---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/25/16: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:46 AM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (jarheadpilot82) 2. 07:24 AM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (nightmare) 3. 07:27 AM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (jarheadpilot82) 4. 09:09 AM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (taildrags) 5. 09:32 AM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (AircamperN11MS) 6. 01:57 PM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (nightmare) 7. 02:13 PM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (AircamperN11MS) 8. 05:36 PM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (nightmare) 9. 06:11 PM - Re: Re: Pauls Piet Build (Ray Krause) 10. 08:32 PM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (AircamperN11MS) 11. 08:38 PM - Re: Pauls Piet Build (AircamperN11MS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "jarheadpilot82" Paul, Nice work. The only question I have is about vertical stab offset. Here is a link to an earlier discussion of the topic, so you will understand what I am getting at- http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=92890&highlight=vertoffset It appears that you may have some offset already built in, but you do not have the ability to adjust your vertical stabilizer (see screenshot). Did you already put in some offset, and, if so, how much? How do you plan to adjust it if it is too much/not enough? Like I said, really nice work. Just that question. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454120#454120 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2016_03_25_at_92524_am_965.png ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "nightmare" Hey Terry. its about 3/4 offset I think. there is about 1/4 inch additional wiggle room. need to break out the sander if even more is required. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454123#454123 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "jarheadpilot82" Paul, Thanks for the explanation. Your woodworking skills make me look like piker. I think you are the cabinet maker on the job site and I am just the framer's assistant, not even the framer. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454125#454125 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "taildrags" Scott: nice little sketch of how to do the run-around loop. If a builder installs a belly access panel like Corky did on 41CC, and if the run-around loop is run either behind the pilot's seat or just aft of the belly panel, it will make inspection and installation of the run-around cable and pulleys much easier. I know the panel really helps when working on or inspecting the elevator bellcrank back there. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454131#454131 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "AircamperN11MS" Oscar, All your points are good ones too. Easy access is always a good thing. Especially if you can't see it from the top or sides of the plane. Thank you, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454132#454132 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "nightmare" thanks Terry. Scott , im definitely installing a turnaround pulley but was just curious, where is the weak link in the control horn? does it end up bending down because of the angle the the cable is pulling on it? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454146#454146 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "AircamperN11MS" Paul, I have seen it bend similar to your description and I have seen the spar where it is attached incur damage as well. The french valley piet received damage after they converted to rudder peddles. When I made the first flight on that plan it had a rudder bar. Those guys made a heavier control horn to replace the bent one. I think the cable is the best and easiest way to prevent damage. On a side note. I have 4130 steel tail surfaces and rudder peddles without any balance cable. Mine has been fine for 44 years now. No brakes to push on either. The wood structure is what concerns me when looking at peoples projects. BTW, I am an EAA Tech Counselor. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454147#454147 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "nightmare" thanks Scott. I was just curious. I definitely don't want to take a chance on that. I believe I found an easy way to incorporate a couple of pulleys behind the aft seat. thank you for mentioning it. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454157#454157 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:36 PM PST US From: Ray Krause Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build Scott, Since you have no brakes, how do you do a run up? Do you use the "Whoa Stick" regularly? How is it anchored to the fuselage? You have a steel tube fuselage, right? Guess the would make the "Whoa Stick" easier to install. I have installed brakes, but they are just 6" Azusa drum brakes that "might" hold the 19" wheels for a modest runup? To be seen. Lots of questions! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:13 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > Paul, > > I have seen it bend similar to your description and I have seen the spar where it is attached incur damage as well. The french valley piet received damage after they converted to rudder peddles. When I made the first flight on that plan it had a rudder bar. Those guys made a heavier control horn to replace the bent one. I think the cable is the best and easiest way to prevent damage. > > On a side note. I have 4130 steel tail surfaces and rudder peddles without any balance cable. Mine has been fine for 44 years now. No brakes to push on either. > > The wood structure is what concerns me when looking at peoples projects. > > BTW, I am an EAA Tech Counselor. > > Cheers, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454147#454147 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "AircamperN11MS" Ray, Let's see, I rarely use the Whoa Stick. Only if the wind is blowing me somewhere I don't want to be. I will check my mags during taxi although I can hold the plane with the Whoa Stick for a 1200RPM run up. I keep the air pressure very low in my tires to help slow me after landing and during taxi. Ever try to push a car with flat tires? The stick is attached to the torque tube for my elevator controls. I will show you how the stick is attached in June. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454164#454164 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pauls Piet Build From: "AircamperN11MS" Your welcome Paul. I like that we all help each other. It keeps us safe and hopefully prevents doing the work more than one time. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454165#454165 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.