---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/08/16: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:28 AM - Re: Control Stick Movements (Charles N. Campbell) 2. 07:29 AM - Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 (kevinpurtee) 3. 07:36 AM - Engine mount bolt lengths (Charles N. Campbell) 4. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 (Charles N. Campbell) 5. 07:42 AM - Re: Engine mount bolt lengths (Charles N. Campbell) 6. 08:22 AM - Re: Control Stick Movements (Jack Philips) 7. 11:14 AM - Re: Control Stick Movements (Ray Krause) 8. 11:22 AM - Re: Control Stick Movements (Ray Krause) 9. 01:34 PM - Ordering metal (Pocono John) 10. 06:12 PM - Re: Pietenpol on floats ? (piperj3) 11. 09:04 PM - Re: Control Stick Movements (taildrags) 12. 10:05 PM - Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements From: "Charles N. Campbell" I remember a post of a few years ago where one Piet owner put small blocks of wood on the floor (under the ends of the aileron activator) to limit the travel of the ailerons. He(she) complained that the sound the ailerons made hitting the wing at full down deflection bothered her(him). (I have forgotten whether it was a male of female who made the entry.) So I gather from that post that the aileron travel is sufficient at full throw of the stick. Chuck On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:20 AM, tonyp51qa wrote: > > I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I am > concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft {elevator}. > And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of > deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know how > much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet is built > per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together has caused a > lesser movement going to the left.{this control rod hits the seat back "V" > cutout} This limits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My > control stick also hits the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 plus > degrees. At present I do not have any cables installed yet. Thank You! > > Tony > > -------- > Tony Crawford > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 From: "kevinpurtee" You gotta talk to the IT Girl, Oscar. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452703#452703 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine mount bolt lengths From: "Charles N. Campbell" Do any of you Piet drivers having a Corvair-powered airplane remember the length of bolt required for mounting the engine to the hitch using the "Energy Suspension End Link Bushings" that William W. recommends? Chuck ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 From: "Charles N. Campbell" Regardless of spelling method used, the page comes up OK. C On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:28 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > You gotta talk to the IT Girl, Oscar. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > Rebuilding NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452703#452703 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine mount bolt lengths From: "Charles N. Campbell" Sorry about that; I must have been thinking about my trailer when I used the term "hitch". Mentally convert that word to "mount". C On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Charles N. Campbell < charlescampbell1924@gmail.com> wrote: > Do any of you Piet drivers having a Corvair-powered airplane remember the > length of bolt required for mounting the engine to the hitch using the > "Energy Suspension End Link Bushings" that William W. recommends? Chuck > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:16 AM PST US From: "Jack Philips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements Hard to see how the ailerons could make much noise against the wing =93 the stick hits my knee long before the ailerons reach full deflection. The FAA generally wants to see control stops on all controls. I put small blocks of wood under the aileron horn on the torque tube for that purpose (the stick still hits my knee before the horn reaches the stop). I added elevator stops on the elevator bellcrank in the fuselage to limit the elevator movement. It still has far more elevator travel than you would ever need in flight. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles N. Campbell Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements I remember a post of a few years ago where one Piet owner put small blocks of wood on the floor (under the ends of the aileron activator) to limit the travel of the ailerons. He(she) complained that the sound the ailerons made hitting the wing at full down deflection bothered her(him). (I have forgotten whether it was a male of female who made the entry.) So I gather from that post that the aileron travel is sufficient at full throw of the stick. Chuck On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:20 AM, tonyp51qa > wrote: > I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I am concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft {elevator}. And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know how much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet is built per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together has caused a lesser movement going to the left.{this control rod hits the seat back "V" cutout} This limits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My control stick also hits the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 plus degrees. At present I do not have any cables installed yet. Thank You! Tony -------- Tony Crawford Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656 br> fts!) r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:42 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements Chris, Thanks. My Sonex is measured from the top of the wing as level (neutral) starting point. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Feb 7, 2016, at 7:51 PM, CatDesigns wrote: > > > Ray > > I believe it is measured at the bottom of the trailing edge with the aileron > level with the bottom of the wing, i.e. in the neutral position. Then > measure the angle (at the trailing edge) at full up or down. > > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestcoastPiet.