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1. 07:05 AM - Re: GPS (tkreiner)
2. 07:30 AM - carburator overhaul (proplock)
3. 07:41 AM - Re: carburator overhaul (Steven Dortch)
4. 08:42 AM - Re: carburator overhaul (Ben Charvet)
5. 08:50 AM - Re: Re: GPS (Ray Krause)
6. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: GPS (Ray Krause)
7. 09:05 AM - Re: GPS (taildrags)
8. 09:17 AM - Re: carburator overhaul (taildrags)
9. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: carburator overhaul (Steven Dortch)
10. 09:54 AM - Re: carburator overhaul (taildrags)
11. 11:00 AM - Re: carburator overhaul (bradandlinda@tds.net)
12. 07:31 PM - Fw: Kolb-List: Fw: Fw: Matt Dralle (list admin) (Jack)
13. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
14. 11:06 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Oscar,
Ditto, what Jeff stated re: usability of earlier Garmin vs. ForeFlight in the cockpit...
As a CAP Pilot, I attended the G1000 classes, and sorta-kinda learned how to use
today, but forget by morning, which buttons to push, knobs to turn, etc.
On the other hand, the iPad w/ ForeFlight is difficult to forget how to use, as
it was developed as an intuitive human interface. After having planned and flown
dozens of x-c flights here in TX, I wouldn't enter a cockpit without it.
In fact, I use the G430 in the Diamond DA-20 I fly as a radio only, as it, too,
has an ugly interface which requires near constant study to remain GPS proficient.
Happy New Year Blessings to all!
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | carburator overhaul |
Has anyone here overhauled a Bendix Stromberg NAS3A1 carb. using the available
manual? Would i get in over my head doing this? Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
I have watched or helped an old buddy overhaul all sorts of carbs. Not
rocket science, just follow the manual and use good parts.
Make sure you have the most updated manual.
Blue skies
Steve D
On Jan 1, 2016 9:34 AM, "proplock" <proplock@federatedwildblue.com> wrote:
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> Has anyone here overhauled a Bendix Stromberg NAS3A1 carb. using the
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
I did my own 6 years ago. I replaced the float needle with the steel one bought
from Fresno airparts and followed the manual for adjusting the fuel level. Definitely
a no smoking well ventilated sort of project
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> On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:29 AM, proplock <proplock@federatedwildblue.com> wrote:
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Oscar and Douwe,
Thanks for all your comments and thoughts, I find them enjoyable. The other
forums are filled with ADSB-in/out, IFR fixes, 2020 requirements and such. T
he PIETENPOL forum gets right down to the basics of flying. There are not ma
ny places where we can enjoy the simple joys of flying without being critici
zed for out simplistic ways.
Although this great poem was written right after John Magee (at about 20 yea
rs of age) completed a flight to 33,000' in a Spitfire, it speaks to us who d
o fly with the larks and Eagles.
My prayers are with Matt and his family. His hard work with all the forums h
elps all of us to fly.
High Flight
"Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I=99ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds, =94 and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of =94 wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov=99ring there,
I=99ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air....
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I=99ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace.
Where never lark, or even eagle flew =94
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
- Put out my hand, and touched the face of God."
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 9:52 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Douwe: would you mind posting a picture of how you have your iPhone set up
directly in front of you in the cockpit? That is just about the right dist
ance for me to see something like a map screen clearly while in flight, with
out having to put on reading glasses. Now if I could just get Siri to under
stand voice commands like, "Siri, get the current ATIS for me and then switc
h me to Medford tower", we'd be in business ;o) Having to look down to chan
ge frequencies on my little Icom always seems to result in me looking up to f
ind myself in a descending left spiral with increasing airspeed. Why can't I
just fly the airplane and forget about the radios??
>
> And Steve, I'm very frugal myself, so I'm always at least one or two gener
ations behind in electronics and phones. I had a hiker/hunter Magellan GPS 2
000 after they got superseded by the fancier toys and were available brand-n
ew for cheap. I flew a 3 hour x-c out across eastern Oregon in a Super Cub w
ith nothing but that little gem (and folded sectionals) after I had punched i
n a direct route to where I was going, and it was incredible to be able to r
ead out groundspeed, ground track (which helped me determine wind correction
angle), elapsed time, distance to station, and all that- without trying to u
se the E6B or anything else in the cockpit. How easily we get spoiled! Now
I have a perfectly good Garmin GPSMap 196 that can do everything but mix a p
erfect martini and everybody is saying it's "so yesterday"??! Having a 196 i
n the cockpit of an Air Camper is like having a Garmin G1000 dual-display gl
ass panel in a Cessna 150! The panel can do so much more than the airpla!
