---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/28/15: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:19 AM - first flight (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: NX478RS more first flight pictures (Rick) 3. 08:09 AM - Re: NX478RS first flight (Rick) 4. 08:09 AM - Re: first flight (Rick) 5. 08:10 AM - Great news-- Richard Schreiber's Piet's first flight (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 6. 08:23 AM - Re: NX478RS first flight (Gary Boothe) 7. 11:20 AM - Re: NX478RS more first flight pictures (aerocarjake) 8. 01:18 PM - Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... (aerocarjake) 9. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... (Ken Bickers) 10. 01:36 PM - CNC parts (KMHeide) 11. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... (goffelectric@comcast.net) 12. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... (Ray Krause) 13. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... (Ken Bickers) 14. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... (Jack Philips) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:17 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: first flight Thanks Bill, used that link to see the pics. Rick, what a great moment and a beautiful bird! Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX478RS more first flight pictures From: Rick Thanks Tom. The flight went well except for having to hold back pressure on the stick. I will try checking and adjusting the horizontal stab before the next flight. Rick Schreiber NX478RS Sent from my iPad > On Sep 27, 2015, at 8:41 AM, tkreiner wrote: > > > She's a beauty, Rick! > > I hope someone made the call to Sport Aviation; we need another Cover Gitl! > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447475#447475 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX478RS first flight From: Rick Thanks Jack. As I just mentioned to Tom Kreiner, my test pilot did have to apply back pre ssure on the stick all the time. I have read that Greg Cardinal and Dale Joh nson had the same problem on their Piet. When they rechecked the rigging on t he horizontal stab they found it was off slightly. By getting it in trim and adjusting the tailing cables on top tighter they were able to correct the p roblem. I will give this a try. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso IN Sent from my iPad > On Sep 27, 2015, at 6:13 AM, Jack Philips wrote : > > Fantastic, Rick! Well worth the wait. Great looking airplane. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Schreiber > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 8:00 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX478RS first flight > > Well fellow Pieters today was the day. The first flight of NX478RS occurre d today at about 12:45 without any problems. For years I told everyone who a sked, that it would fly "Friday" - just never what week, or year. Well I onl y missed it by a day. Here are some shots of the occasion. The first flight was done by a good friend of mine who also works for the FAA. So everyting h ad to be done right. > Rick Schreiber > VPZ > Valparaiso IN > > Take off!!!! > > > Climbing nicely > > > Good first Landing with a little wind gusts > > > Happy smiles for Kris the test pilot! > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first flight From: Rick Thanks Douwe! I missed seeing you at Blakesburg this year but I did see your fantastic Pie t. Well I did see you a couple of times but you were smoking the field each t ime at about 50 feet. I flew the tripacer again this year, maybe next year w e can meet up and fly the Piets in. Rick Schreiber NX478RS Sent from my iPad > On Sep 28, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote : > > Thanks Bill, used that link to see the pics. > > Rick, what a great moment and a beautiful bird! > > Douwe > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:15 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great news-- Richard Schreiber's Piet's first flight VGhpcyBpcyBTVUNIIGdyZWF0IG5ld3MgUmljayEgICAgSeKAmW0gdGhyaWxsZWQgZm9yIHlvdSBh bmQgdGhhdCBldmVyeXRoaW5nIHdlbnQgc28gd2VsbC4gIFlvdSBoYXZlIHN0dWNrIHdpdGggdGhl IGJ1aWxkaW5nIG9mIHlvdXIgcGxhbmUgZm9yIG1hbnksIG1hbnkgeWVhcnMgYW5kIGl0DQoNCnR1 cm5lZCBvdXQgdG8gYmUganVzdCBiZWF1dGlmdWwuICAgTm93IHRoZSByZWFsbHkgZnVuIHBhcnQg YmVnaW5zIGFuZCBJ4oCZbSBnbGFkIHlvdSBoYXZlIHNvbWUgZ29vZCB3ZWF0aGVyIGxlZnQgYWhl YWQgb2YgeW91IHRvIGJydXNoIHVwIG9uIHlvdXIgdGFpbHdoZWVsIHJhdGluZyBhbmQgZ2V0IHRv IGZseQ0KDQp5b3VyIG93biBwbGFuZSBoZXJlIGJlZm9yZSB0aGUgc25vdyBmbGllcy4gICAgWW91 IHdvcmtlZCBsb25nIGFuZCBoYXJkIGZvciB0aGlzIGRheSB0byBjb21lIGFuZCBJIGNvdWxkbuKA mXQgYmUgbW9yZSBwbGVhc2VkIHRvIGhlYXIgdGhpcyBncmVhdCBuZXdzIQ0KDQoNCg0KTWljaGFl bCBDdXkNCg0KT2hpbw0KDQoNCg0KDQo ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:48 AM PST US From: Gary Boothe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX478RS first flight Rick, I had the same issue, so I tweaked the horizontal stab by tightening the fro nt cables, as suggested by the late Dick Navratil. I'll shim the horizontal a t the next annual. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:29 AM, Rick wrote: > > Thanks Jack. > As I just mentioned to Tom Kreiner, my test pilot did have to apply back p ressure on the stick all the time. I have read that Greg Cardinal and Dale J ohnson had the same problem on their Piet. When they rechecked the rigging o n the horizontal stab they found it was off slightly. By getting it in trim a nd adjusting the tailing cables on top tighter they were able to correct the problem. I will give this a try. > Rick Schreiber > Valparaiso IN > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 27, 2015, at 6:13 AM, Jack Philips wrot e: >> >> Fantastic, Rick! Well worth the wait. Great looking airplane. >> >> Jack Phillips >> NX899JP >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Schreiber >> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 8:00 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX478RS first flight >> >> Well fellow Pieters today was the day. The first flight of NX478RS occurr ed today at about 12:45 without any problems. For years I told everyone who a sked, that it would fly "Friday" - just never what week, or year. Well I onl y missed it by a day. Here are some shots of the occasion. The first flight was done by a good friend of mine who also works for the FAA. So everyting h ad to be done right. >> Rick Schreiber >> VPZ >> Valparaiso IN >> >> Take off!!!! >> >> >> Climbing nicely >> >> >> Good first Landing with a little wind gusts >> >> >> Happy smiles for Kris the test pilot! >> >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX478RS more first flight pictures From: "aerocarjake" Awesome....!!!!! Congratulations and WELL DONE....!!! