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0. 01:06 AM - PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! (Matt Dralle)
1. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: TC Piet progress (Jack Philips)
2. 11:15 AM - Re: TC Piet progress (taildrags)
3. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: TC Piet progress (Steven Dortch)
4. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: TC Piet progress (Ray Krause)
5. 09:52 PM - Re: the unleaded ethanol report (macz@peak.org)
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| Subject: | Re: TC Piet progress |
Ray, An ELT is required whether or not you have an electrical system.
Check out FAR 91.207. I don't agree with it (I think the sum total of
pilots and passengers that have been saved by their ELT is zero), but that's
the law. I have one in my Pietenpol, even though like you I have a 12 v
battery but no way to charge it in flight.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TC Piet progress
--> <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
Oscar,
Although I have a 12V battery, I have no starter, generator or "electrical
system"; so no ELT needed (?). The strip looks more complicated than it is
because I have and old style mag switch that I use as a "master switch" to
power the strip. All the battery does is power the oil pressure and temp
gauges and a cigarette lighter outlet on the panel. The gauges were sent to
me by mistake when I ordered mechanical gauges, so I just used them. So the
mag switches and the OT and OP gauges are all that are connected from the
bar strip to the engine. Of course, there is the ground lug. I think the
ground for the Eisemann mags is separate from the ground for the OT, OP and
cig lighter which will be used for the radio....I hope. To pull the engine I
just have to disconnect four wires from the bar strip, the throttle and carb
heat cable and the fuel line. Then remove the four motor mount bolts from
the fuselage and hoist the engine off. This will only be necessary if I
can't fix t!
he problem through the hole in the firewall (which is covered by the
battery box).
The "best laid plans of men....." It might all work about as well as your
firewall plan!
Thanks for the comments. That's what makes this forum so much fun!
Ray Krause
Almost finished taping the last wing half on the SkyScout.
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 31, 2015, at 8:09 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> --> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Ray: interesting to see the barrier strip for wiring on your firewall. I
have a similar setup, but fewer wires. Picture here:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75final002.jpg
>
> I have a grounding stud on the metal firewall, lock-nutted both sides of
the metal, and I landed the braided shields of the ignition switch wires on
the barrier strip and then a common ground to the stud. I ran a flexible
braided grounding strap from the engine block to the same stud so everything
should be at the same ground potential. I don't have ignition noise on the
radio, so it must be doing some good. In the picture there is a piece of
blue tape (temporary) on the firewall just below the terminal strip where I
marked all the wires when I was doing the hookup.
>
> Also in that photo on my webpage, note that I attempted to fabricate the
metal firewall in two sections joined by a conventional standing seam. The
intent was to make the lower section removable to give me easier access to
the area under the fuel tank and up by the passenger's rudder pedals, but I
didn't think far enough ahead and when everything was mounted, it became
evident that I needed to trim the firewall around the lower engine mounts
and cowling mount 'horns', but by then it was too late and the lower section
of the firewall was as locked in as the rest of it is. I guess I could go
back and trim around the engine mounts and anything else that captures that
section of the firewall, but a certain amount of laziness has set in. I
still have it in me to crawl down into the front cockpit when I have to,
although it's no fun and I too have almost gotten myself stuck down in
there. Then I remembered the movie "127 Hours" and made a tremendous effort
to get myself out !
of!
> there quickly before I had to cut something off to get back out ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448431#448431
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TC Piet progress |
Ah, but Jack- you forget that Ray is building a Sky Scout. FAR 91.207 specifically
excludes single-place aircraft from the ELT requirement ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448548#448548
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| Subject: | Re: TC Piet progress |
I wish the faa would catch up with the technology and allow PLBs. Small,
light, affordable and efficient.
On Nov 1, 2015 1:04 PM, "Jack Philips" <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:
> jack@bedfordlandings.com>
>
> Ray, An ELT is required whether or not you have an electrical system.