> ne can, that you might as well stay home and play with the panel instead o
f flying an old wood and fabric airplane with that thing in front of you ;o)
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> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
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Jeffrey,
I like your thinking! GPS is just the new version of map and pencil pilotage! Now,
if I could keep the GPS in the glove box and have it displayed on the windscreen
of my SkyScout, I could fly heads-up and no one would know how I got to
my destination! Just leave an old folded sectional on the seat along with the
goggles!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:32 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey <jeffboatright@emory.edu> wrote:
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> Hi Oscar,
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> I have a different take on the evolution of technology in the cockpit. The dedicated
aviation GPS units are like other avionics that originated in the steam
gauge era. They require mental translation into actual and useful guidance.
Conversely, apps like ForeFlight and WingX were developed from the moving maps
mindset. They are much more like simply holding a chart in your hand and flying
by pilotage. Only instead of you trying to follow a line on the chart that
you drew during preflight prep, the moving map shows you a similar preplanned
course line PLUS a line or ticker or breadcrumb, etc. that represents how you're
actually progressing across the ground. These apps are simply electronic vesions
of your chart, and thus, I argue, are truer to chart-following pilotage
than the old-thinking, dedicated GPS units.
>
> Or something like that...
>
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> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
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>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 12:55 AM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>> Douwe: would you mind posting a picture of how you have your iPhone set up directly
in front of you in the cockpit? That is just about the right distance
for me to see something like a map screen clearly while in flight, without having
to put on reading glasses. Now if I could just get Siri to understand voice
commands like, "Siri, get the current ATIS for me and then switch me to Medford
tower", we'd be in business ;o) Having to look down to change frequencies
on my little Icom always seems to result in me looking up to find myself in
a descending left spiral with increasing airspeed. Why can't I just fly the
airplane and forget about the radios??
>>
>> And Steve, I'm very frugal myself, so I'm always at least one or two generations
behind in electronics and phones. I had a hiker/hunter Magellan GPS 2000
after they got superseded by the fancier toys and were available brand-new for
cheap. I flew a 3 hour x-c out across eastern Oregon in a Super Cub with nothing
but that little gem (and folded sectionals) after I had punched in a direct
route to where I was going, and it was incredible to be able to read out groundspeed,
ground track (which helped me determine wind correction angle), elapsed
time, distance to station, and all that- without trying to use the E6B or
anything else in the cockpit. How easily we get spoiled! Now I have a perfectly
good Garmin GPSMap 196 that can do everything but mix a perfect martini
and everybody is saying it's "so yesterday"??! Having a 196 in the cockpit of
an Air Camper is like having a Garmin G1000 dual-display glass panel in a Cessna
150! The panel can do so much more than the airp!
> la!
>> ne can, that you might as well stay home and play with the panel instead of
flying an old wood and fabric airplane with that thing in front of you ;o)
>>
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>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
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Jeff, Tom, et al- I was in no way inferring that the Garmin-style GPS navigation
tools are more intuitive than a touchscreen on an iPhone or iPad. In fact,
that's why I asked Douwe to share a bit more about how he mounts his phone on
the coaming in front of him in the cockpit. I take my phone with me while flying,
but only for calling someone if I need to, as in an off-field landing or
other emergency. I've tried taking pictures with it while airborne and I can
do it, but it's a bit tricky. However, if it was fixed in place in front of me,
I could sure manage to pan around in a map screen to find something, or zoom
in or out with my fingers.
I know what you mean about the G1000. That's what I flew for my last BFR and it
was my first time behind a glass panel. I had watched and studied the Sporty's
training video a couple of times before going to the field, but it's like
you say- there is too much to remember if you don't use it frequently. I was
absolutely astonished at the system's capabilities, and it really isn't that difficult
to operate it if you stay at it, but I've left that type of flying behind
me in the smoke ;o) Now if you tell me you can get a HITS-type "fly through
the boxes right to the runway threshold" on an iPhone or iPad, that would
be awesome! We often have fog or low clouds pop up in a hurry around here, and
it's easy to get caught in reduced visibility or "instant IFR". In fact, when
we have wildland fires in the summer, the viz can drop to IFR in smoke, too.
Punching in a highway-in-the-sky would be a very good safety tool to have in
the toolbox.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
Proplock: I have overhauled numerous different Strombergs and my A75 Piet flies
with one that I overhauled from ground zero. I will echo what the others said:
take your time, use new parts, and get all the new parts that you can. Most
of these carbs have been tinkered with a number of times over the years so they
may have buggered up screws, old gaskets, missing parts, and metal washers
where fiber ones are indicated. Use only new gaskets and make sure the gasket
surfaces are clean and flat. If yours has been sitting for a while, you may
have trouble removing some of the screws that hold things together. Don't force
anything because you will no doubt strip a screw head or mess up some aluminum.
