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1. 01:36 AM - Re: OT? Vortex generators (jarheadpilot82)
2. 06:12 AM - Re: Flat spring gear (Yahoo! Account Service)
3. 07:46 AM - Re: Flat spring gear (Bill Church)
4. 07:59 AM - Re: TC Pietenpol Progress (oldbird)
5. 08:00 AM - Re: TC Pietenpol Progress (oldbird)
6. 08:26 AM - Re: OT? Vortex generators (Jeff Boatright)
7. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Flat spring gear (Steven Dortch)
8. 12:36 PM - Re: Flat spring gear (Andy Garrett)
9. 02:01 PM - Re: Flat spring gear (echobravo4)
10. 02:04 PM - Re: Flat spring gear (Bill Church)
11. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: OT? Vortex generators (Steven Dortch)
12. 03:55 PM - Re: Flat spring gear (Andy Garrett)
13. 04:37 PM - VG's and shark's teeth (Douwe Blumberg)
14. 04:38 PM - pre-cover inspection (Douwe Blumberg)
15. 06:06 PM - Re: pre-cover inspection (Scott Knowlton)
16. 06:20 PM - Re: pre-cover inspection (Bill Church)
17. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: OT? Vortex generators (goffelectric@comcast.net)
18. 06:56 PM - Re: pre-cover inspection (Dan Yocum)
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| Subject: | Re: OT? Vortex generators |
Steve,
P.F. Beck has VG's. Do a search in the archives for his name and the info he wrote
where he and Don Harper compared the Pietenpol airfoil with the Riblett airfoil.
You may find some info there.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Flat spring gear |
Andy, One problem with the flat spring gear on a wood fuze Piet would be spreading
the l/g load to the bottom of the fuze. Both Piet gears do this by terminating
the l/g legs at the lower longeron where uprights are. This is why Grega
had to make an extra bay in his fuze side, as the cub gear terminates 6 or 8 inches
forward of Piets location. You would have to do some beefing up to get the
l/g load spread over a large enough area.
It would be a lot easier with a steel tube Piet.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Garrett <andy_garrett@live.com>
>Sent: Aug 29, 2015 6:18 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flat spring gear
>
>
>So I was surprised to not find a single image of a Piet of flat spring gear anywhere
on the web.
>
>I figured surely someone had re purposed an old set of Cessna 140 legs on one
before. Seems simple enough, anyway.
>
>Not sure how it would look...
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>Andy Garrett
>'General Purpose Creative Dude'
>Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: Flat spring gear |
As with almost every "new idea" regarding the Pietenpol, it has been done before.
Attached are a few photos of Pietenpols (or reasonable facsimiles) with flat
spring gear. Like Skip said, serious reinforcement of the fuselage would be
required.
Personally, I do not care for the look.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: TC Pietenpol Progress |
On Saturday, we finished fitting of the tail post and epoxied it.
Today we cut the parts for the rear fuselage cross members. They will be epoxied
this evening. The the diagonals and ply reinforcements. Hoping to remove fuselage
from the bench this week to work on the details.
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| Subject: | Re: TC Pietenpol Progress |
On Saturday, we finished fitting of the tail post and epoxied it.
Today we cut the parts for the rear fuselage cross members. They will be epoxied
this evening. The the diagonals and ply reinforcements. Hoping to remove fuselage
from the bench this week to work on the details.
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| Subject: | Re: OT? Vortex generators |
I have VGs on my wing, but not on the prop. My wing leading edge is sheet aluminum.
When the fabric was shrunk, the aluminum was pulled in, like a dent, across
rib bays. This produced a sharper airfoil nose, though non-uniformly, across
the leading edge. Prior to adding the VGs, the stall was sharp with an unpredictable
wing drop. With VGs, stall was at lower airspeed, gentler if it happened
at all, and with not much wing drop.
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| Subject: | Re: Flat spring gear |
Clean, sturdy ,and simple, probably faster, but faster is not the goal
with a Piet. Looks "grasshopperey" to me.
