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     1. 09:24 PM - Re: Tank Shape/Support (taildrags)
 
 
 


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    Time: 09:24:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tank Shape/Support
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    My guess is that there are dozens of Air Campers that have the same nose tank as Mike Cuy's sketch depicts. It's almost exactly what is on the nose of my airplane, and you can get the gist of how it fits in the fuselage here: http://flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/Image-10.JPG Although the tank on 41CC holds a few ounces one side or the other of 16 gallons, I consider the last couple of gallons in the tank to be unusable because below that level, the fuel will not flow reliably to the carburetor by gravity. In fact, in the 3-point attitude (ground ops or slow flight) I can guarantee you that it is unusable. Ask me how I know ;o) Now back to the question at hand, which is the Corvair-Piet combination. Here you have more options, such as constructing the tank in the same style as the usual nose tank but a bit deeper. Since the Corvair requires an electrical system and can thus use an electric fuel pump, gravity flow to the carb is not a requirement. However, and as Terry pointed out, do some W&B studies because even though standard Air Campers tend to be tail-heavy, with a Corvair on the nose plus more fuel, plus electrical system, starter, and battery- you may need to look at what 18 gallons of fuel up there will do. You'll definitely need to placard it 'Rear Seat Solo Only' unless you really work some magic with where you put the weight. I just ran the W&B spreadsheet for my airplane with another 2 gallons in the tank and although it doesn't change much in the solo configuration (raises the minimum pilot weight at maximum forward CG with full fuel to 112 lbs), it makes the loading configurations with a passenger a bit fussier. For example, my airplane (empty weight 633) is 5 lbs under max gross of 1088 lbs with 18 gallons in the tank if I have a standard 170 lb pilot and 170 lb passenger and the CG stays nicely within the envelope all the way down to 3 gallons remaining in the tank. However, if I have a 210 lb pilot and a 135 lb passenger, I'm at gross and within CG but when I burn it down to only 3 gallons left in the tank, the airplane is 1.1" out of aft end of the CG range and if I get to a short field in the afternoon when it's a bit bumpy and I've been in the air for a couple of hours... low fuel... aft CG... twitchy airplane in the bumpy air... it's going to be light on the stick and easier to stall. If you want to get more fuel capacity, as some have wanted to, there are other options. The deHavilland Moth-style 'hump' centersection wing tank has a pleasing appearance to some eyes, and it moves the fuel to a spot where fuel burn doesn't shift the CG appreciably like it does in the nose tank. By all means, play with a W&B spreadsheet to see what effect all these things will have on your operating envelope. Build it light to give you the most leeway in payload, build it so the wing and landing gear geometry give the airplane the best attitude in the 3-point configuration, and work out CG loadings on paper before you set things permanently. It's much easier with paper and pencil than doing it with the welding torch, wrenches, shims, weights, and other kludges after it's built. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447859#447859




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