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Wed 03/09/16


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 10:01 AM - Pauls Piet Build (nightmare)
     2. 10:46 AM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (Dave'sPiet)
     3. 10:48 AM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (Dave Abramson)
     4. 01:51 PM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (AircamperN11MS)
     5. 01:52 PM - Dick Navratil BPA Newsletter (Boatright, Jeffrey)
     6. 02:19 PM - Re: Dick Navratil BPA Newsletter (Jack)
     7. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: welding 4130 hinges (George Abernathy)
     8. 03:53 PM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (nightmare)
     9. 05:19 PM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (goffelectric@comcast.net)
    10. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: Pauls Piet Build (Ray Krause)
    11. 07:28 PM - Re: Dick Navratil BPA Newsletter (Ray Krause)
 
 
 


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    Time: 10:01:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Pauls Piet Build
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Hello all: i havent been very active on the forum or my piet build over the past year . drama on the home front. but what little time i get to work on the plane is always enjoyable and therapeutic. I hesitate posting pics because of the "why in the world would you do that" type of questions. I am definitely straying from the plans and doing it my way. i apologize to any purists out there. Im going for a 30's vintage racer look, and although im building a steel tube piet i am more than making up for it with the teak and holly veneer. Ive always wanted to build an old wooden boat now i can kind of check that box off too. To help give me the piet racer look (calling her Super Piet), i lowered the wing about 1.5 inches, made very wide fairings for my struts and also rerouted the aileron cables within the aft cabane strut fairings. ill also be fabricating a streamlined pressure cowling with a very large spinner. she'll atleast look fast. the center section is a bit wider. wanted a slightly larger fuel tank up there, plus i made a very wide flop/flap. the wide center section and flop allow me to access the cockpit by standing up within the flop space then steping in. while i was making the flop i got the idea on the flap. it has a 5 and 10 degree setting. very simple handle on trailing edge to move it up and down. not expecting much out of it. if nothing else, will still be useful as a flop. the front door will make entry there doable even with the lower wing. also made a plug for the front cockpit when flying solo. adding 2 or 3 feet to the wingspan. the top of the fuselage (teak and holy) is built in 3 pieces. turtle deck, rear cockpit and front cockpit/baggage compartment. for inspection purposes, those 3 sections are easily removed after unscrewing the numerous stainless screws along the sides. a few other things, but thats plenty for now. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453604#453604 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160115_145847_448.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160305_190551_881.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160307_085947_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160307_085912_182.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160307_085912_123.jpg


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    Time: 10:46:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pauls Piet Build
    From: "Dave'sPiet" <helicfii@yahoo.com>
    That is some very nice craftsmanship... I'm curious- what engine do you plan on running? The wood fairings on the cabanes is something I have not seen before- could you post more pictures of your process with those? I really like them. David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453605#453605


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    Time: 10:48:38 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
    Subject: Pauls Piet Build
    Hi Paul! I was thinking of doing a "racer" type as well.. was thinking to mount my wing even LOWER! Like just below eye level! I would like to see your wing height... davea@symbolicdisplays.com Thanks! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pauls Piet Build <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> Hello all: i havent been very active on the forum or my piet build over the past year . drama on the home front. but what little time i get to work on the plane is always enjoyable and therapeutic. I hesitate posting pics because of the "why in the world would you do that" type of questions. I am definitely straying from the plans and doing it my way. i apologize to any purists out there. Im going for a 30's vintage racer look, and although im building a steel tube piet i am more than making up for it with the teak and holly veneer. Ive always wanted to build an old wooden boat now i can kind of check that box off too. To help give me the piet racer look (calling her Super Piet), i lowered the wing about 1.5 inches, made very wide fairings for my struts and also rerouted the aileron cables within the aft cabane strut fairings. ill also be fabricating a streamlined pressure cowling with a very large spinner. she'll atleast look fast. the center section is a bit wider. wan! ted a slightly larger fuel tank up there, plus i made a very wide flop/flap. the wide center section and flop allow me to access the cockpit by standing up within the flop space then steping in. while i was making the flop i got the idea on the flap. it has a 5 and 10 degree setting. very simple handle on trailing edge to move it up and down. not expecting much out of it. if nothing else, will still be useful as a flop. the front door will make entry there doable even with the lower wing. also made a plug for the front cockpit when flying solo. adding 2 or 3 feet to the wingspan. the top of the fuselage (teak and holy) is built in 3 pieces. turtle deck, rear cockpit and front cockpit/baggage compartment. for inspection purposes, those 3 sections are easily removed after unscrewing the numerous stainless screws along the sides. a few other things, but thats plenty for now. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453604#453604 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160115_145847_448.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160305_190551_881.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160307_085947_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160307_085912_182.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160307_085912_123.jpg


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    Time: 01:51:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pauls Piet Build
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    I like it. Can't wait to see more. It reminds me of the Corbin Ace I like so much. Do the red seat belts give away your interior color choice? The old outrigger landing gear would look really cool too. Or tall thin tires with large wheel pants like the old racers had. You opened up a whole bunch of ideas. Just amazing Paul. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453607#453607


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    Time: 01:52:13 PM PST US
    From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright@emory.edu>
    Subject: Dick Navratil BPA Newsletter
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    Time: 02:19:16 PM PST US
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Re: Dick Navratil BPA Newsletter
    Jeff was the newsletter via email or mail I have not received it. Would cert ainly like to get it ASAP John if you can please email, thanks so much bye. Jack Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 9, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey <jeffboatright@emory.edu> w rote: > > Hi John, > > Great issue of the BPA Newsletter, and fine tribute to Dick. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments).


