---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/16/15: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 10:04 AM - List Contribution - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle) 1. 07:31 AM - Re: Arizona Piet (AircamperN11MS) 2. 08:22 AM - Sun n Fun 2016 Project (dgaldrich) 3. 09:28 AM - Re: Sun n Fun 2016 Project (Tony Crawford) 4. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Pic of pic of Dan's airplane (Ray Krause) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:14 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: List Contribution - Value of the List... If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to think of it, you do... :-) Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these Lists? http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!! Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Arizona Piet From: "AircamperN11MS" Hello Don, Looks like you posted a few days ago. There was a Piet in the Verde Valley. It was at Camp Verde. I remember that it was a fairly nice one. It was hangared there, Maybe still is. I can give you a contact name offline of a friend of mine who lives on the airport. He should be able to tell you if the plane is still there. I haven't been there in about five years. Welcome to the list. Don't forget to check out the best Pietenpol referance site out there. Our good friend Chris Tracy has put a lot of effort in building this site, and it is a great resource. www.westcoastpiet.com There is a Piet gathering on the west coast as well. It is near Hollister CA on the first Sat. of June. Some of us arrive on Friday and most leave Sunday morning. Great grass airport and on field camping. You can catch more details on this site in April or May when it gets closer. We had some guys come from the Flagstaff area last year. Maybe you could hook up with them? I'm sure there are other Piets closer to you. You could try searching the FAA website for them. You are always welcome to come look at mine in Lancaster CA. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449517#449517 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun 2016 Project From: "dgaldrich" Hello all and especially new members/builders The wood demonstration shop that builds projects at Sun n Fun is looking for a lucky individual who wants a head start and some hands-on experience working with wood. Here's the deal. We have enough nice Douglas Fir and Okoume plywood to build a complete fuselage OR we have enough to build several sets of tail feathers. If you are a new builder who wants to learn the fine art of wood aircraft construction under the experienced tutelage of Skip Gadd, Ben Charvet, and the rest of the usual suspects, let us know and we can help. Our preference is to have you there for at least part of the time but that is not a requirement. The only other requirement is that it's an as-is, where-is deal. You've got to provide your own transportation back home. I will be driving from Florida to Maine in early June and if you live close to the I-95 corridor, I can deliver but other than that, you're on your own. We are not locked in to fuselage or tail feathers and if you have some other ideas, we are willing to consider them. For example, if you have the wing spars and ribs ready for assembly, we could probably do that. Contact Skip, Ben, or myself for further information. Dave Aldrich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449519#449519 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun 2016 Project From: Tony Crawford Hi, Skip and company Built my Fin and rudder last year! It's awesome. So, I was wondering if you WOOD like to build my Horizontal Stab and my Elevators?? Tony On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:21 AM, dgaldrich wrote: > dgaldrich@embarqmail.com> > > Hello all and especially new members/builders > > The wood demonstration shop that builds projects at Sun n Fun is looking > for a lucky individual who wants a head start and some hands-on experience > working with wood. > > Here's the deal. We have enough nice Douglas Fir and Okoume plywood to > build a complete fuselage OR we have enough to build several sets of tail > feathers. If you are a new builder who wants to learn the fine art of wood > aircraft construction under the experienced tutelage of Skip Gadd, Ben > Charvet, and the rest of the usual suspects, let us know and we can help. > Our preference is to have you there for at least part of the time but that > is not a requirement. The only other requirement is that it's an as-is, > where-is deal. You've got to provide your own transportation back home. > I will be driving from Florida to Maine in early June and if you live close > to the I-95 corridor, I can deliver but other than that, you're on your own. > > We are not locked in to fuselage or tail feathers and if you have some > other ideas, we are willing to consider them. For example, if you have the > wing spars and ribs ready for assembly, we could probably do that. > > Contact Skip, Ben, or myself for further information. > > Dave Aldrich > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449519#449519 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:57 