---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/14/15: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:15 AM - Re: Potential Piet Fly-In (John Fastnaught) 2. 09:22 AM - Re: Potential Piet Fly-In (Marcus Zechini) 3. 11:24 AM - Re: Potential Piet Fly-In (Jack Philips) 4. 11:42 AM - Wing Heavy (geeman) 5. 11:50 AM - Re: Potential Piet Fly-In (Marcus Zechini) 6. 11:54 AM - Re: Wing Heavy (taildrags) 7. 11:56 AM - Re: Wing Heavy (taildrags) 8. 02:16 PM - Re: Wing Heavy (geeman) 9. 09:55 PM - Re: Wing Heavy (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Potential Piet Fly-In From: John Fastnaught Zechini, I'm still in phase one of flight testing, otherwise I would seriously consid er flying up there. We used to live in Winchester an went to White Post occa sionally. Keep up the good work. Jack N144JF Model A Wire wheels Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 11, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Marcus Zechini wro te: > > Any Piets that fly in to 3VA7 (White Post, Va) this weekend 10/17-18 will b e fed and housed. I live 4 miles from the 2000' grass strip and am shuttle. J ust let me know if yer gonna show. One can pop in for overnighter or pass th rough sat or sun. Let me know so I might stock up. > -Zeke > GN-1 w/C-85-12 > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Potential Piet Fly-In From: Marcus Zechini Maybe an annual or more often event. Possible scrub, as really loved, old aviator passed on my hometown. A couple of attendees knew him, so may at a memorial. The deceased, Rucker Tibbs, gave me my 1st tailwheel lesson in a J-4. Love to see the Fords fly! On Oct 14, 2015 12:18 PM, "John Fastnaught" wrote: > Zechini, > I'm still in phase one of flight testing, otherwise I would seriously > consider flying up there. We used to live in Winchester an went to White > Post occasionally. Keep up the good work. > Jack > N144JF > Model A > Wire wheels > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 11, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Marcus Zechini > wrote: > > Any Piets that fly in to 3VA7 (White Post, Va) this weekend 10/17-18 will > be fed and housed. I live 4 miles from the 2000' grass strip and am > shuttle. Just let me know if yer gonna show. One can pop in for overnighter > or pass through sat or sun. Let me know so I might stock up. > -Zeke > GN-1 w/C-85-12 > > * > > D============================================ > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > D============================================ > //forums.matronics.com > D============================================ > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D============================================ > > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:43 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Potential Piet Fly-In Zeke, Have you heard when Rucker=99s funeral will be? He died yesterday morning, but that=99s all I know. Haven=99t heard when or where the funeral will be, but I=99ll be there for it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Zechini Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Potential Piet Fly-In Maybe an annual or more often event. Possible scrub, as really loved, old aviator passed on my hometown. A couple of attendees knew him, so may at a memorial. The deceased, Rucker Tibbs, gave me my 1st tailwheel lesson in a J-4. Love to see the Fords fly! On Oct 14, 2015 12:18 PM, "John Fastnaught" > wrote: Zechini, I'm still in phase one of flight testing, otherwise I would seriously consider flying up there. We used to live in Winchester an went to White Post occasionally. Keep up the good work. Jack N144JF Model A Wire wheels Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Marcus Zechini > wrote: Any Piets that fly in to 3VA7 (White Post, Va) this weekend 10/17-18 will be fed and housed. 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Is there any adjustments that can be made to correct this? Any help would be appreciated. Kyle Gee geekyle@yahoo.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447935#447935 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:50:21 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Potential Piet Fly-In From: Marcus Zechini Yes. Heard the sad news. This weekend would be when, if I guessed. Maybe I am flying your way, instead. Talked to Matt, too. On Oct 14, 2015 2:28 PM, "Jack Philips" wrote: > Zeke, > > > Have you heard when Rucker=99s funeral will be? He died yesterday morning, > but that=99s all I know. Haven=99t heard when or where the f uneral will be, > but I=99ll be there for it. > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcus Zechini > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:23 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Potential Piet Fly-In > > > Maybe an annual or more often event. Possible scrub, as really loved, old > aviator passed on my hometown. A couple of attendees knew him, so may at a > memorial. The deceased, Rucker Tibbs, gave me my 1st tailwheel lesson in a > J-4. > Love to see the Fords fly! > > On Oct 14, 2015 12:18 PM, "John Fastnaught" > wrote: > > Zechini, > > I'm still in phase one of flight testing, otherwise I would seriously > consider flying up there. We used to live in Winchester an went to White > Post occasionally. Keep up the good work. > > Jack > > N144JF > > Model A > > Wire wheels > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 11, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Marcus Zechini > wrote: > > Any Piets that fly in to 3VA7 (White Post, Va) this weekend 10/17-18 will > be fed and housed. I live 4 miles from the 2000' grass strip and am > shuttle. Just let me know if yer gonna show. One can pop in for overnight er > or pass through sat or sun. 