> Check out FAR 91.207. I don't agree with it (I think the sum total of
> pilots and passengers that have been saved by their ELT is zero), but
> that's
> the law. I have one in my Pietenpol, even though like you I have a 12 v
> battery but no way to charge it in flight.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 12:40 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TC Piet progress
>
> --> <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>
> Oscar,
>
> Although I have a 12V battery, I have no starter, generator or "electrical
> system"; so no ELT needed (?). The strip looks more complicated than it is
> because I have and old style mag switch that I use as a "master switch" to
> power the strip. All the battery does is power the oil pressure and temp
> gauges and a cigarette lighter outlet on the panel. The gauges were sent
> to
> me by mistake when I ordered mechanical gauges, so I just used them. So the
> mag switches and the OT and OP gauges are all that are connected from the
> bar strip to the engine. Of course, there is the ground lug. I think the
> ground for the Eisemann mags is separate from the ground for the OT, OP and
> cig lighter which will be used for the radio....I hope. To pull the engine
> I
> just have to disconnect four wires from the bar strip, the throttle and
> carb
> heat cable and the fuel line. Then remove the four motor mount bolts from
> the fuselage and hoist the engine off. This will only be necessary if I
> can't fix t!
> he problem through the hole in the firewall (which is covered by the
> battery box).
>
> The "best laid plans of men....." It might all work about as well as your
> firewall plan!
>
> Thanks for the comments. That's what makes this forum so much fun!
>
> Ray Krause
> Almost finished taping the last wing half on the SkyScout.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 31, 2015, at 8:09 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > --> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Ray: interesting to see the barrier strip for wiring on your firewall. I
> have a similar setup, but fewer wires. Picture here:
> >
> > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75final002.jpg
> >
> > I have a grounding stud on the metal firewall, lock-nutted both sides of
> the metal, and I landed the braided shields of the ignition switch wires on
> the barrier strip and then a common ground to the stud. I ran a flexible
> braided grounding strap from the engine block to the same stud so
> everything
> should be at the same ground potential. I don't have ignition noise on the
> radio, so it must be doing some good. In the picture there is a piece of
> blue tape (temporary) on the firewall just below the terminal strip where I
> marked all the wires when I was doing the hookup.
> >
> > Also in that photo on my webpage, note that I attempted to fabricate the
> metal firewall in two sections joined by a conventional standing seam. The
> intent was to make the lower section removable to give me easier access to
> the area under the fuel tank and up by the passenger's rudder pedals, but I
> didn't think far enough ahead and when everything was mounted, it became
> evident that I needed to trim the firewall around the lower engine mounts
> and cowling mount 'horns', but by then it was too late and the lower
> section
> of the firewall was as locked in as the rest of it is. I guess I could go
> back and trim around the engine mounts and anything else that captures that
> section of the firewall, but a certain amount of laziness has set in. I
> still have it in me to crawl down into the front cockpit when I have to,
> although it's no fun and I too have almost gotten myself stuck down in
> there. Then I remembered the movie "127 Hours" and made a tremendous
> effort
> to get myself out !
> of!
> > there quickly before I had to cut something off to get back out ;o)
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448431#448431
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TC Piet progress |
Jack,
Thanks, I was wrong (my wife thinks I never have said that!). I had not referenced
the actual FAR, I was just going on faulty memory or hearsay.
And thanks to Oscar for pointing out the exception that applies to my SkyScout.
I do carry a "personal locator beacon" with me when flying, especially in the
Waiex. Can't seem to remember it when in the Aeronca. I plan to use it in the
SkyScout, but I may never get more than 20 miles from home base. But then, around
here, that's far enough away to be lost!
Thanks to all, I really appreciate all the help,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 1, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Jack Philips <jack@bedfordlandings.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ray, An ELT is required whether or not you have an electrical system.
