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1. 04:24 AM - Re: Plans source... (Charles N. Campbell)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: Plans source... (Jack Philips)
3. 09:41 AM - Re: Plans source... (taildrags)
4. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: Plans source... (Phillip Perry)
5. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Plans source... (Ray Krause)
6. 02:29 PM - Re: Plans source... (tools)
7. 02:51 PM - Re: Plans source... (tkreiner)
8. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: Plans source... (John Cox)
9. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Plans source... (Phillip Perry)
10. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: Plans source... (Glen Schweizer)
11. 07:51 PM - Re: Plans source... (taildrags)
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| Subject: | Re: Plans source... |
I don't know how much the plans cost now, but I bought mine from the
Pietenpols about 5 years ago and they cost, I think, $75. I would check
them first before paying $250. Chuck
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> After 8.5 years, I'm finally in the home stretch of finishing my RV-10 and
> am already having a wandering eye with regards to the next project. I've
> pretty much settled on the Piet as something barebones simple, slow, and a
> nostalgic reflection of a different era. It's completely the anti-10. It
> will be a good project to work on with idle hands.
>
> I've found the Piet website and it looks like there are multiple sections
> of the plans available for sale (Link
> <http://www.pietenpolaircraftcompany.com/purchase-pietenpol-air-camper-plans-and-aircraft-kits>).
> I'm also getting ready to place and order with Spruce and thought I might
> go ahead and order the plans from them.
>
> Here's my question:
>
> It looks like the plans are $250 on the Piet site for product 8; and it
> apparently includes everything.
>
> The plans on the Spruce site are also $250, but there isn't a clear
> description of what's included.
>
> Are the two $250 plan packages the same? If so, I'll just order them from
> Spruce now to get the ball rolling.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Phil
>
>
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Welcome, Phil!
I thought I recognized your name from the RV-10 List. You and I are
doing it in reverse =93 you built an RV-10 first, then a
Pietenpol. I built a Pietenpol first (see photo), then started an RV-10
project (which I=99m about half through, but still plugging away).
As for your question, the usual answer in aviation homebuilding applies:
It Depends.
The PietenpolAircraftCompany website is the one you want to order plans
from. It is being run by Andrew Pietenpol, grandson of Bernard H.
Pietenpol. Prices have gone up, but it looks like he=99s offering
comprehensive packages. The reason I say it depends is because package
#8, which includes everything they=99ve got, allows for
construction of several variants, such as wood strut straight axle
landing gear (which I built, without such a plan supplement, but with
much wailing and gnashing of teeth). If you know which variant you want
to build you could just choose the plans you need without buying a bunch
of things you won=99t need. Another example is, if you are using
a Model A Ford or a Corvair, buying the plans for a Continental A65
mount doesn=99t make much sense.
Where are you located?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP Pietenpol Air Camper
RV-10 project, #40610
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip
Perry
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans source...
Hi Everyone,
After 8.5 years, I'm finally in the home stretch of finishing my RV-10
and am already having a wandering eye with regards to the next project.
I've pretty much settled on the Piet as something barebones simple,
slow, and a nostalgic reflection of a different era. It's completely
the anti-10. It will be a good project to work on with idle hands.
I've found the Piet website and it looks like there are multiple
sections of the plans available for sale (Link
<http://www.pietenpolaircraftcompany.com/purchase-pietenpol-air-camper-pl
ans-and-aircraft-kits> ). I'm also getting ready to place and order
with Spruce and thought I might go ahead and order the plans from them.
Here's my question:
It looks like the plans are $250 on the Piet site for product 8; and it
apparently includes everything.
The plans on the Spruce site are also $250, but there isn't a clear
description of what's included.
Are the two $250 plan packages the same? If so, I'll just order them
from Spruce now to get the ball rolling.
