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Great, detailed response Oscar.
Thank you for helping him out.
Cheers,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Hi. My name is David and I have been a lurker of this site for almost
two years, during which time I have purchased plans, collected materials
and completed the wing ribs. I live in Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
I have browsed the forum archives extensively (it=92s not the easiest
database to search).
I greatly appreciate the sage advice shared by those who frequent the
site.
I am working with Douglas fir (we call it Oregon pine) and have found
four Model A Ford engines from which I should be able to make one really
good one. In Australia spruce boards and Corvair engines are as scarce
as rocking-horse manure.
I have some questions: Firstly, the wing rib plans show extra sticks in
the two end ribs. There are no gussets shown for some of the joins. I=92ve
put them in but am interested to know what others have done.
Secondly, I am interested in how others have actually attached the
leading edge ply covering. Am I correct in thinking this is just glued
and chamfered to take out sharp edges?
Thirdly, the trailing edge gives two alternatives, top and bottom
plates or tongue and groove. Either one better than the other?
Lastly, I seem to recollect that some posters have recommended not
gluing the ribs to the spars (in case of having to replace them at some
stage) and I note that the plans only mentioning nailing. Glue and nail
or nail only? I plan to varnish the ribs soon and don=92t want to get
varnish where it may stop glue from =91taking=92.
Cheers from =91way Down Under=92.
David Boarder
Pietenpol-list@matrionics.com
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David,
Welcome.
On my first Piet I used a full rib sized gusset. I used Jim Wills (UK) plan
s and that is what they called for. The second on just had the usual gussets
.
The leading edge was covered and chamfered as you suggest.
I used top and bottom gussets on the trailing edge.
After I had everything levelled on the wings, I glued the ribs to the spar.
I have a couple of web sites for both Piets, http://www.cpc-world.com and h
ttp://repiet.cpc-world.com.
I am just getting all the paperwork sorted for the second one and have upda
ted the web site quite extensively.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: New member
Hi. My name is David and I have been a lurker of this site for almost two
years, during which time I have purchased plans, collected materials and com
pleted the wing ribs. I live in Launceston, Tasmania, Australia. I have brow
sed the forum archives extensively (it=99s not the easiest database to searc
h).
I greatly appreciate the sage advice shared by those who frequent the site.
I am working with Douglas fir (we call it Oregon pine) and have found four
Model A Ford engines from which I should be able to make one really good one
. In Australia spruce boards and Corvair engines are as scarce as rocking-ho
rse manure.
I have some questions: Firstly, the wing rib plans show extra sticks in the
two end ribs. There are no gussets shown for some of the joins. I=99ve put
them in but am interested to know what others have done.
Secondly, I am interested in how others have actually attached the leading
edge ply covering. Am I correct in thinking this is just glued and chamfered
to take out sharp edges?
Thirdly, the trailing edge gives two alternatives, top and bottom plates o
r tongue and groove. Either one better than the other?
Lastly, I seem to recollect that some posters have recommended not gluing t
he ribs to the spars (in case of having to replace them at some stage) and I
note that the plans only mentioning nailing. Glue and nail or nail only? I
plan to varnish the ribs soon and don=99t want to get varnish where it may s
top glue from =98taking=99.
Cheers from =98way Down Under=99.
David Boarder
Pietenpol-list@matrionics.com
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Hi David. My advice may be about as helpful and rocking horse manure but here
goes. first of all welcome to the crazy world of Pietenpol , you will probably
love it. I am kind of a strange builder, I try not to stress over the
little un-important details, especially if it is going to slow me down for no
good reason (damn the torpedoes full speed ahead ) as one of our American naval
commanders once said. I simply glued the leading edge down to the nose piece
then took a 7 inch sanding disk and sanded it to a feather edge. I guess if
you are a good hand and have a good routing table you could inlet it into the
leading edge but it wasn't worth it to me. As for the trailing edge, I chose
to use little 3 inch tear drop gussets top and bottom glued and clamped.
I believe the tongue and groove method is the best looking but I doubt if it is
any stronger and it is more time consuming.
As for the ribs to spar, I just nailed them like the plans show, you won't
go far wrong to follow the plans. I have been building 2 years 3 months and I
hope to fly this spring. I don't wont to be building 10 years and be too old
and crippled up to fly when it is done . I may not have a show stopper but I
am building a flyer I hope. :)
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Welcome David
Q1: Yes, put gussets on all joints. The joints will be very weak without
them and would likely break with just the vibration.
Q2: Gluing and chamfering is the easiest. I cut a recess into the leading
edge using a table saw. Someplace I have a drawing of how I cut the leading
edge.
Q3: I used the tongue and groove method. Very easy. Looks good too.
Q4: I glued the ribs to the wing spar because I was concerned with the
nails backing out over time. See I had heard that Aeronca's have had trouble
with nails backing out and people have had to put access panels in the
wings to fix them. That being said, I now say nail them on after someone I
know damaged a spar in his Air Camper and was able to slide out the bad one
and slide in a new one all because he only nail the ribs on.
My wing building pictures
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris_Tracy/Index.html
You're not the only Tasmanian Pietenpol.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: New member
Hi. My name is David and I have been a lurker of this site for almost two
years, during which time I have purchased plans, collected materials and
completed the wing ribs. I live in Launceston, Tasmania, Australia. I have
browsed the forum archives extensively (it's not the easiest database to
search).
I greatly appreciate the sage advice shared by those who frequent the site.
I am working with Douglas fir (we call it Oregon pine) and have found four
Model A Ford engines from which I should be able to make one really good
one. In Australia spruce boards and Corvair engines are as scarce as
rocking-horse manure.
I have some questions: Firstly, the wing rib plans show extra sticks in the
two end ribs. There are no gussets shown for some of the joins. I've put
them in but am interested to know what others have done.
Secondly, I am interested in how others have actually attached the leading
edge ply covering. Am I correct in thinking this is just glued and chamfered
to take out sharp edges?
Thirdly, the trailing edge gives two alternatives, top and bottom plates or
tongue and groove. Either one better than the other?
Lastly, I seem to recollect that some posters have recommended not gluing
the ribs to the spars (in case of having to replace them at some stage) and
I note that the plans only mentioning nailing. Glue and nail or nail only? I
plan to varnish the ribs soon and don't want to get varnish where it may
stop glue from 'taking'.
Cheers from 'way Down Under'.
David Boarder
Pietenpol-list@matrionics.com <mailto:Pietenpol-list@matrionics.com>
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