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pic of pic of Dan's airplane Oscar, Thanks for taking the time to post your observations on Don's beautiful Piet. It takes a lot of time to make the observations AND write the letter. Your observations are excellent and, I'm sure, helpful to many builders...including me! I had the privilege of seeing Don's beautiful plane and meeting him at Brodhead this Summer! What a beautiful plane and fine gentleman. I took many pictures of his plane and stole many ideas from him for my build! Other ideas will have to wait for my next build. Someday I hope to post something in the newsletter about my trials and tribulations building my Sky Scout. It may trigger a lot of conversations about "alternate methods" that may have been better. I also admire William Wynn's way of sometimes pointing out potential problems that may lead to possible undesirable results. All comments are helpful when done in a constructive way. That is one of the benefits of this forum! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:41 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > I always hate to waste an opportunity to look closely at a photo and pick out interesting details. Since the list has been so slow lately, I'll pick out a few things that I see on the pic of Dan's beautiful airplane and post them here for comment. > > First, the prop. It's not at all evident from the magazine photo (all you see is a black blob where the prop is), but Dan's Ford swings a really nice hand-carved semi-scimitar with a dark wood finish. Beautiful piece of work and I'm sure that the rest of you who have hand-carved and flown your own prop can agree that it's a very satisfying feeling to fly behind what used to be a bunch of glued-together boards and have it pull you through the air as pretty as you please! I would encourage you who have (Gary Boothe has made several, for example) to write about it in the BPA Newsletter. It's something that can be done in a relatively small and warm work space during the winter and the result is pleasing whether it goes on the plane or on the wall. > > The fuel level indicator on Dan's plane is pretty obvious, and there has been quite a bit of chatter on this list about different ways of constructing a sight gauge for a centersection wing tank. Dan seems to have a Stearman-style gauge sticking out the bottom of the tank but I don't know the particulars. He may have made his after the fashion of Larry "Top Curmudgeon" Williams's and in fact, I seem to remember something about Dan taking over the lofty perch of Top Curmudgeon himself. I couldn't find a specific photo of Larry's gauge on Westcoastpiet.com but boy was it fun going through the photos of Larry's plane to see if I could find them! I guess I never realized that Larry's centersection flop is offset to the port side by about a foot, but take a look: > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Larry%20Williams/images/43_overhead_compartment.jpg . > > He could stash a couple of bottles of iced tea up there in the wing along with a jumbo order of hot wings, some napkins, some jelly rolls for dessert, tie-downs, a quart of Aeroshell 50, and (for you Ford flyers)- some bottles of engine coolant. > > Now take a look out near the wingtips. There are a pair of inspection covers out near the ends of the wings. Hmmm... what are they for? No pulleys out there, no pitot tubing, nothing adjustable. Aha! The wing internal x-brace cables are attached out there, and you need to look at those points at annual inspection. Don't forget those! > > Wing tie-downs. Dan's airplane doesn't seem to have them, I know my airplane doesn't, so we just loop the ropes over the ends of the strut fittings and snug them down. However, I would hate to have to run tiedown *chains* over my strut ends! A good thing to add to your wings if you're still in the planning and building stage! Anybody seen good ways to do wing tiedowns? Write it up for the BPA Newsletter! > > Back at the tail, the picture gets a bit muddy but there are the elevator cables, touching the leading edges of the horizontal stabilizers just like a good Air Camper should. My A&P still winces when he looks at mine, but I showed him the pictures and he agrees that it's normal for the bottom cables to go slack and the top ones to touch the leading edges ;o) > > Back up to the engine, I think Dan said he had to experiment with the coolant lines going to the radiator, but maybe I'm thinking of somebody else. The steam relief line from the top/front of the head is essential, which is obvious when you view the airplane in the 3-point attitude and realize that the top of the engine is well above the level of the hose going to the radiator from the rear of the engine and that steam (and air) will get trapped at the top if a second line is not provided. I can't speak from any experience about coolant, thermostats, overflow recovery tanks, or anything having to do with water-cooled engines on Piets but considering that they've been flying for 85 years on hundreds of Air Campers, it can't be a complete mystery... > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449512#449512 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.