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1. 09:15 AM - Re: Potential Piet Fly-In (John Fastnaught)
2. 09:22 AM - Re: Potential Piet Fly-In (Marcus Zechini)
3. 11:24 AM - Re: Potential Piet Fly-In (Jack Philips)
4. 11:42 AM - Wing Heavy (geeman)
5. 11:50 AM - Re: Potential Piet Fly-In (Marcus Zechini)
6. 11:54 AM - Re: Wing Heavy (taildrags)
7. 11:56 AM - Re: Wing Heavy (taildrags)
8. 02:16 PM - Re: Wing Heavy (geeman)
9. 09:55 PM - Re: Wing Heavy (taildrags)
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Subject: | Re: Potential Piet Fly-In |
Zechini,
I'm still in phase one of flight testing, otherwise I would seriously consid
er flying up there. We used to live in Winchester an went to White Post occa
sionally. Keep up the good work.
Jack
N144JF
Model A
Wire wheels
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com> wro
te:
>
> Any Piets that fly in to 3VA7 (White Post, Va) this weekend 10/17-18 will b
e fed and housed. I live 4 miles from the 2000' grass strip and am shuttle. J
ust let me know if yer gonna show. One can pop in for overnighter or pass th
rough sat or sun. Let me know so I might stock up.
> -Zeke
> GN-1 w/C-85-12
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Subject: | Re: Potential Piet Fly-In |
Maybe an annual or more often event. Possible scrub, as really loved, old
aviator passed on my hometown. A couple of attendees knew him, so may at a
memorial. The deceased, Rucker Tibbs, gave me my 1st tailwheel lesson in a
J-4.
Love to see the Fords fly!
On Oct 14, 2015 12:18 PM, "John Fastnaught" <fastnaught@windstream.net>
wrote:
> Zechini,
> I'm still in phase one of flight testing, otherwise I would seriously
> consider flying up there. We used to live in Winchester an went to White
> Post occasionally. Keep up the good work.
> Jack
> N144JF
> Model A
> Wire wheels
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Any Piets that fly in to 3VA7 (White Post, Va) this weekend 10/17-18 will
> be fed and housed. I live 4 miles from the 2000' grass strip and am
> shuttle. Just let me know if yer gonna show. One can pop in for overnighter
> or pass through sat or sun. Let me know so I might stock up.
> -Zeke
> GN-1 w/C-85-12
>
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Subject: | Potential Piet Fly-In |
Zeke,
Have you heard when Rucker=99s funeral will be? He died yesterday
morning, but that=99s all I know. Haven=99t heard when or
where the funeral will be, but I=99ll be there for it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus
Zechini
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Potential Piet Fly-In
Maybe an annual or more often event. Possible scrub, as really loved,
old aviator passed on my hometown. A couple of attendees knew him, so
may at a memorial. The deceased, Rucker Tibbs, gave me my 1st tailwheel
lesson in a J-4.
Love to see the Fords fly!
On Oct 14, 2015 12:18 PM, "John Fastnaught" <fastnaught@windstream.net
<mailto:fastnaught@windstream.net> > wrote:
Zechini,
I'm still in phase one of flight testing, otherwise I would seriously
consider flying up there. We used to live in Winchester an went to White
Post occasionally. Keep up the good work.
Jack
N144JF
Model A
Wire wheels
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com
<mailto:marcus.zechini@gmail.com> > wrote:
Any Piets that fly in to 3VA7 (White Post, Va) this weekend 10/17-18
will be fed and housed. I live 4 miles from the 2000' grass strip and am
shuttle. Just let me know if yer gonna show. One can pop in for
overnighter or pass through sat or sun. Let me know so I might stock up.
-Zeke
GN-1 w/C-85-12
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I purchased a used pietenpol and the plane wants to make a slight right turn when
you let go of the stick. Is there any adjustments that can be made to correct
this?
Any help would be appreciated.
Kyle Gee
geekyle@yahoo.com
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Subject: | Potential Piet Fly-In |
Yes. Heard the sad news. This weekend would be when, if I guessed. Maybe I
am flying your way, instead. Talked to Matt, too.
On Oct 14, 2015 2:28 PM, "Jack Philips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:
> Zeke,
>
>
> Have you heard when Rucker=99s funeral will be? He died yesterday
morning,
> but that=99s all I know. Haven=99t heard when or where the f
uneral will be,
> but I=99ll be there for it.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcus Zechini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:23 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Potential Piet Fly-In
>
>
> Maybe an annual or more often event. Possible scrub, as really loved, old
> aviator passed on my hometown. A couple of attendees knew him, so may at
a
> memorial. The deceased, Rucker Tibbs, gave me my 1st tailwheel lesson in
a
> J-4.
> Love to see the Fords fly!
>
> On Oct 14, 2015 12:18 PM, "John Fastnaught" <fastnaught@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
> Zechini,
>
> I'm still in phase one of flight testing, otherwise I would seriously
> consider flying up there. We used to live in Winchester an went to White
> Post occasionally. Keep up the good work.