Get some good solvent loosen frozen fasteners (one or two of mine took
a week of daily application of solvent to loosen), and good carburetor and parts
cleaner.
For me, the most important rebuild item is the exploded parts diagram because I
follow it to make sure I have each and every part and as I clean or replace each
part, I take a highlighter and yellow it out on the diagram so I don't miss
anything. Note that the Stromberg exploded view diagram has a couple of mistakes
on it though!
Dedicate a place on your workbench for the carb overhaul... there are too many
small parts to lose and too many small passages in the carb body to get crud or
dust into. Use a good light, keep everything clean, and remember that you're
dealing with a mechanically simple but operationally intricate piece of hardware
that was designed in the 1920s. That's just a few years shy of 100!! They
are reliable, they work, but they do have their nuances. Here's one of many
good references on these carbs:
http://thestrombergspecialist.com/index.php/86-news
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
My old buddy, the carb guy, paints old carbs with shellac, in and out. He
just rebuilt a Ford model a carb and used shellac.
What do y'all think? Shellac is interesting stuff. A resin collected from
the lac bug, usually suspended in alcohol. Gas resistant.
He also tells people to use no Ethanol fuel as it can screw up old carbs.
You can still get 100% gas in Oklahoma where he is.
Blue skies,
Steve D
On Jan 1, 2016 11:20 AM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Proplock: I have overhauled numerous different Strombergs and my A75 Piet
> flies with one that I overhauled from ground zero. I will echo what the
> others said: take your time, use new parts, and get all the new parts that
> you can. Most of these carbs have been tinkered with a number of times
> over the years so they may have buggered up screws, old gaskets, missing
> parts, and metal washers where fiber ones are indicated. Use only new
> gaskets and make sure the gasket surfaces are clean and flat. If yours has
> been sitting for a while, you may have trouble removing some of the screws
> that hold things together. Don't force anything because you will no doubt
> strip a screw head or mess up some aluminum. Get some good solvent loosen
> frozen fasteners (one or two of mine took a week of daily application of
> solvent to loosen), and good carburetor and parts cleaner.
>
> For me, the most important rebuild item is the exploded parts diagram
> because I follow it to make sure I have each and every part and as I clean
> or replace each part, I take a highlighter and yellow it out on the diagram
> so I don't miss anything. Note that the Stromberg exploded view diagram
> has a couple of mistakes on it though!
>
> Dedicate a place on your workbench for the carb overhaul... there are too
> many small parts to lose and too many small passages in the carb body to
> get crud or dust into. Use a good light, keep everything clean, and
> remember that you're dealing with a mechanically simple but operationally
> intricate piece of hardware that was designed in the 1920s. That's just a
> few years shy of 100!! They are reliable, they work, but they do have
> their nuances. Here's one of many good references on these carbs:
>
> http://thestrombergspecialist.com/index.php/86-news
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
Steve; just seeing the old flaking shellac as I extracted the oil gallery plugs
on my A65, I sure wouldn't use it inside my carb. I think it was supposed to
be used as a sealant or thread locker, but we have much better things for that
now. For sure I wouldn't get shellac anywhere near the air or fuel passages
of my carb! The idle circuit passages in particular, should not be changed in
any way and lining them with shellac sounds like a good way to reduce the inside
diameter and possibly even obstruct them.
If you can find one carb specialist who recommends the shellac treatment, I'll
listen. Old timers, not so much.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
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From: "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:42:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carburator overhaul
I did my own 6 years ago. I replaced the float needle with the steel one bought
from Fresno airparts and followed the manual for adjusting the fuel level. Definitely
a no smoking well ventilated sort of project
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:29 AM, proplock <proplock@federatedwildblue.com> wrote:
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> Has anyone here overhauled a Bendix Stromberg NAS3A1 carb. using the available
manual? Would i get in over my head doing this? Thanks.
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> There is a Stromberg guru in Orland Park Il. (Uni-Tech Air Management Systems,
708 267-7111. uni-tech@earthlink.net. He has material nos and specks on the
different carbs. Many carbs are incorrectly mounted on eng/airframe that have
the wrong parts or for different fuel pressure heads. He has a wonderful 5
page brochedure that I'm sure he would send you. Good luck, Brad Williams
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5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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at the following location:
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caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
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updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
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content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
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information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Pietenpol-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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