Thanks for your help,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Plans source... |
Phil; where are you located? You might have a builder nearby who can spread his/her
plans out on the workbench so you can see what they look like before you
jump in. I have almost everything that the Pietenpol Family website offers,
I paid a little less than what they're asking for them now, but it's been worth
it to me to have the original plans, the supplement with the Corvair and Continental
information, the 3-piece wing supplement, and the builder's manual with
commentary and FAQ.
I have no idea what Spruce offers for the same price, but most of us on the list
have bought our plans from the Pietenpol family out of a bit of pride in saying
that both the airplane, the family, and the plans are still around after 85-90
years. Not to disparage Jim & Nancy Irwin, but it's just a different nostalgia
to say you bought your plans from the Pietenpol family.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Plans source... |
Thanks everyone. I'll just pickup the plans from the family instead of 'hid
ing them inside a AS&S order from my wife. :)
Along the line of plans and getting started, what is the consensus for relia
ble high-quality wood? We have a local high-end hard wood supplier here in t
own but I don't know if they'd be more affordable or even predicable with re
gards to aviation quality products. I need to get that sorted out and deci
de if local vs mail-order is best for me.
Oscar and Jack, I'm located in McGregor, Texas at KPWG (just west of Waco by
10-12 miles). The RV-10 is finally getting close to the end. I'm riggin
g it now and tying up loose ends. There's a good chance that it will fly th
is summer. I'll put around 100 hours on it first and then send it to the p
aint shop after the bugs have been shaken out.
Here's a couple of photos of the project. After the -10, which we will lov
e traveling in, you can see why the simplistic desire to build a minimalist P
iet is so attractive. It's the perfect evening flight airplane while the s
un goes down.
Thanks for the help everyone,
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:41 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Phil; where are you located? You might have a builder nearby who can spre
ad his/her plans out on the workbench so you can see what they look like bef
ore you jump in. I have almost everything that the Pietenpol Family website
offers, I paid a little less than what they're asking for them now, but it'
s been worth it to me to have the original plans, the supplement with the Co
rvair and Continental information, the 3-piece wing supplement, and the buil
der's manual with commentary and FAQ.
>
> I have no idea what Spruce offers for the same price, but most of us on th
e list have bought our plans from the Pietenpol family out of a bit of pride
in saying that both the airplane, the family, and the plans are still aroun
d after 85-90 years. Not to disparage Jim & Nancy Irwin, but it's just a di
fferent nostalgia to say you bought your plans from the Pietenpol family.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452444#452444
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plans source... |
Hey, I only have the right side of that panel in my Piet SkyScout!
Ray Krause
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> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone. I'll just pickup the plans from the family instead of 'hiding
them inside a AS&S order from my wife. :)
>
> Along the line of plans and getting started, what is the consensus for reliable
high-quality wood? We have a local high-end hard wood supplier here in town
but I don't know if they'd be more affordable or even predicable with regards
to aviation quality products. I need to get that sorted out and decide if
local vs mail-order is best for me.
>
> Oscar and Jack, I'm located in McGregor, Texas at KPWG (just west of Waco by
10-12 miles). The RV-10 is finally getting close to the end. I'm rigging it
now and tying up loose ends. There's a good chance that it will fly this summer.
I'll put around 100 hours on it first and then send it to the paint shop
after the bugs have been shaken out.
>
> Here's a couple of photos of the project. After the -10, which we will love
traveling in, you can see why the simplistic desire to build a minimalist Piet
is so attractive. It's the perfect evening flight airplane while the sun
goes down.
>
> Thanks for the help everyone,
> Phil
>
> <image1.JPG>
>
>
> <image2.JPG>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:41 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Phil; where are you located? You might have a builder nearby who can spread
his/her plans out on the workbench so you can see what they look like before
you jump in. I have almost everything that the Pietenpol Family website offers,
I paid a little less than what they're asking for them now, but it's been worth
it to me to have the original plans, the supplement with the Corvair and
Continental information, the 3-piece wing supplement, and the builder's manual
with commentary and FAQ.
