---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/03/16: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:51 AM - Re: motor mount (AircamperN11MS) 2. 02:31 PM - New member (MacBook Pro) 3. 07:44 PM - Re: New member (Peter Johnson) 4. 07:53 PM - Re: New member (aviken) 5. 11:23 PM - Re: New member (CatDesigns) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: motor mount From: "AircamperN11MS" Great, detailed response Oscar. Thank you for helping him out. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452568#452568 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:02 PM PST US From: MacBook Pro Subject: Pietenpol-List: New member Hi. My name is David and I have been a lurker of this site for almost two years, during which time I have purchased plans, collected materials and completed the wing ribs. I live in Launceston, Tasmania, Australia. I have browsed the forum archives extensively (it=92s not the easiest database to search). I greatly appreciate the sage advice shared by those who frequent the site. I am working with Douglas fir (we call it Oregon pine) and have found four Model A Ford engines from which I should be able to make one really good one. In Australia spruce boards and Corvair engines are as scarce as rocking-horse manure. I have some questions: Firstly, the wing rib plans show extra sticks in the two end ribs. There are no gussets shown for some of the joins. I=92ve put them in but am interested to know what others have done. Secondly, I am interested in how others have actually attached the leading edge ply covering. Am I correct in thinking this is just glued and chamfered to take out sharp edges? Thirdly, the trailing edge gives two alternatives, top and bottom plates or tongue and groove. Either one better than the other? Lastly, I seem to recollect that some posters have recommended not gluing the ribs to the spars (in case of having to replace them at some stage) and I note that the plans only mentioning nailing. Glue and nail or nail only? I plan to varnish the ribs soon and don=92t want to get varnish where it may stop glue from =91taking=92. Cheers from =91way Down Under=92. David Boarder Pietenpol-list@matrionics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New member From: Peter Johnson David, Welcome. On my first Piet I used a full rib sized gusset. I used Jim Wills (UK) plan s and that is what they called for. The second on just had the usual gussets .. The leading edge was covered and chamfered as you suggest. I used top and bottom gussets on the trailing edge. After I had everything levelled on the wings, I glued the ribs to the spar. I have a couple of web sites for both Piets, http://www.cpc-world.com and h ttp://repiet.cpc-world.com. I am just getting all the paperwork sorted for the second one and have upda ted the web site quite extensively. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia From: on behalf of MacBook Pro Subject: Pietenpol-List: New member Hi. My name is David and I have been a lurker of this site for almost two years, during which time I have purchased plans, collected materials and com pleted the wing ribs. I live in Launceston, Tasmania, Australia. I have brow sed the forum archives extensively (it=99s not the easiest database to searc h). I greatly appreciate the sage advice shared by those who frequent the site. I am working with Douglas fir (we call it Oregon pine) and have found four Model A Ford engines from which I should be able to make one really good one . In Australia spruce boards and Corvair engines are as scarce as rocking-ho rse manure. I have some questions: Firstly, the wing rib plans show extra sticks in the two end ribs. There are no gussets shown for some of the joins. I=99ve put them in but am interested to know what others have done. Secondly, I am interested in how others have actually attached the leading edge ply covering. Am I correct in thinking this is just glued and chamfered to take out sharp edges? Thirdly, the trailing edge gives two alternatives, top and bottom plates o r tongue and groove. Either one better than the other? Lastly, I seem to recollect that some posters have recommended not gluing t he ribs to the spars (in case of having to replace them at some stage) and I note that the plans only mentioning nailing. Glue and nail or nail only? I plan to varnish the ribs soon and don=99t want to get varnish where it may s top glue from =98taking=99. Cheers from =98way Down Under=99. David Boarder Pietenpol-list@matrionics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New member From: "aviken" Hi David. My advice may be about as helpful and rocking horse manure but here goes. first of all welcome to the crazy world of Pietenpol , you will probably love it. I am kind of a strange builder, I try not to stress over the little un-important details, especially if it is going to slow me down for no good reason (damn the torpedoes full speed ahead ) as one of our American naval commanders once said. I simply glued the leading edge down to the nose piece then took a 7 inch sanding disk and sanded it to a feather edge. I guess if you are a good hand and have a good routing table you could inlet it into the leading edge but it wasn't worth it to me. As for the trailing edge, I chose to use little 3 inch tear drop gussets top and bottom glued and clamped. I believe the tongue and groove method is the best looking but I doubt if it is any stronger and it is more time consuming. As for the ribs to spar, I just nailed them like the plans show, you won't go far wrong to follow the plans. I have been building 2 years 3 months and I hope to fly this spring. I don't wont to be building 10 years and be too old and crippled up to fly when it is done . I may not have a show stopper but I am building a flyer I hope. :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452595#452595 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:03 PM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New member Welcome David Q1: Yes, put gussets on all joints. The joints will be very weak without them and would likely break with just the vibration. Q2: Gluing and chamfering is the easiest. I cut a recess into the leading edge using a table saw. Someplace I have a drawing of how I cut the leading edge. Q3: I used the tongue and groove method. Very easy. Looks good too. Q4: I glued the ribs to the wing spar because I was concerned with the nails backing out over time. See I had heard that Aeronca's have had trouble with nails backing out and people have had to put access panels in the wings to fix them. That being said, I now say nail them on after someone I know damaged a spar in his Air Camper and was able to slide out the bad one and slide in a new one all because he only nail the ribs on. My wing building pictures http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris_Tracy/Index.html You're not the only Tasmanian Pietenpol. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MacBook Pro Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 2:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New member Hi. My name is David and I have been a lurker of this site for almost two years, during which time I have purchased plans, collected materials and completed the wing ribs. I live in Launceston, Tasmania, Australia. I have browsed the forum archives extensively (it's not the easiest database to search). I greatly appreciate the sage advice shared by those who frequent the site. I am working with Douglas fir (we call it Oregon pine) and have found four Model A Ford engines from which I should be able to make one really good one. In Australia spruce boards and Corvair engines are as scarce as rocking-horse manure. I have some questions: Firstly, the wing rib plans show extra sticks in the two end ribs. There are no gussets shown for some of the joins. I've put them in but am interested to know what others have done. Secondly, I am interested in how others have actually attached the leading edge ply covering. Am I correct in thinking this is just glued and chamfered to take out sharp edges? Thirdly, the trailing edge gives two alternatives, top and bottom plates or tongue and groove. Either one better than the other? Lastly, I seem to recollect that some posters have recommended not gluing the ribs to the spars (in case of having to replace them at some stage) and I note that the plans only mentioning nailing. Glue and nail or nail only? I plan to varnish the ribs soon and don't want to get varnish where it may stop glue from 'taking'. Cheers from 'way Down Under'. 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