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1. 07:28 AM - Re: Control Stick Movements (Charles N. Campbell)
2. 07:29 AM - Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 (kevinpurtee)
3. 07:36 AM - Engine mount bolt lengths (Charles N. Campbell)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 (Charles N. Campbell)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: Engine mount bolt lengths (Charles N. Campbell)
6. 08:22 AM - Re: Control Stick Movements (Jack Philips)
7. 11:14 AM - Re: Control Stick Movements (Ray Krause)
8. 11:22 AM - Re: Control Stick Movements (Ray Krause)
9. 01:34 PM - Ordering metal (Pocono John)
10. 06:12 PM - Re: Pietenpol on floats ? (piperj3)
11. 09:04 PM - Re: Control Stick Movements (taildrags)
12. 10:05 PM - Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 (taildrags)
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Movements |
I remember a post of a few years ago where one Piet owner put small blocks
of wood on the floor (under the ends of the aileron activator) to limit the
travel of the ailerons. He(she) complained that the sound the ailerons
made hitting the wing at full down deflection bothered her(him). (I have
forgotten whether it was a male of female who made the entry.) So I gather
from that post that the aileron travel is sufficient at full throw of the
stick. Chuck
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:20 AM, tonyp51qa <tonyp51qa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I am
> concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft {elevator}.
> And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of
> deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know how
> much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet is built
> per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together has caused a
> lesser movement going to the left.{this control rod hits the seat back "V"
> cutout} This limits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My
> control stick also hits the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 plus
> degrees. At present I do not have any cables installed yet. Thank You!
>
> Tony
>
> --------
> Tony Crawford
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 |
You gotta talk to the IT Girl, Oscar.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Engine mount bolt lengths |
Do any of you Piet drivers having a Corvair-powered airplane remember the
length of bolt required for mounting the engine to the hitch using the
"Energy Suspension End Link Bushings" that William W. recommends? Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April |
2016
Regardless of spelling method used, the page comes up OK. C
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:28 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
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> You gotta talk to the IT Girl, Oscar.
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> Rebuilding NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mount bolt lengths |
Sorry about that; I must have been thinking about my trailer when I used
the term "hitch". Mentally convert that word to "mount". C
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Charles N. Campbell <
charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do any of you Piet drivers having a Corvair-powered airplane remember the
> length of bolt required for mounting the engine to the hitch using the
> "Energy Suspension End Link Bushings" that William W. recommends? Chuck
>
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| Subject: | Control Stick Movements |
Hard to see how the ailerons could make much noise against the wing
=93 the stick hits my knee long before the ailerons reach full
deflection.
The FAA generally wants to see control stops on all controls. I put
small blocks of wood under the aileron horn on the torque tube for that
purpose (the stick still hits my knee before the horn reaches the stop).
I added elevator stops on the elevator bellcrank in the fuselage to
limit the elevator movement. It still has far more elevator travel than
you would ever need in flight.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
N. Campbell
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements
I remember a post of a few years ago where one Piet owner put small
blocks of wood on the floor (under the ends of the aileron activator) to
limit the travel of the ailerons. He(she) complained that the sound the
ailerons made hitting the wing at full down deflection bothered
her(him). (I have forgotten whether it was a male of female who made
the entry.) So I gather from that post that the aileron travel is
sufficient at full throw of the stick. Chuck
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:20 AM, tonyp51qa <tonyp51qa@gmail.com
<mailto:tonyp51qa@gmail.com> > wrote:
<mailto:tonyp51qa@gmail.com> >
I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I
am concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft
{elevator}. And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the
degree of deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need
to know how much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since
my Piet is built per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks
together has caused a lesser movement going to the left.{this control
rod hits the seat back "V" cutout} This limits the stick deflection
going fully to the left}. My control stick also hits the seat back at
24 degrees and goes back 30 plus degrees. At present I do not have any
cables installed yet. Thank You!
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Movements |
Chris,
Thanks. My Sonex is measured from the top of the wing as level (neutral) starting
point.
Ray
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> On Feb 7, 2016, at 7:51 PM, CatDesigns <CatDesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
>
> Ray
>
> I believe it is measured at the bottom of the trailing edge with the aileron
> level with the bottom of the wing, i.e. in the neutral position. Then
> measure the angle (at the trailing edge) at full up or down.
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestcoastPiet.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 6:50 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements
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> --> <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
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> Chris,
>
> Is the angle measured from the top of the wing as "level"?