>
> Jack
>
> N144JF
>
> Model A
>
> Wire wheels
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Any Piets that fly in to 3VA7 (White Post, Va) this weekend 10/17-18 will
> be fed and housed. I live 4 miles from the 2000' grass strip and am
> shuttle. Just let me know if yer gonna show. One can pop in for overnight
er
> or pass through sat or sun. Let me know so I might stock up.
> -Zeke
> GN-1 w/C-85-12
>
>
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Kyle; take a few minutes and check something. Easy to do. Fix the control stick
in the centered position by securing it with the seatbelt so the stick is immobile
and centered. Now either sitting in the cockpit or standing there and
looking right and left at the tips of the ailerons, are they both in the same
position or is one deflected more than the other? If so, which one is it and
which way is it deflected?
If it's not the ailerons, you'll need to move on to the wing twist, which is a
little more work but can all be done on the ground and no special tools are required.
First try the ailerons to see what they look like, just out of curiosity.
I suspect the wing washout is different between the two wings and one is
lifting more than the other, but eliminate the ailerons first. Adjusting the
wing washout will require screwing the attachment forks in or out at the lift
strut attach points.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Oh, and not to sound snide, but pop the inspection covers on the heavy wing and
peek around inside. If you have a squirrel or rat nest out in the end of the
wing, that could also be creating a heavy wing. Unlikely, I know, but inspecting
inside your wing is quick and easy and will also let you look at cable tension
and general condition inside there.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Oscar
Thanks for the help. I will take a look at the ailerons this weekend and report
back.
So I was thinking I could effectively raise the front of the wing on the heavy
side be extending the front strut? Are there any specific instructions for doing
this in the plans? I was concerned with stressing the wing.
Thanks.
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Like Grandpa used to say, "do it right the first time and you won't have to do
it again". So don't go turning the fork ends or adjusting anything without having
a plan, or you may end up making things worse ;o)
You can spend about an hour in the hangar taking some simple measurements that
will tell you a lot about how the wing is rigged, and you won't have to change
any of the current rigging to find out what you've got. What you need is a pencil
and piece of paper, a level, and a straightedge that's about 5 feet long
(the wing chord is 60" and you need something stiff and straight that will span
the wing chord). A straight stick or board will do, so will a mop handle,
a piece of tubing or pipe, or anything similar if it's the right length. If you're
going to measure the wing washout, you might as well take the time to level
the airplane so you won't have to be adding and subtracting angles and decimal
degrees to find out what you want to know, which is the wing washout (difference
in angle of incidence from wing root to wing tip). If you start with
the fuselage level at "zero", all the readings you take can be recorded directly
and you'll know your wing incidence.
Secure the aircraft systems (fuel off, mags off) and chock the wheels. Raise the
tail onto something steady and block it up till the aircraft is in the level
attitude. Using your level, measure the top longeron to make sure it is level.
You can use a bubble level, but a digital level is better. I just downloaded
a combination bubble and digital level app for iPhone for free and it looks
very accurate. You could use something like that and get very accurate readings
in seconds, and of course a bubble level won't give you a readout in degrees
;o) Harbor Freight also has a very handy angle finder for $4.99 (their part
no. 34214) that is reasonably accurate and also has a magnetic side to it
so you can stick it to metal tubing or surfaces to measure their angles. Accurate
to about 1/2 degree.
With the aircraft level and steady, take your straightedge and place it across
the bottom of one wing at the root. Put your level on the straightedge and read
the angle, then record it. Move outboard about 6-1/2 feet and measure and
record your reading there. Outboard from there you have aileron to deal with
but it's pretty important to get a good reading out near the wingtip to see what
the angle of incidence is out there. You should secure the control stick with
the seatbelt to hold the ailerons level and measure the incidence out at the
tip and record that value.
Repeat this for the other wing and then sit down to figure out what you've got.
There is no hurry, and you want to think about what you're looking at before
you go tweaking the wing brace cables or adjusting the fork ends. Piets being
what they are, your airplane won't hurry you or go anywhere while you do your
figuring, so take your time.
The first thing to look at is if either of your wings has any washout rigged into
it at all. Some builders rig them flat and square with little or no washout
and little or no dihedral... just the 2" of incidence that results from the
front cabanes being longer than the rear ones. When you look at the wing incidence
from root to tip, you should be seeing decreasing angles because you want
the root to stall before the tip does and that means the root should be at a
greater angle of incidence and the tip should be less, or the angle should be
"washed out" as you go outboard from the root. You probably will not find "wash
in".
The next thing to look at is the difference in wing incidence between port and
starboard wings. If you see numbers that are more than a degree or two off between
the same stations on opposite wings, you may have found the source of the
wing heaviness. Don't go changing anything yet though. Once you take these
few simple measurements, there are plenty of people on this list who know what
the numbers should look like and can tell you the simplest way to adjust things
to get your airplane back in rig. If you need to start tweaking the lift
struts and forks, there are some helpful tips you should know but now is not the
time... you need to check a few things first and then see what you've got.
Work through this the right way and your airplane should fly level in cruise,
in smooth air, without a heavy wing. Let us know what you find when you check
the ailerons left and right with the stick centered and secured in place.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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