>>
>> I have no idea what Spruce offers for the same price, but most of us on the
list have bought our plans from the Pietenpol family out of a bit of pride in
saying that both the airplane, the family, and the plans are still around after
85-90 years. Not to disparage Jim & Nancy Irwin, but it's just a different
nostalgia to say you bought your plans from the Pietenpol family.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452444#452444
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Plans source... |
As for wood, aircraft spruce is dead reliable, quality, not necessarily what you
order, but expensive.
I REALLY like mccormicks lumber in Madison wi. They carry very nice Sitka for
ice boat builders. I have not bought a bad piece of wood,from them yet.
In your neck of the woods you could call Alamo hardwoods in San Antonio. One of
the finest wod suppliers I've ever seen. They might carry or be able to get
Sitka.
Are you able to deal with rough sawn wood?
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Plans source... |
If you're going to OSH for Airventure this year, you might consider an early arrival,
and spend the two days or so immediately prior by going to Broadhead, as
you'll be able to meet up with many other builders, and maybe catch a ride in
a Piet.
Depending on your timing, McCormicks Lumber is indirectly between the two venues.
The weekend in Brodhead is well worth the time spent...
--------
Tom Kreiner
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I second this recommendation. It totally change my OSH experience. Though
it rained like Oregon the dinner by the EAA chapter was Great!
John Cox - Oregon
On Jan 30, 2016 14:53, "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you're going to OSH for Airventure this year, you might consider an
> early arrival, and spend the two days or so immediately prior by going to
> Broadhead, as you'll be able to meet up with many other builders, and maybe
> catch a ride in a Piet.
>
> Depending on your timing, McCormicks Lumber is indirectly between the two
> venues.
>
> The weekend in Brodhead is well worth the time spent...
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452450#452450
>
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Hey John! It seems there are a few of us who have a foot in both worlds.
The lead on the weekend before Oshkosh is great, thank you!
On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 4:59 PM, John Cox <rv10pro@gmail.com> wrote:
> I second this recommendation. It totally change my OSH experience. Though
> it rained like Oregon the dinner by the EAA chapter was Great!
>
> John Cox - Oregon
> On Jan 30, 2016 14:53, "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> If you're going to OSH for Airventure this year, you might consider an
>> early arrival, and spend the two days or so immediately prior by going to
>> Broadhead, as you'll be able to meet up with many other builders, and maybe
>> catch a ride in a Piet.
>>
>> Depending on your timing, McCormicks Lumber is indirectly between the two
>> venues.
>>
>> The weekend in Brodhead is well worth the time spent...
>>
>> --------
>> Tom Kreiner
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452450#452450
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Hey John. I'm in Hubbard, building the Aerial (biplane version). Where are y
ou? Glen
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2016, at 2:59 PM, John Cox <rv10pro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I second this recommendation. It totally change my OSH experience. Though
it rained like Oregon the dinner by the EAA chapter was Great!
>
> John Cox - Oregon
>
>> On Jan 30, 2016 14:53, "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you're going to OSH for Airventure this year, you might consider an ea
rly arrival, and spend the two days or so immediately prior by going to Broa
dhead, as you'll be able to meet up with many other builders, and maybe catc
h a ride in a Piet.
>>
>> Depending on your timing, McCormicks Lumber is indirectly between the two
venues.
>>
>> The weekend in Brodhead is well worth the time spent...
>>
>> --------
>> Tom Kreiner
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452450#452450
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| Subject: | Re: Plans source... |
Phil; you are about two hours away from one of the best Piet building resources
in the state of Texas. Kevin Purtee is down in the San Marcos area and he is
rebuilding his beautiful Air Camper, "Fat Bottom Girl". Kevin and Shelley are
an inspiration to Piet builders and pilots and have hosted a "Corvair College"
in San Marcos several times now. They will be hosting another one April 1-3
down there, but don't think you need to consider the Corvair to visit with Kevin.
It would be worth your time to go look at Kevin's airplane and visit with
him and Shelley.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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