>
> Thanks,
> Ray Krause
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 7, 2016, at 3:53 PM, CatDesigns <CatDesigns@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> --> <CatDesigns@att.net>
>>
>> Does this discussion help?
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416457
>>
>> The deflections mentioned sound about right. Somewhere I have another
>> sketch of the deflections but I can't find it right now.
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, CA
>> WestcoastPiet.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> tonyp51qa
>> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 4:21 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements
>>
>> --> <tonyp51qa@gmail.com>
>>
>> I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I
>> am concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft
> {elevator}.
>> And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of
>> deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know
>> how much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet
>> is built per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together
>> has caused a lesser movement going to the left.{this control rod hits the
> seat back "V"
>> cutout} This limits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My
>> control stick also hits the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30
>> plus degrees. At present I do not have any cables installed yet. Thank
> You!
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> --------
>> Tony Crawford
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Movements |
Full throw of the stick (left/right) can be greatly limited by the size (fat
ness) of the pilots legs and the position of the stick (forward/back). I wan
t to measure to see how much aileron movement I get with various positions o
f the stick. But I'm sure, with so many Piets flying with the same setup, it
will be adequate. Full aileron deflection may never be needed.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 7:27 AM, Charles N. Campbell <charlescampbell1924@gmail
.com> wrote:
>
> I remember a post of a few years ago where one Piet owner put small blocks
of wood on the floor (under the ends of the aileron activator) to limit the
travel of the ailerons. He(she) complained that the sound the ailerons mad
e hitting the wing at full down deflection bothered her(him). (I have forgo
tten whether it was a male of female who made the entry.) So I gather from t
hat post that the aileron travel is sufficient at full throw of the stick. C
huck
>
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:20 AM, tonyp51qa <tonyp51qa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I am
concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft {elevator}. A
nd especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of deflect
ion of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know how much stick
deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet is built per plans,
the control rod that ties the two sticks together has caused a lesser movem
ent going to the left.{this control rod hits the seat back "V" cutout} This l
imits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My control stick also h
its the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 plus degrees. At present I d
o not have any cables installed yet. Thank You!
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> --------
>> Tony Crawford
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656
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Hello.I'm going to attempt to order metal for all the fittings, brackets, hinges,
control horns, etc.
I see .080, 12 ga, 13 ga and 22 ga in the plans.
Are there any sizes I missed? Any advice as to size of the sheets?
Thank you.
John
PS
I packed the project last spring as we moved. Just getting started again. I have
a heated over-sized (BIG) two car garage just for the project. House has attached
two car garage. Yippee!
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol on floats ? |
Thanks guys ill try to reach him.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Movements |
I'm going to agree with the others here... you may never consciously hit the extreme
limits of your control stick travel. Thinking back though, I may have done
it a couple of times. I can recall practicing power-off stalls at altitude,
and holding full aft stick while wearing summer clothing (no bulky jacket),
I was surprised that after repeated attempts I could not get the nose to break
sharply and drop if I eased up to the stall. It would come up, bob, sink rate
would go up, then it would just dip to get a little air over the wings and
then repeat the cycle. In a sharper and intentionally rapid stall maneuver,
I wouldn't try it but in a slow approach to full nose-up, I could hold the stick
full back in the bobbing cycle as altitude was rapidly lost and airspeed stayed
in the 30s or low 40s. I'm quite sure I've never had the stick full forward!!!
I have no desire to set a new world's record for elapsed time from cruise
to Vne in a homebuilt, but the Air Camper would sure be willing to try if
you hit the forward stop!
The time I think I've hit the aileron stops was in short-field slips to a landing
on grass. Back at San Geronimo, I would come in just a tad high on final so
I could get over the trees at the approach end of the field, then kick it over
into a hard slip to get in where I could use all the grass. I think I have
felt the stop once or twice in that configuration, but I could also be imagining
it because in that configuration the stick is well into your thigh. I have
a 32" waist and weigh about 160, not a lot of meat on my thighs, but if you're
not slight of build the insides of your thighs will serve nicely as stick stops
in roll.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 |
Folks, you will not find better, nicer, or more Pietenpol-y people than Kevin and
Shelley, hosts of this event. I highly recommend this upcoming Corvair College
(with or without 'corviar on crackers') if you have any leanings towards
building a Piet, building a Corvair to power a Piet, or building your own engine
for any kind of a homebuilt aircraft. The experience will be one that you
will remember whether you ever build an engine or airplane or not.
Highly recommended.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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