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Easy to do. Fix the control stick in the centered position by securing it with the seatbelt so the stick is immobile and centered. Now either sitting in the cockpit or standing there and looking right and left at the tips of the ailerons, are they both in the same position or is one deflected more than the other? If so, which one is it and which way is it deflected? If it's not the ailerons, you'll need to move on to the wing twist, which is a little more work but can all be done on the ground and no special tools are required. First try the ailerons to see what they look like, just out of curiosity. I suspect the wing washout is different between the two wings and one is lifting more than the other, but eliminate the ailerons first. Adjusting the wing washout will require screwing the attachment forks in or out at the lift strut attach points. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447936#447936 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Heavy From: "taildrags" Oh, and not to sound snide, but pop the inspection covers on the heavy wing and peek around inside. If you have a squirrel or rat nest out in the end of the wing, that could also be creating a heavy wing. Unlikely, I know, but inspecting inside your wing is quick and easy and will also let you look at cable tension and general condition inside there. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447938#447938 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Heavy From: "geeman" Oscar Thanks for the help. I will take a look at the ailerons this weekend and report back. So I was thinking I could effectively raise the front of the wing on the heavy side be extending the front strut? Are there any specific instructions for doing this in the plans? I was concerned with stressing the wing. Thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447947#447947 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Heavy From: "taildrags" Like Grandpa used to say, "do it right the first time and you won't have to do it again". So don't go turning the fork ends or adjusting anything without having a plan, or you may end up making things worse ;o) You can spend about an hour in the hangar taking some simple measurements that will tell you a lot about how the wing is rigged, and you won't have to change any of the current rigging to find out what you've got. What you need is a pencil and piece of paper, a level, and a straightedge that's about 5 feet long (the wing chord is 60" and you need something stiff and straight that will span the wing chord). A straight stick or board will do, so will a mop handle, a piece of tubing or pipe, or anything similar if it's the right length. If you're going to measure the wing washout, you might as well take the time to level the airplane so you won't have to be adding and subtracting angles and decimal degrees to find out what you want to know, which is the wing washout (difference in angle of incidence from wing root to wing tip). If you start with the fuselage level at "zero", all the readings you take can be recorded directly and you'll know your wing incidence. Secure the aircraft systems (fuel off, mags off) and chock the wheels. Raise the tail onto something steady and block it up till the aircraft is in the level attitude. Using your level, measure the top longeron to make sure it is level. You can use a bubble level, but a digital level is better. I just downloaded a combination bubble and digital level app for iPhone for free and it looks very accurate. You could use something like that and get very accurate readings in seconds, and of course a bubble level won't give you a readout in degrees ;o) Harbor Freight also has a very handy angle finder for $4.99 (their part no. 34214) that is reasonably accurate and also has a magnetic side to it so you can stick it to metal tubing or surfaces to measure their angles. Accurate to about 1/2 degree. With the aircraft level and steady, take your straightedge and place it across the bottom of one wing at the root. Put your level on the straightedge and read the angle, then record it. Move outboard about 6-1/2 feet and measure and record your reading there. Outboard from there you have aileron to deal with but it's pretty important to get a good reading out near the wingtip to see what the angle of incidence is out there. You should secure the control stick with the seatbelt to hold the ailerons level and measure the incidence out at the tip and record that value. Repeat this for the other wing and then sit down to figure out what you've got. There is no hurry, and you want to think about what you're looking at before you go tweaking the wing brace cables or adjusting the fork ends. Piets being what they are, your airplane won't hurry you or go anywhere while you do your figuring, so take your time. The first thing to look at is if either of your wings has any washout rigged into it at all. Some builders rig them flat and square with little or no washout and little or no dihedral... just the 2" of incidence that results from the front cabanes being longer than the rear ones. When you look at the wing incidence from root to tip, you should be seeing decreasing angles because you want the root to stall before the tip does and that means the root should be at a greater angle of incidence and the tip should be less, or the angle should be "washed out" as you go outboard from the root. You probably will not find "wash in". The next thing to look at is the difference in wing incidence between port and starboard wings. If you see numbers that are more than a degree or two off between the same stations on opposite wings, you may have found the source of the wing heaviness. Don't go changing anything yet though. Once you take these few simple measurements, there are plenty of people on this list who know what the numbers should look like and can tell you the simplest way to adjust things to get your airplane back in rig. If you need to start tweaking the lift struts and forks, there are some helpful tips you should know but now is not the time... you need to check a few things first and then see what you've got. Work through this the right way and your airplane should fly level in cruise, in smooth air, without a heavy wing. Let us know what you find when you check the ailerons left and right with the stick centered and secured in place. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447956#447956 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.