> Check out FAR 91.207. I don't agree with it (I think the sum total of
> pilots and passengers that have been saved by their ELT is zero), but that's
> the law. I have one in my Pietenpol, even though like you I have a 12 v
> battery but no way to charge it in flight.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 12:40 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TC Piet progress
>
> --> <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>
> Oscar,
>
> Although I have a 12V battery, I have no starter, generator or "electrical
> system"; so no ELT needed (?). The strip looks more complicated than it is
> because I have and old style mag switch that I use as a "master switch" to
> power the strip. All the battery does is power the oil pressure and temp
> gauges and a cigarette lighter outlet on the panel. The gauges were sent to
> me by mistake when I ordered mechanical gauges, so I just used them. So the
> mag switches and the OT and OP gauges are all that are connected from the
> bar strip to the engine. Of course, there is the ground lug. I think the
> ground for the Eisemann mags is separate from the ground for the OT, OP and
> cig lighter which will be used for the radio....I hope. To pull the engine I
> just have to disconnect four wires from the bar strip, the throttle and carb
> heat cable and the fuel line. Then remove the four motor mount bolts from
> the fuselage and hoist the engine off. This will only be necessary if I
> can't fix t!
> he problem through the hole in the firewall (which is covered by the
> battery box).
>
> The "best laid plans of men....." It might all work about as well as your
> firewall plan!
>
> Thanks for the comments. That's what makes this forum so much fun!
>
> Ray Krause
> Almost finished taping the last wing half on the SkyScout.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 8:09 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> --> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Ray: interesting to see the barrier strip for wiring on your firewall. I
> have a similar setup, but fewer wires. Picture here:
>>
>> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75final002.jpg
>>
>> I have a grounding stud on the metal firewall, lock-nutted both sides of
> the metal, and I landed the braided shields of the ignition switch wires on
> the barrier strip and then a common ground to the stud. I ran a flexible
> braided grounding strap from the engine block to the same stud so everything
> should be at the same ground potential. I don't have ignition noise on the
> radio, so it must be doing some good. In the picture there is a piece of
> blue tape (temporary) on the firewall just below the terminal strip where I
> marked all the wires when I was doing the hookup.
>>
>> Also in that photo on my webpage, note that I attempted to fabricate the
> metal firewall in two sections joined by a conventional standing seam. The
> intent was to make the lower section removable to give me easier access to
> the area under the fuel tank and up by the passenger's rudder pedals, but I
> didn't think far enough ahead and when everything was mounted, it became
> evident that I needed to trim the firewall around the lower engine mounts
> and cowling mount 'horns', but by then it was too late and the lower section
> of the firewall was as locked in as the rest of it is. I guess I could go
> back and trim around the engine mounts and anything else that captures that
> section of the firewall, but a certain amount of laziness has set in. I
> still have it in me to crawl down into the front cockpit when I have to,
> although it's no fun and I too have almost gotten myself stuck down in
> there. Then I remembered the movie "127 Hours" and made a tremendous effort
> to get myself out !
> of!
>> there quickly before I had to cut something off to get back out ;o)
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=448431#448431
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the unleaded ethanol report |
Steven--
I second your comment that making food into fuel is stupid. With a third of US
children undernourished, and well over half of the other people on this planet
starving, it is not surprising that lots of folks have a poor opinion of Americans.
And on top of that, we little people are subsidizing the cost of producing
the alcohol.
--Mac in Newport
From: "Steven Dortch" <steven.d.dortch@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:21:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: the unleaded ethanol report
Well, I have had the opportunity to run various fuels in two of my vehicles.
Drumroll please:
My 1989 Chevy Suburban with a 350 V8 2WD got somewhat better gas mileage with 100%
gas vs 10% ethanol with a mix of town and highway driving.. Actually 16 MPG
with pure gas and just under 14 with 10% ethanol. Not enough difference to make
up the 45 cent difference in price.
My 2013 Ford Explorer 4wd. has somewhat similar results with one slight change.
On pure gas I got just under 23MPG but that was highway driving with a car topper
and hitch rack into a 20-30 MPH wind.
On E10 I got 20 to 21 MPG with more into town driving than highway driving.
On E85 I got 18 MPG with a mix of in town and highway driving.
The E85 was $1.339 the E10 was $1.999 and the Pure gas was $2.499. So per mile
E85 was the cost per mile. Except that the $1.339 E85 was only at one gas station
I happened upon. Everywhere else in San Antonio it is more expensive than
E10. When I go to Oklahoma again I will get pure gas and see what it does without
the cartopper and headwind.
Please note the Pure gas I bought was in Oklahoma where it is plentiful. It is
not available here in Texas.
I still think turning food into fuel is stupid.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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