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447518#447518 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... From: "aerocarjake" Attached is a "sketch" of how I plan to mount my tank. It is similar to my understanding of how the WACO biplanes mount their tanks. The green is a 1" wide 0.10" thick 4130 strap. The red is the plywood bottom of the wood center-section. Fasteners are represented by the "brown" rivets and black bolts. The purple represents a stainless-steel strap with a turnbuckle to hold the tank down. I plan to use felt (black lines) below the tank and under the stainless-steel straps. -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447519#447519 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuel_tank_mounting_179.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... From: Ken Bickers Jake, you may have already thought of this. You'll also want a ground wire between the tank and the structure to keep from getting an untimely spark while refueling. I wouldn't trust the felt to act as a conductor. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:18 PM, aerocarjake wrote: > > > > Attached is a "sketch" of how I plan to mount my tank. It is similar to my > understanding of how the WACO biplanes mount their tanks. > > The green is a 1" wide 0.10" thick 4130 strap. The red is the plywood > bottom of the wood center-section. > > Fasteners are represented by the "brown" rivets and black bolts. > > The purple represents a stainless-steel strap with a turnbuckle to hold > the tank down. I plan to use felt (black lines) below the tank and under > the stainless-steel straps. > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447519#447519 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuel_tank_mounting_179.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: CNC parts From: KMHeide Anyone have a source for cnc cutting of metal parts? Someone who has the parts programmed and can cut them out for a reasonable fee? Scout builder Sent from my iPhone-KMH ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:52 PM PST US From: goffelectric@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... What would be the best thing to ground the tank to? Keith Goff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers Sent: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:25:48 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... Jake, you may have already thought of this. You'll also want a ground wire between the tank and the structure to keep from getting an untimely spark while refueling. I wouldn't trust the felt to act as a conductor. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:18 PM, aerocarjake wrote: > > > > Attached is a "sketch" of how I plan to mount my tank. It is similar to my > understanding of how the WACO biplanes mount their tanks. > > The green is a 1" wide 0.10" thick 4130 strap. The red is the plywood > bottom of the wood center-section. > > Fasteners are represented by the "brown" rivets and black bolts. > > The purple represents a stainless-steel strap with a turnbuckle to hold > the tank down. I plan to use felt (black lines) below the tank and under > the stainless-steel straps. > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447519#447519 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuel_tank_mounting_179.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:58 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... Sure looks good to me. Nice sketch. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 28, 2015, at 1:18 PM, aerocarjake wrote: > > > Attached is a "sketch" of how I plan to mount my tank. It is similar to my understanding of how the WACO biplanes mount their tanks. > > The green is a 1" wide 0.10" thick 4130 strap. The red is the plywood bottom of the wood center-section. > > Fasteners are represented by the "brown" rivets and black bolts. > > The purple represents a stainless-steel strap with a turnbuckle to hold the tank down. I plan to use felt (black lines) below the tank and under the stainless-steel straps. > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447519#447519 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuel_tank_mounting_179.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... From: Ken Bickers The engine. Jake has a welded metal fuselage. So in his case, a ground to the structure would work, as long as he has a strap from the fuselage to the engine. On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 4:10 PM, wrote: > > What would be the best thing to ground the tank to? > > Keith Goff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Bickers > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:25:48 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... > > Jake, you may have already thought of this. You'll also want a ground wire > between the tank and the structure to keep from getting an untimely spark > while refueling. I wouldn't trust the felt to act as a conductor. Cheers, > Ken > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:18 PM, aerocarjake > wrote: > > flight.jake@gmail.com > > > > > > > Attached is a "sketch" of how I plan to mount my tank. It is similar to > my > > understanding of how the WACO biplanes mount their tanks. > > > > The green is a 1" wide 0.10" thick 4130 strap. The red is the plywood > > bottom of the wood center-section. > > > > Fasteners are represented by the "brown" rivets and black bolts. > > > > The purple represents a stainless-steel strap with a turnbuckle to hold > > the tank down. I plan to use felt (black lines) below the tank and under > > the stainless-steel straps. > > > > -------- > > Jake Schultz - curator, > > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447519#447519 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuel_tank_mounting_179.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:18 PM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... Almost identical to the method I used to mount my tank. Ten years, 350 hours and Lord knows how many hard landings and there are no problems. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 4:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... --> Attached is a "sketch" of how I plan to mount my tank. It is similar to my understanding of how the WACO biplanes mount their tanks. The green is a 1" wide 0.10" thick 4130 strap. The red is the plywood bottom of the wood center-section. Fasteners are represented by the "brown" rivets and black bolts. The purple represents a stainless-steel strap with a turnbuckle to hold the tank down. I plan to use felt (black lines) below the tank and under the stainless-steel straps. -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447519#447519 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuel_tank_mounting_179.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.