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    Time: 03:46:19 PM PST US
    From: George Abernathy <avionixoz@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: welding 4130 hinges
    I see that you are able to weld other steel with no problem. Are you. Using 4130 rod on the other steel? I ask this because it is possible to get bad metal.Or bad rod.


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    Time: 03:53:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pauls Piet Build
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    thanks guys. Scott. i was considering the outrigger gear but will be going a different route. but i do have a somewhat different wheel fairing design in mind. couple of other slightly different ideas as well. the wing height is 1 inch lower but appears to be 2.25 inches lower because of the curvature of the wood fuselage begins 1.25 above the longeron. running a fire breathing Corvair of course! the fairing is attached in 3 points along trailing edge of strut. welded a tab on back side of strut that a block of wood is screwed to so the fairing has something to screw in to. the blocks on the aft cabane struts double as fairleads for the aileron cables. its not the perfect aerodynamic shape. im sure it can be done better. ive got some better stainless steel screws on the way. will make it a little more flush. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453613#453613 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160309_180219_124.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160309_180124_201.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160309_175839_178.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160309_175831_557.jpg


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    Time: 05:19:54 PM PST US
    From: goffelectric@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Pauls Piet Build
    Paul, =C2- That's absolutely beautiful! I'm glad your still at it. =C2- Keith Goff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 1:48:08 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pauls Piet Build ys.com> Hi Paul! I was thinking of doing a "racer" type as well.. was thinking to mount my wing even LOWER! =C2- Like just below eye level! I would like to see your wing height... davea@symbolicdisplays.com Thanks! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pauls Piet Build <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> Hello all: i havent been very active on the forum or my piet build over the past year . drama on the home front. but what little time i get to work on the plane is always enjoyable and therapeutic. I hesitate posting pics because of the "why in the world would you do that" type of questions. I am definitely straying from the plans and doing it my way. i apologize to any purists out there. =C2-Im going for a 30's vintage racer look, =C2-and although im building a steel tube piet i am more than making up for it with the teak an d holly veneer. Ive always wanted to build an old wooden boat now i can kind of check that box off too. =C2-To help give me the piet racer look (calli ng her Super Piet), i lowered the wing about 1.5 inches, made very wide fairings for my struts and also rerouted the aileron cables within the aft cabane strut fairings. ill also be fabricating a streamlined pressure cowling with a very large spinner. she'll atleast look fast. =C2-the center section is a bit wider. wan! =C2-ted a slightly larger fuel tank up there, plus i made a very wide flop/flap. the wide center section and flop allow me to access the cockpit by standing up within the flop space then steping in. while i was making th e flop i got the idea on the flap. it has a 5 and 10 degree setting. very simple handle on trailing edge to move it up and down. =C2-not expecting much out of it. if nothing else, will still be useful as a flop. the front door will make entry there doable even with the lower wing. also made a plug for the front cockpit when flying solo. adding 2 or 3 feet to the wingspan. the top of the fuselage (teak and holy) is built in 3 pieces. turtle deck, rear cockpit and front cockpit/baggage compartment. for inspection purposes, those 3 sections are easily removed after unscrewing the numerous stainless screws along the sides. a few other things, but thats plenty for now. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453604#453604 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160115_145847_448.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160305_190551_881.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160307_085947_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160307_085912_182.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20160307_085912_123.jpg =========== =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. ===========


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    Time: 07:25:46 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Pauls Piet Build
    The woodwork is just absolutely amazing! Wish I had the skills and patience that Paul has. I really like the cabane struts and the wide center section, very "rakish" , speedy looking. Thanks for sharing, Ray Krause Building a SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:51 PM, AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote: > > > I like it. Can't wait to see more. It reminds me of the Corbin Ace I like so much. Do the red seat belts give away your interior color choice? The old outrigger landing gear would look really cool too. Or tall thin tires with large wheel pants like the old racers had. You opened up a whole bunch of ideas. > > Just amazing Paul. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453607#453607 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:28:03 PM PST US
    From: Ray Krause <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Dick Navratil BPA Newsletter
    John, Did you ever find out if my subscription is still in effect? Receiving it vi a email would be just fine, Thanks, Ray Krause 843 Jay Street Colusa, CA 95932 Sent from my iPad > On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey <jeffboatright@emory.edu> w rote: > > Hi John, > > Great issue of the BPA Newsletter, and fine tribute to Dick. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments).




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