---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/07/16: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:21 AM - Control Stick Movements (tonyp51qa) 2. 01:45 PM - Re: gussets grain orientation - empenage (rudder,fin,elevator,st (Pocono John) 3. 01:56 PM - Re: Gusset plywood grain orientation (Pocono John) 4. 03:36 PM - Re: Pietenpol on floats ? (CatDesigns) 5. 03:53 PM - Re: Control Stick Movements (CatDesigns) 6. 04:11 PM - Re: Control Stick Movements (CatDesigns) 7. 04:19 PM - Re: Control Stick Movements (CatDesigns) 8. 06:50 PM - Re: Control Stick Movements (Ray Krause) 9. 07:35 PM - Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 (kevinpurtee) 10. 07:54 PM - Re: Control Stick Movements (CatDesigns) 11. 09:47 PM - Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements From: "tonyp51qa" I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I am concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft {elevator}. And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know how much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet is built per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together has caused a lesser movement going to the left.{this control rod hits the seat back "V" cutout} This limits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My control stick also hits the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 plus degrees. At present I do not have any cables installed yet. Thank You! Tony -------- Tony Crawford Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gussets grain orientation - empenage (rudder,fin,elevator,st From: "Pocono John" If you don't have them, try to get copies of Tony Bingelis books, especially "Sportplane Construction and Techniques", and "The Sportplane Builder". He addresses many issues, including gussets. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452680#452680 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset plywood grain orientation From: "Pocono John" Wonder what Tony Bingelis has to say. My books are in the garage at the moment, but I find many answers in his books. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452682#452682 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:46 PM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol on floats ? Its Shawn Wolk (CF-RAZ). http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Shawn%20Wolk%20CF-RAZ/pictures.htm I believe it's one of the oldest flying Pietenpols. Originally built in 37 if I recall correctly and it was in a movie once. Shawn talking about his floats in the list archives http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=34082464?KEYS=wol k_&_floats?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=6?SERIAL=1053364489?SHOWBUTTONS=YES you could always take a shot that his email address hasn't changed. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of piperj3 Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol on floats ? Hi. Would anyone know the owner of a yellow piet with green tail on yellow full lotus floats ? I'd like to talk with the owner about doing the same thing. Thanks Bob 715-851-9441[/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452654#452654 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:39 PM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements Does this discussion help? http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416457 The deflections mentioned sound about right. Somewhere I have another sketch of the deflections but I can't find it right now. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tonyp51qa Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 4:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I am concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft {elevator}. And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know how much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet is built per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together has caused a lesser movement going to the left.{this control rod hits the seat back "V" cutout} This limits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My control stick also hits the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 plus degrees. At present I do not have any cables installed yet. Thank You! Tony -------- Tony Crawford Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:03 PM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements One thing you can do to gain a little more left stick is to flatten the end of the connector tubing off center. This will allow you to bias the tubing closer to the centerline of the sticks. I have heard that it will hit your leg before it hits the V-brace. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tonyp51qa Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 4:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I am concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft {elevator}. And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know how much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet is built per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together has caused a lesser movement going to the left.{this control rod hits the seat back "V" cutout} This limits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My control stick also hits the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 plus degrees. At present I do not have any cables installed yet. Thank You! Tony -------- Tony Crawford Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:54 PM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements Mike Cuy shows 10-inch up and 7.5-inch down elevator movement. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike_Cuy/Image/Piet%20elevator%20travel%20sk etch.jpg Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tonyp51qa Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 4:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I am concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft {elevator}. And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know how much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet is built per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together has caused a lesser movement going to the left.{this control rod hits the seat back "V" cutout} This limits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My control stick also hits the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 plus degrees. At present I do not have any cables installed yet. Thank You! Tony -------- Tony Crawford Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:56 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements Chris, Is the angle measured from the top of the wing as "level"? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Feb 7, 2016, at 3:53 PM, CatDesigns wrote: > > > Does this discussion help? > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416457 > > The deflections mentioned sound about right. Somewhere I have another > sketch of the deflections but I can't find it right now. > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestcoastPiet.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tonyp51qa > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 4:21 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements > > > I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I am > concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft {elevator}. > And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of > deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know how > much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet is built > per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together has caused a > lesser movement going to the left.{this control rod hits the seat back "V" > cutout} This limits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My > control stick also hits the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 plus > degrees. At present I do not have any cables installed yet. Thank You! > > Tony > > -------- > Tony Crawford > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 From: "kevinpurtee" Friends - Please come join us. Here's the registration link: https://corviarcollegeregistration.wufoo.com/forms/cc36/ -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452690#452690 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:53 PM PST US From: "CatDesigns" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements Ray I believe it is measured at the bottom of the trailing edge with the aileron level with the bottom of the wing, i.e. in the neutral position. Then measure the angle (at the trailing edge) at full up or down. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements --> Chris, Is the angle measured from the top of the wing as "level"? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Feb 7, 2016, at 3:53 PM, CatDesigns wrote: > > --> > > Does this discussion help? > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416457 > > The deflections mentioned sound about right. Somewhere I have another > sketch of the deflections but I can't find it right now. > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestcoastPiet.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > tonyp51qa > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 4:21 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements > > --> > > I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I > am concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft {elevator}. > And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of > deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know > how much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet > is built per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together > has caused a lesser movement going to the left.{this control rod hits the seat back "V" > cutout} This limits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My > control stick also hits the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 > plus degrees. At present I do not have any cables installed yet. Thank You! > > Tony > > -------- > Tony Crawford > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 From: "taildrags" Axel- only on one condition: that you either correct the spelling in the event registration weblink to "Corvair", or else serve some prime Detroit "corviar" on crackers at the event ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452693#452693 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.