---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/07/15: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: BPA Newsletter (John Hofmann) 2. 05:22 PM - Argh! Can't Decide Between a Piet or Tiger Moth Replica (BritishJim) 3. 05:41 PM - Re: Argh! Can't Decide Between a Piet or Tiger Moth Replica (Matt Paxton) 4. 06:11 PM - Re: Argh! Can't Decide Between a Piet or Tiger Moth Replica (Scott Knowlton) 5. 06:16 PM - Re: Argh! Can't Decide Between a Piet or Tiger Moth Replica (Steven Dortch) 6. 06:51 PM - Re: Argh! Can't Decide Between a Piet or Tiger Moth Replica (Jim Boyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: BPA Newsletter From: John Hofmann Thanks Oscar, One thing on the newsletter. I found out the printer may have marked people with last issue by mistake. If you got a last issue red stamp and your subscription date on the label is anything after 10/2014 it is not your last issue. I will do everything in my power to make sure that does not happen again. On target for the next issue to be out late this month. Best, -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, IT and Production The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > On Sep 6, 2015, at 11:46 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Well, I finally got around to reading my Newsletter. The red letters on the back, by the address label, said it was my last issue and I didn't think I would be renewing but I changed my mind. It was sure worth the $20 subscription cost just to read the articles and see the photos. Thanks ever so much for the story on the J-2 mishap, the aircraft maintenance tips, and everything else in the current issue. I sure didn't think I would care to read an article about a single-blade prop on a J-2 taking a dive into some trees, but the story is very well written and the lessons learned are invaluable. Jack's article on maintenance is likewise very well written and illustrated and any builder could learn from it and apply some great ideas. Frank Pavliga's article on reinforcing wooden landing gear is another piece that made the Newsletter worth subscribing to. It's all good. > > Most of all, I guess, it's just good to see more Piets. the centerfold airplane is a beauty. If you're not a subscriber, I would encourage you to subscribe if for nothing else but the centerfold. She has long sleek legs, a radiant shine, trim waist, shapely in front, and if you could hear her voice she would probably ask "why don't you come up and see me sometime?" ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446859#446859 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Argh! Can't Decide Between a Piet or Tiger Moth Replica From: "BritishJim" I'm stuck in a dilemma here, if anyone can sway me. Looking at building either a Piet or the Fisher R-80 Tiger Moth. I've never built before...anything...and wonder if the Piet is a bit beyond my abilities. Something attracts me about the formed/molded components in the Fisher kit. Saying that, the final cost of a Piet will be 50% less (Fisher kit is 16k). Swings and roundabouts, right? Can anyone push me over either of the lines? I know it's ultimately my decision - but I'm really stuck on this one! -------- Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446871#446871 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Argh! Can't Decide Between a Piet or Tiger Moth Replica From: Matt Paxton I built a Piet, and I am helping guy who bought a partially completed Fisher R-80 Tiger Moth. It will be a pretty airplane when/if finished. It looks to be as much work as the Piet, and I don't think there is the same depth of a builder community with the R-80. You can't beat the Piet family - OK, sometimes dysfunctional, occasionally squabbling, but ultimately a great group of people. Matt Paxton NX629ML Started 1999 - First flight 2011. 228 hours total time. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Tablet On Sep 7, 2015 8:21 PM, BritishJim wrote: > > > I'm stuck in a dilemma here, if anyone can sway me. > > Looking at building either a Piet or the Fisher R-80 Tiger Moth. I've never built before...anything...and wonder if the Piet is a bit beyond my abilities. Something attracts me about the formed/molded components in the Fisher kit. > > Saying that, the final cost of a Piet will be 50% less (Fisher kit is 16k). Swings and roundabouts, right? > > Can anyone push me over either of the lines? I know it's ultimately my decision - but I'm really stuck on this one! > > -------- > Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground.... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446871#446871 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Argh! Can't Decide Between a Piet or Tiger Moth Replica From: Scott Knowlton Jim If you want to build a plane as quick as possible get a kit. The parts are pre-manufactured and you are an assembler. If you love making things the Pietenpol is simply a very long list of projects. Some of the parts you make - unless you already have acquired building skills - you will not use and make a second time until you or the people you have giving you guidance decide that it is an acceptable part. For some this process brings tremendous satisfaction and fulfillment. For others it is a very frustrating journey. Only you know what type of person you are. Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2015, at 8:25 PM, "BritishJim" wrote: > > > I'm stuck in a dilemma here, if anyone can sway me. > > Looking at building either a Piet or the Fisher R-80 Tiger Moth. I've never built before...anything...and wonder if the Piet is a bit beyond my abilities. Something attracts me about the formed/molded components in the Fisher kit. > > Saying that, the final cost of a Piet will be 50% less (Fisher kit is 16k). Swings and roundabouts, right? > > Can anyone push me over either of the lines? I know it's ultimately my decision - but I'm really stuck on this one! > > -------- > Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground.... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446871#446871 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:05 PM PST US From: Steven Dortch Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Argh! Can't Decide Between a Piet or Tiger Moth Replica British Jim, You described your options. The Piet is plans built and cheaper. The Fisher Tiger Moth is a Kit and more expensive. Fisher says it only takes 600 hours to build a Tiger moth. But beware, Manufacturers often understate the time to build. Or it is for a first time builder who happens to be a carpenter with a full woodshop. Many Pietenpols have been completed from plans. I have never seen a Fisher Tiger Moth. (Of course, even more RVs have been completed from plans.) You makes your decisions, you takes your chances. Six one way, half a dozen the other. Blue Skies, Steve D On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 7:21 PM, BritishJim wrote: > james@pieceofcakepr.com> > > I'm stuck in a dilemma here, if anyone can sway me. > > Looking at building either a Piet or the Fisher R-80 Tiger Moth. I've > never built before...anything...and wonder if the Piet is a bit beyond my > abilities. Something attracts me about the formed/molded components in the > Fisher kit. > > Saying that, the final cost of a Piet will be 50% less (Fisher kit is > 16k). Swings and roundabouts, right? > > Can anyone push me over either of the lines? I know it's ultimately my > decision - but I'm really stuck on this one! > > -------- > Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the > ground.... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446871#446871 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:11 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Argh! Can't Decide Between a Piet or Tiger Moth Replica Hi there British Jim, I don't know if you have to rib stitch the Fisher Moth replica but I just f inished my Piet wings and having 70+ year old eyes it was a chore to rib st itch 30 ribs; 6 every 2.5 inches (in prop blast) and 24 every 3.5 inches. I t was a whole lot of rib stitches!Plus building all the ribs for 4 wings an d the many cables, struts, etc. Biplanes look cool but let some work-aholic (sp) build them. The PIet will be a lot easier to put inand out of a hangar; fewer wings to get hangar rash!!! Good looking airplane though. 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