Blue skies
Steve D
On Aug 30, 2015 9:49 AM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> As with almost every "new idea" regarding the Pietenpol, it has been done
> before. Attached are a few photos of Pietenpols (or reasonable facsimiles)
> with flat spring gear. Like Skip said, serious reinforcement of the
> fuselage would be required.
> Personally, I do not care for the look.
>
> Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Flat spring gear |
Great responses! Thanks for the pics Bill. Now I can get my head around 'the look'.
Still undecided, but it sure looks easy, doesn't it?
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: Flat spring gear |
Hard to tell if it would be easy without seeing the surrounding structure-
There will have to be a lot of reinforcement in that area
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Flat spring gear |
Andy,
Not so sure about how "easy" it would be to incorporate flat spring gear on a Pietenpol.
As mentioned before, some serious reinforcing would need to be added
to the fuselage (designed by someone that understands strengths of materials,
and the loads that will potentially be transferred with such a design.) I'm
pretty sure that the extra work would amount to a lot more work than would be
required to just build one of the two versions shown in the plans (gear that
was designed for the plane, not vice-versa.)
Then again, when you said it looks "easy", maybe you meant ugly. :)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: OT? Vortex generators |
I have not heard of putting VGs on props. But I have seen dimple tape.
Did the VGs slow your cruise speed?
For Bonanzas and barons some report 5 to 10 kt slower cruise 180 kts to
170-175. They also report very improved control at slow speed and a much
gentler stall.
Blue skies
Steve D
Sounds like they work as advertised
On Aug 30, 2015 10:27 AM, "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright@emory.edu> wrote:
> jeffboatright@emory.edu>
>
> I have VGs on my wing, but not on the prop. My wing leading edge is sheet
> aluminum. When the fabric was shrunk, the aluminum was pulled in, like a
> dent, across rib bays. This produced a sharper airfoil nose, though
> non-uniformly, across the leading edge. Prior to adding the VGs, the stall
> was sharp with an unpredictable wing drop. With VGs, stall was at lower
> airspeed, gentler if it happened at all, and with not much wing drop.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446561#446561
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| Subject: | Re: Flat spring gear |
I'm sure you guys are correct.
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | VG's and shark's teeth |
P.F. Beck installed VG's on his and noted slight improvements, but probably
not enough to make it worth the effort. I have a set but after talking with
him decided I'm fine without.
"shark's teeth" is probably doing a similar job to "vortelators", basically
decreasing the size of the wake, hence requiring less force to move the
wing/propeller through the air, thus allowing a wind turbine to move in less
wind, or an engine to use less power to spin a prop at the same speed as
without. That's the theory. I installed vortelator tape on my prop and saw
about a 20rpm static increase, so I left it on. Every little bit helps.
Douwe
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| Subject: | pre-cover inspection |
FYI,
Unless things have changed back to the old days, I don't believe a
"pre-cover" inspection is a requirement anymore. Hasn't been for quite some
time.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: pre-cover inspection |
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| Subject: | Re: pre-cover inspection |
Douwe,
I assume you're referring to my comment in another thread a couple of days ago.
I was referring to the requirements to license a plane in Canada. Pre-cover
inspection is mandatory in Canada, but not in the USA.
Mandatory or not, I think it's a very good idea to have another knowledgeable person
give the whole aircraft a good once-over before covering with fabric.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: OT? Vortex generators |
I Think Don Harper just put them on his. He may let us know how they do aft
er he does a little flight testing.
Keith Goff
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 4:36:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OT? Vortex generators
ail.com>
Steve,
P.F. Beck has VG's. Do a search in the archives for his name and the info h
e wrote where he and Don Harper compared the Pietenpol airfoil with the Rib
lett airfoil. You may find some info there.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: pre-cover inspection |
Hey Douwe,
Why start a new email thread for a conversation that's already ongoing? Jus
t hit the 'reply' or 'postreply' button.
Dan
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> On Aug 30, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Douwe Blumberg <douwe@douwestudios.com> wrote
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> FYI,
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> Douwe
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