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1. 08:23 AM - Re: Ordering metal (taildrags)
2. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Ordering metal (Charles N. Campbell)
3. 02:34 PM - Re: Ordering metal (Lorenzo)
4. 03:18 PM - Re: Ordering metal (wheelharp)
5. 05:37 PM - Re: Ordering metal (Pocono John)
6. 06:27 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/10/16 (Donald Lane)
7. 06:32 PM - Allen James Pietenpol Diplomat from across the pond (Matt Naiva)
8. 07:19 PM - Re: Re: Ordering metal (Clif Dawson)
9. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: Ordering metal (Ray Krause)
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Subject: | Re: Ordering metal |
John;
Many people have mentioned this over the years but I'll repeat it: some of the
metal fittings on the Air Camper can benefit by being made a little bit longer
and you would do well to study photos (Westcoastpiet is a great place to see
lots of photos). I'll give you two quick examples. First, the wing lift strut
attach fittings on the wing spars, where they protrude out the bottom of the
wing, end up with the strut mounting holes so close to the fabric that you can't
get a ratchet or a box-end ratcheting wrench on them. Tightening the bolts
becomes a flat-by-flat exercise using two open-end wrenches. Lengthening the
fittings just a little bit would really help. Next, down at the landing gear/lift
strut attach fittings at the bottom of the fuselage, the lift struts are
typically attached to the fittings using adjustable fork ends. The bolt that
holds the fork end to the attach fitting is a stubby AN5- or -6 bolt (I don't
remember which), and it has to go in at an angle. If you build everything per
plans, it's very difficult to insert that bolt as it should be (with the head
up) because the bolt contacts the lower longeron and fabric.
If you don't have Mike Cuy's excellent build-and-fly video, by all means get a
copy! Mike does a very thorough walk-around of his airplane and points out some
of the spots where the fittings should be made a little longer to make installation
of the hardware less of a pain. The video is great rainy day viewing,
too.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Ordering metal |
Now you tell me. Fooey on it. I'll just run the bolts upside down. The
nuts are not coming off anyway! C
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:23 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> John;
>
> Many people have mentioned this over the years but I'll repeat it: some of
> the metal fittings on the Air Camper can benefit by being made a little bit
> longer and you would do well to study photos (Westcoastpiet is a great
> place to see lots of photos). I'll give you two quick examples. First,
> the wing lift strut attach fittings on the wing spars, where they protrude
> out the bottom of the wing, end up with the strut mounting holes so close
> to the fabric that you can't get a ratchet or a box-end ratcheting wrench
> on them. Tightening the bolts becomes a flat-by-flat exercise using two
> open-end wrenches. Lengthening the fittings just a little bit would really
> help. Next, down at the landing gear/lift strut attach fittings at the
> bottom of the fuselage, the lift struts are typically attached to the
> fittings using adjustable fork ends. The bolt that holds the fork end to
> the attach fitting is a stubby AN5- or -6 bolt (I don't remember which),
> and it has to go in at an angle. !
> If you build everything per plans, it's very difficult to insert that
> bolt as it should be (with the head up) because the bolt contacts the lower
> longeron and fabric.
>
> If you don't have Mike Cuy's excellent build-and-fly video, by all means
> get a copy! Mike does a very thorough walk-around of his airplane and
> points out some of the spots where the fittings should be made a little
> longer to make installation of the hardware less of a pain. The video is
> great rainy day viewing, too.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452766#452766
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Subject: | Re: Ordering metal |
I tried to get a copy of Mike Cuy's video a couple of years ago, but he wasn't
making them any more. If anyone has a copy they would send/sell to me, please
let me know. I'd still like to watch it.
Lorenzo
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Subject: | Re: Ordering metal |
I'd like to see it too....maybe if Mike doesn't want to mess with making them,
he could allow someone to make copies and send him the money for them. What would
be really cool is a digital download.
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Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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Subject: | Re: Ordering metal |
Thank you Oscar! I'll remember what you wrote and add it to my notes. As far as
the Mike Cuy video, I'll have to search for that. As far as photos, I've been
compiling photos from all over as they help. I'm making sure to upload plenty
of photos to my own site not only to document it, but maybe the photos will help
others. Thanks again!
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John
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Subject: | RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/10/16 |
That is odd because you do have the right email address . Phyllis
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:19 AM - Re: Ordering metal (bdewenter)
2. 06:21 AM - Re: Engine mount bolt lengths (bdewenter)
3. 07:59 AM - Re: Ordering metal (Pocono John)
4. 02:43 PM - Re: Ordering metal (tools)
5. 02:57 PM - Re: Ordering metal (Pocono John)
6. 03:32 PM - Re: Ordering metal (tools)
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Time: 06:19:01 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ordering metal
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com>
John,
MANY of the fittings can be made from "strip steel" in various gauges,
widths and lengths. You can cut these up with a simple hack saw (with the
BEST blades money can buy) very quickly.
Obviously the larger metal fitting need to come from sheet. Consider
getting your larger parts water jet cut.
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine mount bolt lengths
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse@woh.rr.com>
Page 192 of the manual states AN6-36 and in the instructions for the motor
mount state AN6-36
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ordering metal
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
Thanks Bob. The plans don't mention (or I missed it) what type steel. Do
builders use 4130, something else, or steel bought locally (like Tractor
Supply)?
