---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/27/15: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:33 AM - Re: Big wheel rims (Semih Oksay) 2. 04:29 AM - Re: Big wheel rims (Greg Cardinal) 3. 04:32 AM - Re: Big wheel rims (Boatright, Jeffrey) 4. 11:53 AM - Rudder Bar Mod (Jack) 5. 12:19 PM - Re: Big wheel rims (Jeff Boatright) 6. 09:07 PM - Re: Rudder Bar Mod (taildrags) 7. 09:26 PM - Re: Rudder Bar Mod (taildrags) 8. 11:23 PM - Re: Re: Big wheel rims (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:03 AM PST US From: Semih Oksay Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big wheel rims Hi All also =8BI am on the verge of building my wheels and I decided on 3.50"x18" tires. However, I think motorcycle tires are not sized lile car tires, ie. for cars, width is given in millimeters and rim diameter in inches. I presume for motorcycle tires they are both given in inches. The question: what size rim for 3.5"x18" tire? I am pretty sure 3.5" is not the rim width. Regards and happy landings Semih 2015-10-26 16:23 GMT+02:00 Jeff Boatright : > jeffboatright@emory.edu> > > Hi All, > > I am building up wire wheels. I am purchasing 40-spoke hubs from Ken > Perkins. I am now exploring two things: Rims and brakes. I've read the > archives, but am open to any further information listers may have. > > As to rims, most everyone seems to use WM2 or WM3 (1.85" or 2.15" width, > respectively). My understanding is that the "WM" specification is an olde r > rim profile. Such rims are over twice as expensive as more modern ones. I s > there a reason not to use a conventional, flat style front rim, something > like: > > > http://www.motoparthub.com/52_0203_VTwin_40_Spoke_21_X_185_Rim_Front_Conv entional?src=Google&gclid=CKS_4L_R3MgCFVUTHwodkHwDYw > > or even cheaper: > > > http://www.motorcyclepartsmegastore.com/chrome-steel-rim-2-50-x-19-front- 40-spoke-drop-center-rpls-hd-43001-79.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium =shopping&gclid=CJKk87yh4MgCFZYkgQod5aQKPQ > > Thanks for any input, > > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448290#448290 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Semih Oksay ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:45 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Big wheel rims Semih, The tires used on NX18235 are 3.50 X 19 and the rims are stamped 1.85. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Semih Oksay Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 2:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big wheel rims Hi All also =8BI am on the verge of building my wheels and I decided on 3.50"x18" tires. However, I think motorcycle tires are not sized lile car tires, ie. for cars, width is given in millimeters and rim diameter in inches. I presume for motorcycle tires they are both given in inches. The question: what size rim for 3.5"x18" tire? I am pretty sure 3.5" is not the rim width. Regards and happy landings Semih 2015-10-26 16:23 GMT+02:00 Jeff Boatright >: > Hi All, I am building up wire wheels. I am purchasing 40-spoke hubs from Ken Perkins. I am now exploring two things: Rims and brakes. I've read the archives, but am open to any further information listers may have. As to rims, most everyone seems to use WM2 or WM3 (1.85" or 2.15" width, respectively). My understanding is that the "WM" specification is an older rim profile. Such rims are over twice as expensive as more modern ones. Is there a reason not to use a conventional, flat style front rim, something like: http://www.motoparthub.com/52_0203_VTwin_40_Spoke_21_X_185_Rim_Front_Conv entional?src=Google &gclid=CKS_4L_R3MgCFVUTHwodkHwDYw or even cheaper: http://www.motorcyclepartsmegastore.com/chrome-steel-rim-2-50-x-19-front- 40-spoke-drop-center-rpls-hd-43001-79.html?utm_source=google &utm_medium=shopping&gclid=CJKk87yh4MgCFZYkgQod5aQKPQ Thanks for any input, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448290#448290 br> enpol-List" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - _blank" rel="noreferrer">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Semih Oksay ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:26 AM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big wheel rims 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11:53:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar Mod From: Jack Awhile back, Jack Phillips shared his rudder bar incident and modification. Does anyone have pictures or an illustration of this mod? Thanks! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big wheel rims From: "Jeff Boatright" Hi Tools, Gah! The performance of Matronics irks me some times. For whatever reason, about half of your replies never make it to my inbox. In any event, do you know if the bog stock HD wheels will fit a 1.5 inch axle? An issue I ran into with several motorcycle wheels is that the biggest diameter axle they fit is 1.25". Thanks, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448315#448315 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder Bar Mod From: "taildrags" Jack: here's the thread where Jack Phillips's caution and mod were originally posted: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=16758078&highlight=caution -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448319#448319 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder Bar Mod From: "taildrags" Oops... I guess I posted everything *but* an answer to your question, which should have been something like, "I've read through Jack's post and the responses that followed, but never saw an illustration or a photo showing the additional brace that he describes". However, if you look at Drawing No. 4 of your Piet plans, middle of the page is "Top View of Control Assembly" and you'll see that there is a single asymmetrically-placed, 1/2" 20 ga. tubular rudder bar pivot brace kicking over to the starboard side from under the nut on the pivot bolt. If I'm reading the responses to Jack's caution correctly, a matching brace over to the port side would help steady the assembly. A builder could get elaborate and make a small tab to mount onto the pivot bolt and then slot the ends of two tubular braces and weld them onto the tab instead of stacking flattened ends of tubes onto the bolt, but then again it could also be fabricated out of pieces of angle or any of a dozen other ways. If one wanted to get truly artistic (Douwe-?), a piece of tube could be shaped into a semicircle, then the ends and center flattened, and angles bent into it to form a single symmetrical semicircular brace piece. Too much trouble though ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448320#448320 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:20 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big wheel rims I made my own mods but not for wire. Others here have made or acquired custom hubs. Is there enough meat to bore the hole bigger? Clif 1. There are two kinds of people in this world: 1)Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data > > In any event, do you know if the bog stock HD wheels will fit a 1.5 inch > axle? An issue I ran into with several motorcycle wheels is that the > biggest diameter axle they fit is 1.25". > > Thanks, > > Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.