---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/31/15: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:03 AM - Happy new year and snowy r/c Piet (M W Stanley) 2. 06:09 AM - GPS (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 08:39 AM - Re: GPS (AircamperN11MS) 4. 08:55 AM - Re: GPS (Steven Dortch) 5. 09:34 AM - New Year (oldbird) 6. 05:25 PM - Fw: AeroElectric-List: Fw: Fw: Matt Dralle (list admin) (Jack) 7. 09:28 PM - Re: Fw: AeroElectric-List: Fw: Fw: Matt Dralle (list admin) (taildrags) 8. 09:52 PM - Re: GPS (taildrags) 9. 10:32 PM - Re: Re: GPS (Boatright, Jeffrey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:37 AM PST US From: "M W Stanley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy new year and snowy r/c Piet Hi Pieters, I have to go away for a few days but since the list is fairly quiet, I just want to wish a happy and safe new year (and the rest of the year!) to everybody on the list even though I am a fraction early saying so. Also, since there is some snow around some places, I thought I would post a pic from last year of my little r/c Piet on it's skis. The Piet is now a bit over 14 years old and is still getting flown most weekends. Like most Piets, it is very long lived and fly's just great! Cheers to you all from Japan. Mark S ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:23 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: GPS Hey Scott, I used to attach my Garmin to a mount that (with a slight wooden adaptor piece) clamped onto the top longeron in the cockpit. It would put the Garmin up front on the right, just over the coaming and really worked well. Can't remember the company's name that made the mount, but it's the big one that everyone uses. They make like a million styles. On my long flights, I started with the garmin 196 gps, and foreflight on my iphone as a backup and a chart as a back-backup. After two 196's puked out, and a couple years using the iphone, the Garmin went away and the iphone is the main GPS. I made a little sheet metal bracket that slips under the coaming stitching right in front of me so the iphone is right in front of my face. The chart is folded away as backup. Three years now, never had foreflight puke out on the iphone. I HAVE lost the WX capability because that is still tower based. By the way, where is your plane based? It think I might be driving past you on my way from KY to L.A. next week. Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GPS From: "AircamperN11MS" Douwe, I live in Quartz hill and I have the plane at Fox Field in Lancaster. Just 4.8 sm from front door to the hangar door. I would love to meet you if we have the chance. I do work in LA. Just below Dodger stadium. Here is my Cell if you want to call. 661-400-1876 I think I am going to throw the old GPS overboard in the near future. :) -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451572#451572 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GPS From: Steven Dortch On the CSOB side: I have used an old 4 inch garmin automobile GPS as backup to my map skills with VORs. It has most airports and I set it to off-road. It points to the selected airport and has a moving map with all roads, towns and water. I have also used a cheap Magellan 200 hiking GPS as backup. It also has a tiny map, with airports, major roads and big bodies of water. It also has a HSI style display that displays heading, bearing, distance and ETA. However, it is getting pretty old and freezes up or turns off sometimes. I set one on map the other on HSI and follow with the sectional, compass and VORs. On the non CSOB side: My mini tablet 7 in. Anywhere freedom program displays a moving sectional, alerts me to airspace, can download current weather on the map just before flight, alerts me to towers, gives me frequencies, has a quick nearest to feature and so on. The lifetime subscription I bought has lifetime sectionals and airport info. There is a much cheaper annual subscription. Very similar to foreflight and several other programs. Note, I always follow with a paper sectional or state aviation map. Long ago I was young, lazy and trusted a LORAN that malfunctioned and it got me very lost. I found myself, but I don't trust gadgets anymore. I use them and follow with the sectional. Blue skies, Steve D On Dec 31, 2015 8:11 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > > Hey Scott, > > > I used to attach my Garmin to a mount that (with a slight wooden adaptor piece) clamped onto the top longeron in the cockpit. It would put the Garmin up front on the right, just over the coaming and really worked well. Can=99t remember the company=99s name that made the moun t, but it=99s the big one that everyone uses. They make like a million styles. > > > On my long flights, I started with the garmin 196 gps, and foreflight on my iphone as a backup and a chart as a back-backup. After two 196=99 s puked out, and a couple years using the iphone, the Garmin went away and the iphone is the main GPS. I made a little sheet metal bracket that slips under the coaming stitching right in front of me so the iphone is right in front of my face. The chart is folded away as backup. > > > Three years now, never had foreflight puke out on the iphone. I HAVE lost the WX capability because that is still tower based. > > > By the way, where is your plane based? It think I might be driving past you on my way from KY to L.A. next week. > > > Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Year From: "oldbird" Happy new year and merry Christmas to all Pietenpol builders and ex-builders(flyers). Semih Oksay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451579#451579 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: Fwd: Matt Dralle (list admin) From: Jack -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: Fwd: Matt Dralle (list admin) From: Charlie England Retrying to a single list each time; first attempt at multiple lists seems to have failed. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Matt Dralle (list admin) From: Charlie England , kolb-list@matronics.com Just saw a post on the VAF forum that Matt had a stroke yesterday. The post quoted his facebook page: /Matt Update: He is responding to comments being made by squeezing Katie's hand and he was able to answer his age by using his one hand. All early indicators are that he is doing ok. Katie sends her thanks for the prayers and that they are definitely helping. / Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers, and remember that he won't be able to deal with list maintenance issues for some time. I'm trying to send this to the RV, aeroelectric, and kolb lists. If you're a member of additional lists, it might be good to pass it on. Charlie ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: Fwd: Matt Dralle (list admin) From: "taildrags" Oh, my. I certainly hope that Matt pulls through this, and not just for the benefit of us who use these lists. What a way for him to end 2015. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451603#451603 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GPS From: "taildrags" Douwe: would you mind posting a picture of how you have your iPhone set up directly in front of you in the cockpit? That is just about the right distance for me to see something like a map screen clearly while in flight, without having to put on reading glasses. Now if I could just get Siri to understand voice commands like, "Siri, get the current ATIS for me and then switch me to Medford tower", we'd be in business ;o) Having to look down to change frequencies on my little Icom always seems to result in me looking up to find myself in a descending left spiral with increasing airspeed. Why can't I just fly the airplane and forget about the radios?? And Steve, I'm very frugal myself, so I'm always at least one or two generations behind in electronics and phones. I had a hiker/hunter Magellan GPS 2000 after they got superseded by the fancier toys and were available brand-new for cheap. I flew a 3 hour x-c out across eastern Oregon in a Super Cub with nothing but that little gem (and folded sectionals) after I had punched in a direct route to where I was going, and it was incredible to be able to read out groundspeed, ground track (which helped me determine wind correction angle), elapsed time, distance to station, and all that- without trying to use the E6B or anything else in the cockpit. How easily we get spoiled! Now I have a perfectly good Garmin GPSMap 196 that can do everything but mix a perfect martini and everybody is saying it's "so yesterday"??! Having a 196 in the cockpit of an Air Camper is like having a Garmin G1000 dual-display glass panel in a Cessna 150! The panel can do so much more than the airplane can, that you might as well stay home and play with the panel instead of flying an old wood and fabric airplane with that thing in front of you ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451604#451604 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:47 PM PST US From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GPS Hi Oscar, I have a different take on the evolution of technology in the cockpit. The dedicated aviation GPS units are like other avionics that originated in the steam gauge era. They require mental translation into actual and useful guidance. Conversely, apps like ForeFlight and WingX were developed from the moving maps mindset. They are much more like simply holding a chart in your hand and flying by pilotage. Only instead of you trying to follow a line on the chart that you drew during preflight prep, the moving map shows you a similar preplanned course line PLUS a line or ticker or breadcrumb, etc. that represents how you're actually progressing across the ground. These apps are simply electronic vesions of your chart, and thus, I argue, are truer to chart-following pilotage than the old-thinking, dedicated GPS units. Or something like that... Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem > On Jan 1, 2016, at 12:55 AM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > Douwe: would you mind posting a picture of how you have your iPhone set up directly in front of you in the cockpit? That is just about the right distance for me to see something like a map screen clearly while in flight, without having to put on reading glasses. Now if I could just get Siri to understand voice commands like, "Siri, get the current ATIS for me and then switch me to Medford tower", we'd be in business ;o) Having to look down to change frequencies on my little Icom always seems to result in me looking up to find myself in a descending left spiral with increasing airspeed. Why can't I just fly the airplane and forget about the radios?? > > And Steve, I'm very frugal myself, so I'm always at least one or two generations behind in electronics and phones. I had a hiker/hunter Magellan GPS 2000 after they got superseded by the fancier toys and were available brand-new for cheap. I flew a 3 hour x-c out across eastern Oregon in a Super Cub with nothing but that little gem (and folded sectionals) after I had punched in a direct route to where I was going, and it was incredible to be able to read out groundspeed, ground track (which helped me determine wind correction angle), elapsed time, distance to station, and all that- without trying to use the E6B or anything else in the cockpit. How easily we get spoiled! Now I have a perfectly good Garmin GPSMap 196 that can do everything but mix a perfect martini and everybody is saying it's "so yesterday"??! Having a 196 in the cockpit of an Air Camper is like having a Garmin G1000 dual-display glass panel in a Cessna 150! The panel can do so much more than the airpla! > ne can, that you might as well stay home and play with the panel instead of flying an old wood and fabric airplane with that thing in front of you ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451604#451604 > > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. 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