I have a metal cutting band saw and I can drill and ream holes. The one
company for water jet is priceywill see about it when the time comes.
I found a great page on the website "Pete's Pietenpol" that listed in detail
the metal parts required. I'll use that to make a shopping list.
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John
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ordering metal
From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Yep, you want 4130 for everything. I think the plans mention1020 or
something, so 4130 isn't "necessary", but is widely accepted as the way to
go.
If you have a metal cutting contour saw, vertical, water jetting isn't
necessary, just a matter of time vs money. With nothing but a hacksaw...
Ya, probably a little higher on the priority list!
The only real advice I have to add is to really consider the holes. If a
hole is to be matched up with another part, sometimes wise to drill both at
once, or use one part to locate the matching hole. It's possible you will
save some frustration by trying your best to visualize those sorts of
situations and planning ahead.
Generally, it's a pretty straight forward job!
Tools
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ordering metal
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion@yahoo.com>
Thanks Tools! Previous to this project, I made all the brackets for a Hatz
Classic and doubled the parts for drilling/reaming. After all that, realized
I'd rather have a plane in a few years instead of 12 or moreso Hatz will be
my retirement project.
OK, I'll get more 4130. Thanks again!
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John
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ordering metal
From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
I didn't build my Piet, but have done extensive work on it. I'm now working
on (extensive repairs) a starduster too... WOW! Probably ten times the
parts?
Practically ALL of them more complicated than anything on a Piet! I
definitely see where you're coming from!
Tools
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Subject: | Allen James Pietenpol Diplomat from across the pond |
I have always admired the workmanship from afar on G-BUCO.
I believe the cowl and paint were borrowed from the Parnall Elf and suite
the Pietenpol well.
I just found this video interview of the English Pietenpol statesmen.
https://player.vimeo.com/video/109686038
I hope all who have not seen it enjoy it! I would like to meet Allen James
one day.
Matt
REF
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091/5474456519_e4ebdafa6c.jpg
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/G-BUCO%20Pictures/images/Pietenpol.air.camper.g-buco.arp.jpg
My favorite Iconic image!
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g77/krazy-eyes/Master-Walker-copy.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Ordering metal |
You'll be in good company. As in F86 Saber.
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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ordering metal
Now you tell me. Fooey on it. I'll just run the bolts upside down.
The nuts are not coming off anyway! C
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:23 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
wrote:
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
John;
Many people have mentioned this over the years but I'll repeat it:
some of the metal fittings on the Air Camper can benefit by being made a
little bit longer and you would do well to study photos (Westcoastpiet
is a great place to see lots of photos). I'll give you two quick
examples. First, the wing lift strut attach fittings on the wing spars,
where they protrude out the bottom of the wing, end up with the strut
mounting holes so close to the fabric that you can't get a ratchet or a
box-end ratcheting wrench on them. Tightening the bolts becomes a
flat-by-flat exercise using two open-end wrenches. Lengthening the
fittings just a little bit would really help. Next, down at the landing
gear/lift strut attach fittings at the bottom of the fuselage, the lift
struts are typically attached to the fittings using adjustable fork
ends. The bolt that holds the fork end to the attach fitting is a
stubby AN5- or -6 bolt (I don't remember which), and it has to go in at
an angle. !
If you build everything per plans, it's very difficult to insert
that bolt as it should be (with the head up) because the bolt contacts
the lower longeron and fabric.
If you don't have Mike Cuy's excellent build-and-fly video, by all
means get a copy! Mike does a very thorough walk-around of his airplane
and points out some of the spots where the fittings should be made a
little longer to make installation of the hardware less of a pain. The
video is great rainy day viewing, too.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Ordering metal |
I put the bolts in the bottom strut fitting upside down and just used castel
lated nuts and cotter pins, I'm pretty sure the nuts won't come off!
Ray Krause
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> On Feb 11, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Charles N. Campbell <charlescampbell1924@gma
il.com> wrote:
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> Now you tell me. Fooey on it. I'll just run the bolts upside down. The n
uts are not coming off anyway! C
>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:23 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote
:
>>
>> John;
>>
>> Many people have mentioned this over the years but I'll repeat it: some o
f the metal fittings on the Air Camper can benefit by being made a little bi
t longer and you would do well to study photos (Westcoastpiet is a great pla
ce to see lots of photos). I'll give you two quick examples. First, the wi
ng lift strut attach fittings on the wing spars, where they protrude out the
bottom of the wing, end up with the strut mounting holes so close to the fa
bric that you can't get a ratchet or a box-end ratcheting wrench on them. T
ightening the bolts becomes a flat-by-flat exercise using two open-end wrenc
hes. Lengthening the fittings just a little bit would really help. Next, d
own at the landing gear/lift strut attach fittings at the bottom of the fuse
lage, the lift struts are typically attached to the fittings using adjustabl
e fork ends. The bolt that holds the fork end to the attach fitting is a st
ubby AN5- or -6 bolt (I don't remember which), and it has to go in at an ang
le. !
>> If you build everything per plans, it's very difficult to insert that b
olt as it should be (with the head up) because the bolt contacts the lower l
ongeron and fabric.
>>
>> If you don't have Mike Cuy's excellent build-and-fly video, by all means g
et a copy! Mike does a very thorough walk-around of his airplane and points
out some of the spots where the fittings should be made a little longer to m
ake installation of the hardware less of a pain. The video is great rainy d
ay viewing, too.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452766#452766
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