---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/30/15: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:37 AM - Corvair Fuel Burn (Harvey Plummer) 2. 07:07 AM - Re: Last Call! 12th Annual Alternative Engine Round-Up and Exper (AircamperN11MS) 3. 07:40 AM - Re: fuel tank progress (Yates) 4. 09:25 AM - Re: CNC parts (bdewenter) 5. 10:49 AM - Re: fuel tank progress (AircamperN11MS) 6. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: fuel tank progress (Charles N. Campbell) 7. 01:00 PM - Re: fuel tank progress (AircamperN11MS) 8. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: fuel tank progress (George Abernathy) 9. 07:08 PM - Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... (nightmare) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Fuel Burn From: "Harvey Plummer" How many GPH does the Corvair engine burn at typical cruise RPM? What is the RPM? -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447552#447552 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Call! 12th Annual Alternative Engine Round-Up and Exper From: "AircamperN11MS" Oscar, I flew down there. Dad flew his KR2 in and I got to visit with the French Valley Piet owners. My friend with the Pegasus 0-100 engine was there demonstrating it as well. I also saw Revmaster there and a roadable airplane was there. There were about dozen planes of various types that flew in. It started getting pretty hot out, so I headed home early in the day. I had a great time and hope to go back again next year. Thanks for the reminder about it. I do still like flying behind my Cont. engine. Parts available at most any airport in the nation. Sorry, I didn't take any pics. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447553#447553 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: fuel tank progress From: Yates When I used to fuel the agcat the line boys always wanted it grounded the same with the pawnee they never said anything when I had approved gasoline containers made of plastic. I aways,think of that at gas stations but don't know of any,problems first hand and have heard stories about cell phones and such causing fires. If I ever get to the,assembled,of my Piet project I intend to use a metal tank and I will run a ground strap. Kind of on that subject I worked,for,a operator in Florida who did,a lot of sulfur dusting with Cessna ag trucks they had little braided straps on all control surfaces to eliminate static sparking and actually in later years burnt up,a couple of air tractor with sulfur fires. Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CNC parts From: "bdewenter" http://www.emachineshop.com/ reasonable price? Don't know. software is free I had my parts water jet cut locally - reasonable? not from my perspective -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447556#447556 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress From: "AircamperN11MS" Many years ago a friend of mine was fueling his Pacer with plastic gas cans. It sparked and set the cans on fire. He threw it away from the plane thus saving the plane. The gas can died that day. His plane was tied down and not yet flown that day. Just the wind we experience in the desert was enough to charge the aircraft to cause a discharge when the fuel started flowing. After reading this thread I am now going to touch the fuel nozzle to the grounded exhaust stack before dispensing the fuel. Maybe it is overkill, but might be worth doing???? Can't hurt to try. Great conversation. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447560#447560 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress From: "Charles N. Campbell" Great thread. The only airplanes I have ever owned were based at a field that had a line boy. I never had to fuel either of them so don't know if a ground wire was used or not. I will be sure to ground my fuel nozzle before pumping fuel. Chuck On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 1:48 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> > > Many years ago a friend of mine was fueling his Pacer with plastic gas > cans. It sparked and set the cans on fire. He threw it away from the > plane thus saving the plane. The gas can died that day. > > His plane was tied down and not yet flown that day. Just the wind we > experience in the desert was enough to charge the aircraft to cause a > discharge when the fuel started flowing. > > After reading this thread I am now going to touch the fuel nozzle to the > grounded exhaust stack before dispensing the fuel. Maybe it is overkill, > but might be worth doing???? Can't hurt to try. > > Great conversation. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447560#447560 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress From: "AircamperN11MS" Let me clarify one thing. I won't be touching a fuel nozzle to a "HOT" exhaust pipe. Nobody called me out on that yet, but I'm sure some of you were thinking that I may have fallen and hit my head. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447566#447566 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:05 PM PST US From: George Abernathy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress I would say err on the side of caution. If two objects are at the same pote ntial they cannot spark. So Ground it!=C2- Or, take some measure to make the objects the same potential. How likely it is to spark depends where you are.If in the southwest with ve ry low humidity a significant charge can build up. If it is winter time and dry=C2- same thing. Use the same precautions to keep from getting a static shock that you would say a shopping cart with rubber wheels and a squealy tennis shoe. Touching the metal part while the cart is moving will dissipaate the static . Or like when grandma slides off the plastic seat covers of the grannie mobi le. She learns pretty quickly to hold on to the door handle until her fouches down. I have to explain static down at the vo tech. Mutter moan From: Charles N. Campbell To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank progress Great thread.=C2- The only airplanes I have ever owned were based at a fi eld that had a line boy.=C2- I never had to fuel either of them so don't know if a ground wire was used or not.=C2- I will be sure to ground my fu el nozzle before pumping fuel.=C2- Chuck On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 1:48 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: y.org> Many years ago a friend of mine was fueling his Pacer with plastic gas cans .=C2- It sparked and set the cans on fire.=C2- He threw it away from th e plane thus saving the plane.=C2- The gas can died that day. His plane was tied down and not yet flown that day.=C2- Just the wind we experience in the desert was enough to charge the aircraft to cause a disch arge when the fuel started flowing. After reading this thread I am now going to touch the fuel nozzle to the gr ounded exhaust stack before dispensing the fuel.=C2- Maybe it is overkill , but might be worth doing???? Can't hurt to try. Great conversation. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447560#447560 br>enpol-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank progress/welding..... From: "nightmare" thanks for the diagram Jake. great info on grounding also. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447573#447573 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.