---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/05/15: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:27 AM - Re: Ford Engine weights (FritzW) 2. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: Ford Engine weights (Steven Dortch) 3. 12:00 PM - What's up Doc? (Donald A Mosher) 4. 01:31 PM - Re: Ford Engine weights (FritzW) 5. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: Ford Engine weights (Steven Dortch) 6. 05:25 PM - Lamberts for a Piet (FritzW) 7. 05:50 PM - OT Pancho Barnes movie (Steven Dortch) 8. 06:00 PM - Re: OT Pancho Barnes movie (jim hyde) 9. 07:43 PM - Re: Lamberts for a Piet (AircamperN11MS) 10. 08:04 PM - Re: What's up Doc? (AircamperN11MS) 11. 08:19 PM - Re: Lamberts for a Piet (FritzW) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Engine weights From: "FritzW" My plans showed up last night! (Aircamper with supplement and 3 pice wing and the Sky Scout plans). Hopefully we can weigh the Lambert and the Warner today to see where were at. Like Scott mentioned I fly out of a pretty high altitude field that gets very hot in the summer, 9,000' density altitude is pretty common. So keeping it light is important. ...and before I get a bunch of flack for committing the heresy of looking for opportunities to shed a few pounds on my high DA Pietenpol. I'm not a complete neophyte. If I build this airplane, It'll be my 6th homebuilt (two in the hangar, one just on the gear, one one the building table and one still on the drawing board) -------- Isous Christos, Theou Yios, Str Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446823#446823 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:24 AM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Engine weights Fritz, Have you thought about fabrics? My plane was covered before I bought it. . but on every patch, and when I recovered the horizontal Stab, after some repairs. , I used a Dacron fabric that is "uncertified" and is 1.8oz. Not much weight savings, but every gram counts. I would look at Oratex precolored fabrics. Light and you save on painting. Regarding altitude compensation. I remember at least one builder added a couple of feet to his wings. Nothing radical, but I think a foot or so on each wing. Also, I was almost executed for saying this on another list, but I don't learn. What about a nitrous Oxide system to compensate for density altitude? Not enough to blow a jug, but enough to make the engine think it is at sea level. Ducking and running. Steve D On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, FritzW wrote: > > My plans showed up last night! (Aircamper with supplement and 3 pice wing > and the Sky Scout plans). Hopefully we can weigh the Lambert and the Warn er > today to see where were at. > > Like Scott mentioned I fly out of a pretty high altitude field that gets > very hot in the summer, 9,000' density altitude is pretty common. So > keeping it light is important. > > ...and before I get a bunch of flack for committing the heresy of looking > for opportunities to shed a few pounds on my high DA Pietenpol. I'm not a > complete neophyte. If I build this airplane, It'll be my 6th homebuilt (t wo > in the hangar, one just on the gear, one one the building table and one > still on the drawing board) > > -------- > I=C4=93sous Christos, Theou Yios, S=C5=8Dt=C4=93r > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446823#446823 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: What's up Doc? From: Donald A Mosher In response to some =9CWhat=99s up with Doc?=9D inquiries - No, I have not left the premises. After being publisher of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association newsletter for over six years (Dee and I), I had some catching up to do on other tasks. I lurked a bit on the Matronics list (and liked it.) Casting about to see how I might be of service to the Piet community, I decided to supply Air Camper plans and also updates and enhancements that I have cataloged. Although Don Pietenpol was an inspiration to all of us, I feel that with modern print facilities, I can supply complete plans including the necessary updates at a practical price. Except for the BPA newsletters, there has never really been a single source for information on updates as they came along over the years. I am cataloging all those thirty-some years of contemporary and pertinent information from builders and owners who came up with good (and maybe not so good) updates and enhancements. In addition I have archived a roomful of Piet history (airplanes, people, plans) that I am assembling. Check in to my slowly emerging website for particulars. I expect that I will be on Matt=99s wonderful Matronics website from time to time. I also welcome any personal messages from old friends. Like the Air Camper, I =99m =9Cstill going after all these years.