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 6:50 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements > > --> > > Chris, > > Is the angle measured from the top of the wing as "level"? > > Thanks, > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 7, 2016, at 3:53 PM, CatDesigns wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Does this discussion help? >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416457 >> >> The deflections mentioned sound about right. Somewhere I have another >> sketch of the deflections but I can't find it right now. >> >> Chris >> Sacramento, CA >> WestcoastPiet.com >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> tonyp51qa >> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 4:21 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements >> >> --> >> >> I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I >> am concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft > {elevator}. >> And especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of >> deflection of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know >> how much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet >> is built per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together >> has caused a lesser movement going to the left.{this control rod hits the > seat back "V" >> cutout} This limits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My >> control stick also hits the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 >> plus degrees. At present I do not have any cables installed yet. Thank > You! >> >> Tony >> >> -------- >> Tony Crawford >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:33 AM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Movements Full throw of the stick (left/right) can be greatly limited by the size (fat ness) of the pilots legs and the position of the stick (forward/back). I wan t to measure to see how much aileron movement I get with various positions o f the stick. But I'm sure, with so many Piets flying with the same setup, it will be adequate. Full aileron deflection may never be needed. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Feb 8, 2016, at 7:27 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: > > I remember a post of a few years ago where one Piet owner put small blocks of wood on the floor (under the ends of the aileron activator) to limit the travel of the ailerons. He(she) complained that the sound the ailerons mad e hitting the wing at full down deflection bothered her(him). (I have forgo tten whether it was a male of female who made the entry.) So I gather from t hat post that the aileron travel is sufficient at full throw of the stick. C huck > >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:20 AM, tonyp51qa wrote: >> >> I have the torque tube, control sticks and the rudder bar installed. I am concerned with the movement of my {PILOTS} stick fore and aft {elevator}. A nd especially left and right{ailerons}. I need to know the degree of deflect ion of elevator in degrees [up and down]. I also need to know how much stick deflection is needed to move my ailerons. Since my Piet is built per plans, the control rod that ties the two sticks together has caused a lesser movem ent going to the left.{this control rod hits the seat back "V" cutout} This l imits the stick deflection going fully to the left}. My control stick also h its the seat back at 24 degrees and goes back 30 plus degrees. At present I d o not have any cables installed yet. Thank You! >> >> Tony >> >> -------- >> Tony Crawford >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452656#452656 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> br> fts!) >> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.builde rsbooks.com >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ========== >> br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n >> ========== > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ordering metal From: "Pocono John" Hello.I'm going to attempt to order metal for all the fittings, brackets, hinges, control horns, etc. I see .080, 12 ga, 13 ga and 22 ga in the plans. Are there any sizes I missed? Any advice as to size of the sheets? Thank you. John PS I packed the project last spring as we moved. Just getting started again. I have a heated over-sized (BIG) two car garage just for the project. House has attached two car garage. Yippee! -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452713#452713 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol on floats ? From: "piperj3" Thanks guys ill try to reach him. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452719#452719 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control Stick Movements From: "taildrags" I'm going to agree with the others here... you may never consciously hit the extreme limits of your control stick travel. Thinking back though, I may have done it a couple of times. I can recall practicing power-off stalls at altitude, and holding full aft stick while wearing summer clothing (no bulky jacket), I was surprised that after repeated attempts I could not get the nose to break sharply and drop if I eased up to the stall. It would come up, bob, sink rate would go up, then it would just dip to get a little air over the wings and then repeat the cycle. In a sharper and intentionally rapid stall maneuver, I wouldn't try it but in a slow approach to full nose-up, I could hold the stick full back in the bobbing cycle as altitude was rapidly lost and airspeed stayed in the 30s or low 40s. I'm quite sure I've never had the stick full forward!!! I have no desire to set a new world's record for elapsed time from cruise to Vne in a homebuilt, but the Air Camper would sure be willing to try if you hit the forward stop! The time I think I've hit the aileron stops was in short-field slips to a landing on grass. Back at San Geronimo, I would come in just a tad high on final so I could get over the trees at the approach end of the field, then kick it over into a hard slip to get in where I could use all the grass. I think I have felt the stop once or twice in that configuration, but I could also be imagining it because in that configuration the stick is well into your thigh. I have a 32" waist and weigh about 160, not a lot of meat on my thighs, but if you're not slight of build the insides of your thighs will serve nicely as stick stops in roll. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452721#452721 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 36 - San Marcos, TX, 1-3 April 2016 From: "taildrags" Folks, you will not find better, nicer, or more Pietenpol-y people than Kevin and Shelley, hosts of this event. I highly recommend this upcoming Corvair College (with or without 'corviar on crackers') if you have any leanings towards building a Piet, building a Corvair to power a Piet, or building your own engine for any kind of a homebuilt aircraft. The experience will be one that you will remember whether you ever build an engine or airplane or not. Highly recommended. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452722#452722 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.