
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446342#446342
>
>
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Dear Pieters:
I have just started volunteering at the local flying museum and under the tutelage
of an A&P, they've allowed me to start turning wrenches. Hopefully, this gets
me a little closer to building a Piet. I have been building my tool collection
a little each week for the tasks they have me do, but wonder what tools should
I be starting to get to build a Pietenpol?
Sincerely,
Michael Salerno
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Sort of out of the norm for most aircraft mechs, decent woodworking tools. Personally,
the most valuable wood machine to me is a bandsaw. I'd get a simple
14 inch woodcutter. All of the imports are knockoffs of the venerable delta/Milwaukee/Rockwell
saw.
A good used one should cost no more than a hundred bucks. Useful for everything.
For another hundred or two, get one with a transmission to slow it down for
metal cutting. This makes making all the metal fittings much easier.
Next on the list is a nice little stationary belt/disc sander combo.
Tools
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Subject: | Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... |
How big is it? Looks purdy!
Steve D
On Aug 24, 2015 6:34 PM, "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> Hello good Piet-ple,
>
> A quick post to share the initial welding of my fuel tank. It is wider
> than plans so I only need the single fuel tank in the center-section.
>
> As usual, Mike from Ready Weld makes the welding look easy.
>
> Next step is to fabricate the top skin, fit the filler necks, weld on the
> sumps/fittings, and then finish welding the tank.
>
> Jake
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446364#446364
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/welding_tank_300.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tank_in_the_center_section_124.jpg
>
>
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