---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/30/15: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:53 AM - Re: Re: Split gear question (Jack) 2. 02:51 PM - Tailwheel Springs (Steven Dortch) 3. 03:30 PM - Re: Tailwheel Springs (Gary Boothe) 4. 05:24 PM - Finally on the Gear! (Jack Textor) 5. 06:10 PM - Re: Tailwheel Springs (taildrags) 6. 06:13 PM - Re: Finally on the Gear! (taildrags) 7. 07:41 PM - Re: Tailwheel Springs (Ray Krause) 8. 07:56 PM - Re: Tailwheel Springs (Gary Boothe) 9. 08:01 PM - Re: Emergency checklist s (taildrags) 10. 08:14 PM - Re: Tailwheel Springs (Ray Krause) 11. 09:55 PM - Re: Tailwheel Springs (Steven Dortch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Split gear question From: Jack Thanks Bill I always appreciate your thoughtful comments. I noticed the 2 hole drawing as well. When fabricating the gear I delayed drilling the bottom holes until fitting up now. Glad I did, it's a pretty tight fit. Seems many of the "fit-ups" vary with the temp and moisture content of the wood... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:16 PM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > > Jack, > While the detail is not truly clear (seems like almost every other part on this gear is called a "lug",) my guess is that the special hole for the left front fitting is there because the 1/4" thick "lug" that is welded to the bracket (and also welded to the 3/4" round "lug") will end up covering one of the 3/16" dia holes. The left and right bracket weldments are not really mirror images of each other. On the right gear, the 1/4" thick lug is mounted at the front end of the 3/4" round lug, whereas, on the left gear it is mounted at the rear of the round lug (a difference of 1".) In the attached photo, I've circled the left bracket, and it sure looks like the rear 3/16" hole would not be accessible. > As for why the hole is 1/4", and not 3/16", it is probably to allow a "beefed-up" fastener (1/4" dia) to be used, to compensate for the less than ideal, non-symmetric fastener location. This bolt will be subjected to higher loads than the locations marked for 3/16" holes. > > Curiously, if you look at the drawing, the rear left bracket is drawn with only one bolt shown. Pretty sure that is simply an accidentally omitted detail - there should be two bolts shown. > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448371#448371 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/gear_650.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Springs From: Steven Dortch Should I attach a spring setup between my tailwheel control arm and the tab on the fuselage? The idea is that it would dampen shimmy.. The tab is directly above the spring in the photos. Blue Skies Steve D ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:57 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Springs Steve, My current setup is similar (without dampening springs), and I have absolutely no shimmy. Note the eyebolt, an idea I got from Mike Cuy. My main gear is only 52=9D wide, and this tailwheel (my second setup) has saved some pretty sorry-assed landings! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Springs Should I attach a spring setup between my tailwheel control arm and the tab on the fuselage? The idea is that it would dampen shimmy.. The tab is directly above the spring in the photos. Blue Skies Steve D ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:44 PM PST US From: "Jack Textor" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Finally on the Gear! Kind of fun times! Long way to go. Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA 515-490-5177 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel Springs From: "taildrags" Steve; my tailwheel setup has the same springs and short lengths of chain as in the other photos. Never a hint of shimmy. As a result of this, I have never made a bad landing in all the time I've been flying the Piet. Well, maybe there was just the one time... -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448400#448400 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Finally on the Gear! From: "taildrags" Beautiful work, Jack! That must have been a lot of work to make the lightening holes in the turtledeck formers. However, I would have used a bit of restraint when making holes in the formers all the way up close to the top of the rear cockpit. I find myself bracing myself with a hand, or even sometimes sitting on the edge of the rear cockpit, while getting in or out. Probably not an issue though. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448402#448402 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:45 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Springs Gary, Is the eye bolt the attach point for carrier landing hook? Ray Sent from my iPad > On Oct 30, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Steve, > > My current setup is similar (without dampening springs), and I have absolu tely no shimmy. Note the eyebolt, an idea I got from Mike Cuy. My main gear i s only 52=9D wide, and this tailwheel (my second setup) has saved some pretty sorry-assed landings! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:50 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Springs > > Should I attach a spring setup between my tailwheel control arm and the ta b on the fuselage? The idea is that it would dampen shimmy.. The tab is dire ctly above the spring in the photos. > > Blue Skies > Steve D > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:31 PM PST US From: Gary Boothe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Springs Ha! It sure is handy in our world of pavement and tie-down chains! Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > > Gary, > > Is the eye bolt the attach point for carrier landing hook? > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 30, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: >> >> Steve, >> >> My current setup is similar (without dampening springs), and I have absol utely no shimmy. Note the eyebolt, an idea I got from Mike Cuy. My main gear is only 52=9D wide, and this tailwheel (my second setup) has saved so me pretty sorry-assed landings! >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch >> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:50 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Springs >> >> Should I attach a spring setup between my tailwheel control arm and the t ab on the fuselage? The idea is that it would dampen shimmy.. The tab is dir ectly above the spring in the photos. >> >> Blue Skies >> Steve D >> >> >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Emergency checklist s From: "taildrags" Steve; This is likely to get me booted off the list, but at this point I've got nothing to lose except my pride and a few friends. I don't have any printed checklists for Air Camper NX41CC. I'll admit that I'm not military or ex-military, never been a corporate pilot, never flown anything bigger or heavier than a turbo Seneca and the only jet I've flown was a Prowler simulator, so maybe I don't deserve to fly in airspace with real pilots, but I've scratched my head and haven't come up with enough things to put on a checklist for a no-electrics, no-radios, no-nothing know-nothing like me and Scout. What I learned in my early years of flying a hand-prop 40HP Cub was CIGARS and that was it. Seems to be all I need for the Piet. C-ontrols free, correct, and full travel. I-nstruments set (altimeter is all I've got that's adjustable). G-as turned on. A-ttitude (no trim on my airplane, but I check "my" attitude) R-unup. S-afety (seatbelts secured, nothing loose in the cockpit). On downwind there isn't much to check. If I stretched it to a GUMPS mnemonic checklist, if the Gas wasn't on, I wouldn't be flying; there is no Undercarriage to lower; no Manifold pressure adjustment; no Prop adjustment; and that just leaves Safety checks. Don't need a checklist for that. Carb heat is the one thing I've always got to manage, but that's it. I'm sure there are good speeds to be aware of when flying this airplane and I don't mean to make light of it, but the airspeed range of my Air Camper from stall to Vne is only something like 60 MPH and if I'm flying it in a stable configuration, I'm in the middle of that range and everything is pretty good. I could probably squeeze a little extra glide out of it if I held best glide instead of 5-7 MPH either side of it, but it's more work to watch the airspeed indicator to make that happen than it is to keep my head out of the cockpit looking for a good place to land. I'd lose more altitude fumbling around looking for a checklist to nail a best glide speed than I would just flying the airplane to a decent landing spot. Checklists are good and they are necessary. My last biennial flight review was in an airplane with a full glass cockpit and 13 fuel sump points to check. Backup steam gauge instruments, electric system, radios, dozens of switches and breakers, lights, and checklists for everything under the sun. No GUMPS, no CIGARS... you fly these airplanes by the checklists and I get that. I'm just not sure what you could put on a Piet checklist (no electrics, no radios) that you don't already know. I would duck for cover after coming out as a checklist heretic but it gets harder the older I get so maybe I'll just take the bullets and see if I survive. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448406#448406 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:48 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Springs Oh yea! Another thought: if the landing is too hard and you manage to straig hten the spring...it becomes a skid! Ray Sent from my iPad > On Oct 30, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Ha! It sure is handy in our world of pavement and tie-down chains! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 30, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Ray Krause wrote : >> >> Gary, >> >> Is the eye bolt the attach point for carrier landing hook? >> >> Ray >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> My current setup is similar (without dampening springs), and I have abso lutely no shimmy. Note the eyebolt, an idea I got from Mike Cuy. My main gea r is only 52=9D wide, and this tailwheel (my second setup) has saved s ome pretty sorry-assed landings! >>> >>> Gary Boothe >>> NX308MB >>> >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol- list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch >>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:50 PM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Springs >>> >>> Should I attach a spring setup between my tailwheel control arm and the t ab on the fuselage? 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They hang loose until I get in and put my feet on the pedals. If I just put my feet flat of the floor I might have a shimmy but I would probably be too engrossed in the ground loop to notice. I will get in and have a buddy check to see what the tension is. I Have been flying an Aeronca Champ and if your springs are loose you are in trouble. Blue Skies, Steve D On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > Oh yea! Another thought: if the landing is too hard and you manage to > straighten the spring...it becomes a skid! > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 30, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Ha! It sure is handy in our world of pavement and tie-down chains! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 30, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Ray Krause wrote : > > Gary, > > Is the eye bolt the attach point for carrier landing hook? > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 30, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Steve, > > > My current setup is similar (without dampening springs), and I have > absolutely no shimmy. Note the eyebolt, an idea I got from Mike Cuy. My > main gear is only 52=9D wide, and this tailwheel (my second setup) has saved > some pretty sorry-assed landings! > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Steven Dortch > *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2015 2:50 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel Springs > > > Should I attach a spring setup between my tailwheel control arm and the > tab on the fuselage? 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