=9D This note is not intended to sell anything, only to let people know where I am and what I am doing in the fascinating and intriguing Piet community. Doc Mosher Website*: pietenpolplansplus.com * (Pietenpol Plans Plus) E-Mail: *thepietshop.com * (The Piet Shop) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Engine weights From: "FritzW" I think I'd go with 2.8 oz. just because it'll stand up better to rock dings and hangar rash. Most of the fun places to fly around here have dirt strips. And Oratex is nice but it ain't cheap. I don't know about nitrous oxide on an 80 year old engine. It would be like putting a miniskirt on your grandma. Even if it fit it would still be wrong. ;) I took some pictures of the engine candidates today, I'll post them as soon as I transfer them off my phone. -------- Isous Christos, Theou Yios, Str Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446832#446832 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:23 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Engine weights Where are you flying out of? Steve D On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 3:28 PM, FritzW wrote: > > I think I'd go with 2.8 oz. just because it'll stand up better to rock > dings and hangar rash. Most of the fun places to fly around here have dir t > strips. And Oratex is nice but it ain't cheap. > > I don't know about nitrous oxide on an 80 year old engine. It would be > like putting a miniskirt on your grandma. Even if it fit it would still b e > wrong. ;) > > I took some pictures of the engine candidates today, I'll post them as > soon as I transfer them off my phone. > > -------- > I=C4=93sous Christos, Theou Yios, S=C5=8Dt=C4=93r > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446832#446832 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lamberts for a Piet From: "FritzW" We didn't get a chance to weigh the engines today. We're going to have to move a bunch of stuff out of the way to make room for the scales. But I did take some pictures. These all belong to a friend of mine who's going to handle the engine and steel parts for the project. I'll be the wood guy. ...I think I have the easy job ;) *it looks like these pictures are going in reverse order, must be a matronics thing -------- Isous Christos, Theou Yios, Str Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446835#446835 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/props_793.jpeg http://forums.matronics.com//files/warner_106.jpeg http://forums.matronics.com//files/lycoming_and_aeronca_181.jpeg http://forums.matronics.com//files/lambert_open_rocker_208.jpeg http://forums.matronics.com//files/lambert_209.jpeg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT Pancho Barnes movie From: Steven Dortch I am watching the Pancho Barnes movie made in 1988. Lots of great airplanes. mystery travelairs, Ryan STAs, and at least one D18 (Beech content). Awesome. I recommend it. Blue skies Steve D ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:18 PM PST US From: jim hyde Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT Pancho Barnes movie filmed at hartlee field denton, tx and pappy spinks field ft worth On Saturday, September 5, 2015 7:56 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: I am watching the Pancho Barnes movie made in 1988. Lots of great airplane s. mystery travelairs, Ryan STAs,=C2- and at least one D18=C2- (Beech c ontent).Awesome. I recommend it.Blue skies Steve D ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lamberts for a Piet From: "AircamperN11MS" Oops, sorry guys, I got drool all over these pictures. Fritz, there is or should be a Suburu powered Piet at Socorro airport. It has been there since the early 90's. It flies a lot. It could be worth the trip up there just to look at it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446840#446840 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What's up Doc? From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Doc. Good to hear from you. Look through the archives for the Steel tube tail drawings. One of the guys made some CAD drawings from my pencil drawings I provided him. The deal is that they are not for sale. They are free to anyone who wants to use this very proven set of tail feathers. Go ahead and add them to your resources and supply them at no charge to anyone who wants them. I have no problems if you charge for the materials and shipping so it doesn't cost you anything for your efforts. If you find them here let me know. I have them on my computer at work. Wow, I just saw a "Burro" walking down the street. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446842#446842 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lamberts for a Piet From: "FritzW" There was one up there somewhere around Socorro that, I thought, had a Pinto engine in it. ...maybe it was a Sube. I'm down in Las Cruces, we consider Socorro to be southern Canada ;) -------- Isous Christos, Theou Yios, Str Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446844#446844 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.